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 Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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I purchased my Kolb MkIII just over 10 years ago. Around the time I purchased the plane from the old Kolb Co. C I purchased the complete Poly Fiber covering kit C including most of the Poly Tone paint C from Jim and Dondi.
One of the problems with not building your plane in a timely manner is that some things "go bad". Examples of this are Poly Tak that turns brownish C rendering it useless. All the solids in the Poly Spray and Poly Tone settle on the bottom of the can C making a very solid mud. Lots of work to get them remixed.
My Poly Fiber fabric C which may or may not have been on a 5 foot tube roll C has been folded C and taken on wrinkles that are virtually impossible to get out. When I try to glue these wrinkles down with (new) Poly Tak C it still won't hold them down. What a pain!
I figured out a way to fix the wrinkles. I made a big ironing board on a blanket over a sheet of plywood. I got my iron out C and ironed and ironed C till those lines were gone. I found it took a fairly high setting C but eventually all those suckers were gone.
Mike Welch
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:27:11 -0800
I figured out a way to fix the wrinkles. I made a big ironing board on a
blanket over a sheet of plywood. I got my iron out, and ironed and ironed,
till those lines were gone. I found it took a fairly high setting, but
eventually all those suckers were gone.
Mike,
No way to say it but this was not a good solution. You have just pre shrunk
all of your cloth. Do not use it.
Jack B.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Hi Jack C
Didn't I once say you had a sense of humor??
So do I!! I was just pulling one of those "Leroy says to ....." C from the Poly Fiber manual.
Sorry for yanking your chain C but the wrinkles are a pain in the keester. Yeah C I know better
than to pre-iron the stuff.
I have only one wing left to finish. Absolutely ALL other Poly Fiber surfaces (flaps C ailerons C tail feathers C fuselage C other wing) are either painted C or at least Poly Sprayed.
Mike
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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| Quote: | No way to say it but this was not a good solution. You have just pre
shrunk
all of your cloth. Do not use it.
Jack B.
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Jack/Mike W/Gang:
That was my first thought, but before I sh-t canned the "FABRIC" (airplanes
don't use cloth for covering), I'd ascertain how hot the iron was when I was
busy ironing out the wrinkles. If it was no more than 250F or so, I would
feel comfortable using it.
This would have been a good time for Mike to call Jim Miller, before he took
the iron to his fabric.
Most of the fabric I see on our Kolb airplanes are not shrunk tight enough,
primarily for fear of bending something. All my stuff is bent, but the
fabric is tight as a drum. Maybe that is why it flies faster than most of
its contemporaries???
When I am shrinking fabric, my fabric is smoking. 
john h
mkIII
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Mike:
Take your dope and paint to wal-mart or lowe's. Those folks in the paint department will be more than happy to shake your cans. That is what I do with paint that has been hibernating for years.
john h
mkIII
[quote] One of the problems with not building your plane in a timely manner is that some things "go bad". Examples of this are Poly Tak that turns brownish, rendering it useless. All the solids in the Poly Spray and Poly Tone settle on the bottom of the can, making a very solid mud. Lots of work to get them remixed.
Mike Welch
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Jack C and John C et al
I was just funnin' you guys 'bout preshrinking the stuff. Even though my fabric does have some annoying wrinkles C no way would I try to iron it flat before I glued it in place.
When I go to heat-shrink that stuff C I want it to shrink like a snare drum skin. I found if you iron the wrinkles on the metal surfaces C they usually disappear.....actually C they ALWAYS disappear.
For the first time in 10 years C I am "almost" finished with all my Poly Fiber....and yes C it is "tight as a drum"!
Regarding the settled solids C I was going to take the cans to Home Depot. I know the folks there on a first name basis....I really do! But C I made a little mixing paddle C and got the stuff back to new.
Mike Welch
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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At 06:27 PM 2/27/09 -0600, you wrote:
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Most of the fabric I see on our Kolb airplanes are not shrunk tight enough,
primarily for fear of bending something. All my stuff is bent, but the
fabric is tight as a drum. Maybe that is why it flies faster than most of
its contemporaries???
When I am shrinking fabric, my fabric is smoking.
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John,
Now we know why you had to beef up your wings and add power to get it into
the air.
Just fun'in
Cloth is a noun - a fabric formed by weaving, felting etc., from wool, hair,
silk, flax, cotton, or other fiber, used for garments, upholstery, and many
other items. - dictionary.reference.com
Fabric is a noun - a cloth, made by weaving, knitting, or felting fibers. -
dictionary.reference.com
Mike, you got me good.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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| Quote: | Fabric is a noun - a cloth, made by weaving, knitting, or felting
fibers. -
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Jack:
Forget the dictionary.
