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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Well today, I got up enough courage to put in12 qts if mineral oil and 

push N519PJ up on the scales. I figured with the 'mods' that she might 

be a bit on the portly side, sort of expected something in the 

neighborhood of 1700lbs.   The only thing she lacks is some carpet. 

Well,  the number turned out to be 1772 ! A bit more than I was 

expecting, but I remembered that we had 40 + lbs of air in each tire, 

...... so I let out 15 lbs out of each tire, so she should only weigh 

1737 now. (that makes me feel slightly better),  I'm not sure how many 

lbs I have in the O2 tank, but when I get a guage on it, I figure there 

should be 1000lbs or more, so I'll just bleed off enough to get her down 

to her fighting weight.

Deems #406

it's all done, ......gonna light the fire soon.

http://deemsrv10.com/

dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Deems,

I feel somewhat relieved that my 1769 lbs. (WITH carpet) has been  

bested! However, if your 1772 is with paint, I may still own the most  

portly 540 powered -10. I have not weighed mine since paint, but the  

paint shop told me that they estimated 25-30 lbs.



Best regards,

David Maib

40559



On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Deems Davis wrote:






Well today, I got up enough courage to put in12 qts if mineral oil  

and push N519PJ up on the scales. I figured with the 'mods' that she  

might be a bit on the portly side, sort of expected something in the  

neighborhood of 1700lbs.   The only thing she lacks is some carpet.  

Well,  the number turned out to be 1772 ! A bit more than I was  

expecting, but I remembered that we had 40 + lbs of air in each  

tire, ....... so I let out 15 lbs out of each tire, so she should  

only weigh 1737 now. (that makes me feel slightly better),  I'm not  

sure how many lbs I have in the O2 tank, but when I get a guage on  

it, I figure there should be 1000lbs or more, so I'll just bleed off  

enough to get her down to her fighting weight.

Deems #406

it's all done, ......gonna light the fire soon.

http://deemsrv10.com/

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Deems,

	You can consider "9PJ" to have one of the largest payloads of

any 3 place RV built to date.

	BTW I am right there with you ~1700# before paint, interior.

	Looking forward to your start. That engine/exhaust combination

is quite motivating.



Robin 

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Can you take any weight out of the pilot?

On Feb 23, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Deems Davis wrote:



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 Well today, I got up enough courage to put in12 qts if mineral oil  

 and push N519PJ up on the scales. I figured with the 'mods' that  

 she might be a bit on the portly side, sort of expected something  

 in the neighborhood of 1700lbs.   The only thing she lacks is some  

 carpet. Well,  the number turned out to be 1772 ! A bit more than I  

 was expecting, but I remembered that we had 40 + lbs of air in each  

 tire, ....... so I let out 15 lbs out of each tire, so she should  

 only weigh 1737 now. (that makes me feel slightly better),  I'm not  

 sure how many lbs I have in the O2 tank, but when I get a guage on  

 it, I figure there should be 1000lbs or more, so I'll just bleed  

 off enough to get her down to her fighting weight.

 Deems #406

 it's all done, ......gonna light the fire soon.

 http://deemsrv10.com/

dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

 

I wish I could take some weight out of this pilot!



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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

That's cruel....I say Deems and I come over and take some weight outta you!!! 



Rick S.

40185

Paint in the works..

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

A couple of weeks ago I was called a Cirrus by the RYN tower but I did not

qualify. I wasn't heavy enough. The DVT tower is going to begin mistaking

you for an SR22. 



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Now THERE you go....when you're flying into North Las Vegas, just

call in as "Cirrus NXXXX".....they'd never recognize the subtle

differences, and then you wouldn't have to worry about banning

experimentals. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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David McNeill wrote:

[quote] 

 

 A couple of weeks ago I was called a Cirrus by the RYN tower but I did not

 qualify. I wasn't heavy enough. The DVT tower is going to begin mistaking

 you for an SR22. 

 

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

I suspect Tim has had far more ATC personnel refer to his plane as a Cirrus, due to the tail number. These days not many ATC are pilots, and you could probably tell them you were a Lancair or Cessna 400 or Comanche, and they wouldn't know the difference.

 

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Now THERE you go....when you're flying into North Las Vegas, just

 call in as "Cirrus NXXXX".....they'd never recognize the subtle

 differences, and then you wouldn't have to worry about banning

 experimentals. 

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive



 

 

 David McNeill wrote:

 [quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>

 

 A couple of weeks ago I was called a Cirrus by the RYN tower but I did not

 qualify. I wasn't heavy enough. The DVT tower is going to begin mistaking

 you for an SR22. 

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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Geeze, you can tell which ones are the American built RV-10's.  HA!  I can make fun.... for now.



Michael



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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

Deems,



I hope you are better at building than math and science.  Any fifth grader knows that since the mains are at the same %MAC, you can only deduct half of the amount of the pounds that you remove from them.  I hate to tell you this, but you are 15lbs heavier than you think.

The good news is that you can easily compensate for that extra 15 by putting just your pilot credentials, EAA card, and AMEX card on board and leaving your wallet at home.



Congrats on finishing.

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Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In



Deems



woxofswa wrote:

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 Deems,



 I hope you are better at building than math and science.  Any fifth grader knows that since the mains are at the same %MAC, you can only deduct half of the amount of the pounds that you remove from them.  I hate to tell you this, but you are 15lbs heavier than you think.

 The good news is that you easily compensate for that extra 15 by putting just your EAA card and your favorite AMEX card on board and leaving your wallet at home.



 Congrats on finishing.



 --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress





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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 10's were set to be weighed... mine last Sat, and Deems' yesterday.  Anyway, since he made his public, I guess I should, in case someone is tracking this info.  Weigh in included all upholstery, all carpet, balanced wheel pants, and the following painted;  interior, wheel pants, gear leg fairings, and hs/vs fairing.

N414DM     Left=639, Right=627, Nose=369....... Total = 1635



Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators  (Sacramento).

As you can see, sorry about the large pics, we had over 25 RV's fly in and about 60 people, as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport already, no need to fly in.  I guess I did a decent job because I was only made aware of one potential problem, and it's fixed already.

How about the 3 10's lined up?



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Very cool Don,



Everyone should make note of Don's last photo...he weighed

the plane with the scales on the rear wheels blocked up

a couple extra inches.  You want to make sure to do your

weight and balance with the airplane level in both

directions, and the fore/aft level line is along

the longerons that run along the aircraft under the door

area.  If you don't have the rear wheels elevated above

the nose, your C.G. measure will be off quite a bit.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



partner14 wrote:

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 Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 10's were set to be weighed... mine last Sat, and Deems' yesterday.  Anyway, since he made his public, I guess I should, in case someone is tracking this info.  Weigh in included all upholstery, all carpet, balanced wheel pants, and the following painted;  interior, wheel pants, gear leg fairings, and hs/vs fairing.

 N414DM     Left=639, Right=627, Nose=369....... Total = 1635

 

 Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators  (Sacramento).

 As you can see, sorry about the large pics, we had over 25 RV's fly in and about 60 people, as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport already, no need to fly in.  I guess I did a decent job because I was only made aware of one potential problem, and it's fixed already.

 How about the 3 10's lined up?

 

 Don McDonald

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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Tim C

 If I understand this correctly C the level should be put on the longerons that form the door sills? Is that correct? Thanks

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Date: Wed C 25 Feb 2009 08:58:19 -0600

 From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 

 Very cool Don C

 

 Everyone should make note of Don's last photo...he weighed

 the plane with the scales on the rear wheels blocked up

 a couple extra inches. You want to make sure to do your

 weight and balance with the airplane level in both

 directions C and the fore/aft level line is along

 the longerons that run along the aircraft under the door

 area. If you don't have the rear wheels elevated above

 the nose C your C.G. measure will be off quite a bit.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 

 

 

 partner14 wrote:

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: "partner14" <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>

 > 

 > Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 10's were set to be weighed... mine last Sat C and Deems' yesterday. Anyway C since he made his public C I guess I should C in case someone is tracking this info. Weigh in included all upholstery C all carpet C balanced wheel pants C and the following painted; interior C wheel pants C gear leg fairings C and hs/vs fairing.