Calling aircraft covering cloth is like calling the instrument panel the
dash board.
Or.........calling aircraft tubing pipe.
john h
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Mike, Jet engines do stall in the compressor stage. Not that those who describe such are being technically sophisticated, but they are not necessarily wrong.My personal favorite was the writer in Scientific American (!!!!!!!) who reported that the stick shaker was a device to warn the pilot of insufficient air UNDER (my emphasis) the wing. I could not make that one up, I swear.
Rick
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | What really irritates me is when goof-balls talk about airplane engine's "stalling". Argh!
Airplane engine QUIT, (or they ingest geese), but they don't stall!!!! Wing's stall.
Feisty, since my Poly Fiber is nearly done. By the way, what a LOT of work! I spent more than a week of intense work on just one wing!
In the Poly Fiber manual it says you might be able to complete a typical P.F. airplane job in a month. They left off "of Sundays". "Month of Sundays"!!!
Time to take another pill. And get back to the last wing.
Mike Welch
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| Quote: | >Calling aircraft covering cloth is like calling the instrument panel the
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As bad as calling it "canvas"???
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:01 -0600
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Mike, Jet engines do stall in the compressor stage. Not that those who
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describe such are being technically sophisticated, but they are not
necessarily wrong.
My personal favorite was the writer in Scientific American (!!!!!!!) who
reported that the stick shaker was a device to warn the pilot of
insufficient air UNDER (my emphasis) the wing. I could not make that one up,
I swear.
Rick,
Not much can be worse than the FAA declaring that an ultralight vehicle, a
mechanical device that flys, is not an aircraft.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Jack
Thank your lucky stars that the FAA doesn't consider ultralights airplane.
If they did they would be regulating them.
Riding in a DC8 one windy day I noticed the pilot was being extremely heavy
handed with the throttle on take off roll. I heard a loud bang followed by
power going to idle. I said out loud "sounded like a compressor stall". A
few minutes later on the PA system they announced that we had a compressor
stall and that it was not a safety concern. Everyone! around me started
hitting me with questions about what happened. When the pilot powered up for
the next take off he fed power much much slower.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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At 12:14 PM 2/28/2009, Jack B. Hart wrote:
| Quote: | | Not much can be worse than the FAA declaring that an ultralight vehicle, a mechanical device that flys, is not an aircraft. |
Everybody says that, but it's not correct. According to Federal Aviation Regulations, Part 1, Section 1 (Definitions):
"Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air."
Not much ambiguity there. The confusion comes from the fact that unlike other aircraft, "ultralight vehicles" are not required to follow the requirements of Part 91, the General Operating rules:
§ 91.1 Applicability. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section and §§91.701 and 91.703, this part prescribes rules governing the operation of aircraft (other than moored balloons, kites, unmanned rockets, and unmanned free balloons, which are governed by part 101 of this chapter, and ultralight vehicles operated in accordance with part 103 of this chapter) within the United States...
Note how the above is worded. It does NOT say that an ultralight vehicle is not an aircraft; it simply says that Part 91 applies to "aircraft other than ultralight vehicles", which have their own special regulations (Part 103). An "ultralight vehicle" is simply a class of aircraft with its own distinct regulations.
However, I admit the misconception can be useful in some situations, as when dealing with local zoning boards who restrict "aircraft" and such... (shhhhh)
-Dana
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Brother Welch:
I have news for you, Good Sir....
Stall....??? The little Nazi 447 on the Kleenex Kolb most assuredly does stall.... It also procrastinates,
prevaricates, lies, cheats, steals.... and I believe that if it could unbolt itself from the
airplane and escape from the trailer, it would rob convenience stores on weekends....
As for the Polyfiber Follies.... nothing to it...forget your pills... just take a warm glass of MEK
each night before you go to bed.... you'll sleep like a government retiree.... after a week
or so, you'll wake up and the airplane will be covered, painted, pin-striped, have n-numbers
on it and you won't remember a thing...
....these kids today.... don't know what real trouble looks like.... sigh....
overage-in-grade beauford
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Brandon, FL
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: wrinkled Poly Fiber |
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Great idea, I'm going to do that to my wrinkled fabric
Thanks for the advice.
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| Quote: | | I figured out a way to fix the wrinkles. I made a big ironing board on a blanket over a sheet of plywood. I got my iron out, and ironed and ironed, till those lines were gone. I found it took a fairly high setting, but eventually all those suckers were gone. |
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