 > N414DM Left=639 C Right=627 C Nose=369....... Total = 1635

 > 

 > Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators (Sacramento).

 > As you can see C sorry about the large pics C we had over 25 RV's fly in and about 60 people C as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport already C no need to fly in. I guess I did a decent job because I was only made aware of one potential problem C and it's fixed already.

 > How about the 3 10's lined up?

 > 

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 > #40636

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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

I think the longerons that run the full length are a little

lower, aren't they? I may be wrong, but yeah, they're not

far from the door sil.  I do think that the door sil is

parallel to them though, but I never measured it to

be sure.  I just used a long level along that rivet

line for the longeron.   And the same long level across both

door sils for the horizontal.



You'd be surprised how huge a difference it makes if you

don't have things leveled though.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Danny Riggs wrote:

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		   Tim,

 If I understand this correctly, the level should be put on the longerons 

 that form the door sills? Is that correct? Thanks

  

  > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:58:19 -0600

  > From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

  > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

  > Subject: Re: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

  >

  > 

  >

  > Very cool Don,

  >

  > Everyone should make note of Don's last photo...he weighed

  > the plane with the scales on the rear wheels blocked up

  > a couple extra inches. You want to make sure to do your

  > weight and balance with the airplane level in both

  > directions, and the fore/aft level line is along

  > the longerons that run along the aircraft under the door

  > area. If you don't have the rear wheels elevated above

  > the nose, your C.G. measure will be off quite a bit.

  >

  > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

  >

  >

  >

  > partner14 wrote:

  > > 

 <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>

  > >

  > > Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 10's were 

 set to be weighed... mine last Sat, and Deems' yesterday. Anyway, since 

 he made his public, I guess I should, in case someone is tracking this 

 info. Weigh in included all upholstery, all carpet, balanced wheel 

 pants, and the following painted; interior, wheel pants, gear leg 

 fairings, and hs/vs fairing.

  > > N414DM Left=639, Right=627, Nose=369....... Total = 1635

  > >

  > > Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators (Sacramento).

  > > As you can see, sorry about the large pics, we had over 25 RV's fly 

 in and about 60 people, as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport 

 already, no need to fly in. I guess I did a decent job because I was 

 only made aware of one potential problem, and it's fixed already.

  > > How about the 3 10's lined up?

  > >

  > > Don McDonald

  > > #40636

  > >

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  > > 40636

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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

That makes sense. Thanks C Dan

 

[quote] Date: Wed C 25 Feb 2009 10:30:28 -0600

 From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 

 I think the longerons that run the full length are a little

 lower C aren't they? I may be wrong C but yeah C they're not

 far from the door sil. I do think that the door sil is

 parallel to them though C but I never measured it to

 be sure. I just used a long level along that rivet

 line for the longeron. And the same long level across both

 door sils for the horizontal.

 

 You'd be surprised how huge a difference it makes if you

 don't have things leveled though.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 

 

 

 Danny Riggs wrote:

 > Tim C

 > If I understand this correctly C the level should be put on the longerons 

 > that form the door sills? Is that correct? Thanks

 > 

 > > Date: Wed C 25 Feb 2009 08:58:19 -0600

 > > From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

 > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 > > Subject: Re: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

 > >

 > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 > >

 > > Very cool Don C

 > >

 > > Everyone should make note of Don's last photo...he weighed

 > > the plane with the scales on the rear wheels blocked up

 > > a couple extra inches. You want to make sure to do your

 > > weight and balance with the airplane level in both

 > > directions C and the fore/aft level line is along

 > > the longerons that run along the aircraft under the door

 > > area. If you don't have the rear wheels elevated above

 > > the nose C your C.G. measure will be off quite a bit.

 > >

 > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > > partner14 wrote:

 > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "partner14" 

 > <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>

 > > >

 > > > Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 10's were 

 > set to be weighed... mine last Sat C and Deems' yesterday. Anyway C since 

 > he made his public C I guess I should C in case someone is tracking this 

 > info. Weigh in included all upholstery C all carpet C balanced wheel 

 > pants C and the following painted; interior C wheel pants C gear leg 

 > fairings C and hs/vs fairing.

 > > > N414DM Left=639 C Right=627 C Nose=369....... Total = 1635

 > > >

 > > > Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators (Sacramento).

 > > > As you can see C sorry about the large pics C we had over 25 RV's fly 

 > in and about 60 people C as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport 

 > already C no need to fly in. I guess I did a decent job because I was 

 > only made aware of one potential problem C and it's fixed already.

 > > > How about the 3 10's lined up?

 > > >

 > > > Don McDonald

 > > > #40636

 > > >

 > > > --------

 > > > Don A. McDonald

 > > > 40636

 > > >

 > > >

 > > >

 > > >

 > > > Read this topic online here:

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 > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231965#231965

 > > >

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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Use the bottom of the door opening as the level reference.  That is what the plans tell you to use for leveling the airframe.Jim C> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>> > I think the longerons that run the full length are a little> lower, aren't they? I may be wrong, but yeah, they're not> far from the door sil.  I do think that the door sil is> parallel to them though, but I never measured it to> be sure.  I just used a long level along that rivet> line for the longeron.   And the same long level across both> door sils for the horizontal.> > You'd be surprised how huge a difference it makes if you> don't have things leveled though.> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> > > > Danny Riggs wrote:>> Tim,>> If I understand this correctly, the level should be put on the longerons>> that form the door sills? Is that correct? Thanks>>>>  > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:58:19 -0600>>  >From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com>>  > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com>>  > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In>>  >>>  > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>>>  >>>  > Very cool Don,>>  >>>  > Everyone should make note of Don's last photo...he weighed>>  > the plane with the scales on the rear wheels blocked up>>  > a couple extra inches. You want to make sure to do your>>  > weight and balance with the airplane level in both>>  > directions, and the fore/aft level line is along>>  > the longerons that run along the aircraft under the door>>  > area. If you don't have the rear wheels elevated above>>  > the nose, your C.G. measure will be off quite a bit.>>  >>>  > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  > partner14 wrote:>>  > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "partner14">> <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>>>  > >>>  > > Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 10's were>> set to be weighed... mine last Sat, and Deems' yesterday. Anyway, since>> he made his public, I guess I should, in case someone is tracking this>> info. Weigh in included all upholstery, all carpet, balanced wheel>> pants, and the following painted; interior, wheel pants, gear leg>> fairings, and hs/vs fairing.>>  > > N414DM Left=639, Right=627, Nose=369....... Total = 1635>>  > >>>  > > Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators>> (Sacramento).>>  > > As you can see, sorry about the large pics, we had over 25 RV's fly>> in and about 60 people, as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport>> already, no need to fly in. I guess I did a decent job because I was>> only made aware of one potential problem, and it's fixed already.>>  > > How about the 3 10's lined up?>>  > >>>  > > Don McDonald>>  > > #40636>>  > >>>  > > -------->>  > > Don A. McDonald>>  > > 40636>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > > Read this topic online here:>>  > >>>  > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 31965#231965>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > > Attachments:>>  > >>>  > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2797cc_395.jpg>>  > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2792c_125.jpg>>  > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2762c_171.jpg>>  > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p2210036c_110.jpg>>  > >>>  > >>> &======================>>  >============>>  >>>  >>>  >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------>> Windows Live&trade;: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. View>> post.>> <http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!7540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009>>>>>>> *>>>>>> *> > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > >   [quote][b]

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

Thanks Jim/Larry,



I do think that the longeron and door sil are probably both

identical in angle, so this may be a horse-a-piece kind of

deal.  I don't think you'd see any difference, but....



Straight from the RV-10 Weight and Balance section, provided

by Vans:



"Leveling Datum - A point or surface on the airframe where a

level can be placed to determine when the aircraft is in a

level position for weighing.  For the RV-10 the Level Datum

line is the fuselage longeron at the door opening"



So, you guys may well be correct, and probably are, that the

door sil works, but the official word in the RV-10 W&B

procedure section from Van's specifies the longeron.

If anyone is near their plane, maybe you could take a sec

to verify if the door sil is completely parallel to the

longeron or not.  I bet it is.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



jim(at)CombsFive.Com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Use the bottom of the door opening as the level reference.  That is what 

 the plans tell you to use for leveling the airframe.

 

 Jim C

 

  > 

  >

  > I think the longerons that run the full length are a little

  > lower, aren't they? I may be wrong, but yeah, they're not

  > far from the door sil. I do think that the door sil is

  > parallel to them though, but I never measured it to

  > be sure. I just used a long level along that rivet

  > line for the longeron. And the same long level across both

  > door sils for the horizontal.

  >

  > You'd be surprised how huge a difference it makes if you

  > don't have things leveled though.

  >

  > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

  >

  >

  >

  > Danny Riggs wrote:

  >> Tim,

  >> If I understand this correctly, the level should be put on the longerons

  >> that form the door sills? Is that correct? Thanks

  >>

  >> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:58:19 -0600

  >> >

 From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

  >> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

  >> > Subject: Re: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

  >> >

  >> > 

  >> >

  >> > Very cool Don,

  >> >

  >> > Everyone should make note of Don's last photo...he weighed

  >> > the plane with the scales on the rear wheels blocked up

  >> > a couple extra inches. You want to make sure to do your

  >> > weight and balance with the airplane level in both

  >> > directions, and the fore/aft level line is along

  >> > the longerons that run along the aircraft under the door

  >> > area. If you don't have the rear wheels elevated above

  >> > the nose, your C.G. measure will be off quite a bit.

  >> >

  >> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

  >> >

  >> >

  >> >

  >> > partner14 wrote:

  >> > > 

  >> <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>

  >> > >

  >> > > Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 10's were

  >> set to be weighed... mine last Sat, and Deems' yesterday. Anyway, since

  >> he made his public, I guess I should, in case someone is tracking this

  >> info. Weigh in included all upholstery, all carpet, balanced wheel

  >> pants, and the following painted; interior, wheel pants, gear leg

  >> fairings, and hs/vs fairing.

  >> > > N414DM Left=639, Right=627, Nose=369....... Total = 1635

  >> > >

  >> > > Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators

  >> (Sacramento).

  >> > > As you can see, sorry about the large pics, we had over 25 RV's fly

  >> in and about 60 people, as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport

  >> already, no need to fly in. I guess I did a decent job because I was

  >> only made aware of one potential problem, and it's fixed already.

  >> > > How about the 3 10's lined up?

  >> > >

  >> > > Don McDonald

  >> > > #40636

  >> > >

  >> > > --------

  >> > > Don A. McDonald

  >> > > 40636

  >> > >

  >> > >

  >> > >

  >> > >

  >> > > Read this topic online here:

  >> > >

  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 31965#231965

  >> > >

  >> > >

  >> > >

  >> > >

  >> > > Attachments:

  >> > >

  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2797cc_395.jpg

  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2792c_125.jpg

  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2762c_171.jpg

  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p2210036c_110.jpg

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: N519PJ Weigh -In

The door sill sits directly on top of the longeron.  It gives a 

convenient place to set the level. 



Yes a horse-a-piece kind of deal.



Larry



Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Thanks Jim/Larry,



 I do think that the longeron and door sil are probably both

 identical in angle, so this may be a horse-a-piece kind of

 deal.  I don't think you'd see any difference, but....



 Straight from the RV-10 Weight and Balance section, provided

 by Vans:



 "Leveling Datum - A point or surface on the airframe where a

 level can be placed to determine when the aircraft is in a

 level position for weighing.  For the RV-10 the Level Datum

 line is the fuselage longeron at the door opening"



 So, you guys may well be correct, and probably are, that the

 door sil works, but the official word in the RV-10 W&B

 procedure section from Van's specifies the longeron.

 If anyone is near their plane, maybe you could take a sec

 to verify if the door sil is completely parallel to the

 longeron or not.  I bet it is.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



 jim(at)CombsFive.Com wrote:

> Use the bottom of the door opening as the level reference.  That is 

> what the plans tell you to use for leveling the airframe.

>

> Jim C

>

>  > 

>  >

>  > I think the longerons that run the full length are a little

>  > lower, aren't they? I may be wrong, but yeah, they're not

>  > far from the door sil. I do think that the door sil is

>  > parallel to them though, but I never measured it to

>  > be sure. I just used a long level along that rivet

>  > line for the longeron. And the same long level across both

>  > door sils for the horizontal.

>  >

>  > You'd be surprised how huge a difference it makes if you

>  > don't have things leveled though.

>  >

>  > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

>  >

>  >

>  >

>  > Danny Riggs wrote:

>  >> Tim,

>  >> If I understand this correctly, the level should be put on the 

> longerons

>  >> that form the door sills? Is that correct? Thanks

>  >>

>  >> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:58:19 -0600

>  >> >

> From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

>  >> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>  >> > Subject: Re: Re: N519PJ Weigh -In

>  >> >

>  >> > 

>  >> >

>  >> > Very cool Don,

>  >> >

>  >> > Everyone should make note of Don's last photo...he weighed

>  >> > the plane with the scales on the rear wheels blocked up

>  >> > a couple extra inches. You want to make sure to do your

>  >> > weight and balance with the airplane level in both

>  >> > directions, and the fore/aft level line is along

>  >> > the longerons that run along the aircraft under the door

>  >> > area. If you don't have the rear wheels elevated above

>  >> > the nose, your C.G. measure will be off quite a bit.

>  >> >

>  >> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

>  >> >

>  >> >

>  >> >

>  >> > partner14 wrote:

>  >> > > 

>  >> <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>

>  >> > >

>  >> > > Deem's and I had been emailing last week because both our 

> 10's were

>  >> set to be weighed... mine last Sat, and Deems' yesterday. Anyway, 

> since

>  >> he made his public, I guess I should, in case someone is tracking 

> this

>  >> info. Weigh in included all upholstery, all carpet, balanced wheel

>  >> pants, and the following painted; interior, wheel pants, gear leg

>  >> fairings, and hs/vs fairing.

>  >> > > N414DM Left=639, Right=627, Nose=369....... Total = 1635

>  >> > >

>  >> > > Mine was weighed prior to our meeting of the SacRvators

>  >> (Sacramento).

>  >> > > As you can see, sorry about the large pics, we had over 25 

> RV's fly

>  >> in and about 60 people, as quite a few reside at the Lincoln airport

>  >> already, no need to fly in. I guess I did a decent job because I was

>  >> only made aware of one potential problem, and it's fixed already.

>  >> > > How about the 3 10's lined up?

>  >> > >

>  >> > > Don McDonald

>  >> > > #40636

>  >> > >

>  >> > > --------

>  >> > > Don A. McDonald

>  >> > > 40636

>  >> > >

>  >> > >

>  >> > >

>  >> > >

>  >> > > Read this topic online here:

>  >> > >

>  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 31965#231965

>  >> > >

>  >> > >

>  >> > >

>  >> > >

>  >> > > Attachments:

>  >> > >

>  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2797cc_395.jpg

>  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2792c_125.jpg

>  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2762c_171.jpg

>  >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p2210036c_110.jpg

>  >> > >

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