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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Fred Klein wrote:

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Frans...this sounds really interesting...cheers for getting rid of the
dog house...how bout some photos?

I guess more people are interested in seeing some preliminary work that
has been done.
Note that a lot of work still needs to be done. It is a sort of
"concept" that is ready now.

The idea is to reduce drag, and improve cooling at the same time.

Picture 1: the nasa-ducts in the top cowling. Inside is a deflector
screen. The air is aimed between the front and read cylinders, cooling
both efficiently and equally. The air is directed to the bottom, so the
heated air will hopefully not collect in the top cowling. The air
outlets (inlets?) on the side are closed off. If the engine is shut off,
the remaining heat will find its way out via the nasa ducts which are
actually higher than the side vents.
Note that the front openings will be used for taxi & landing lights, and
not as an air passage.

Picture 2: the cooling inlet and diffuser for the radiators. The idea is
here that the frontal area is reduced, the air inlet is in a better
position in the propellor wash (important for cooling on the ground!),
and drag is lowered because of the diffuser in front of the radiators.
The area where the original air duct was, has been filled with blue
foam, and then sanded until it had the shape the cowling should have. A
few layers of bid (inside and outside) to make it strong. Some (a lot?)
of filler is required to finalize it. The diffuser is also made from
blue foam, shaped, and with two layers of bid.

Picture 3: closeup of the diffuser. The area inside is funnel shaped
with a round curve, but that is hard to see. Every wall of the diffuser
can be seen as a wing. The air going inside is slowed down by expansion,
to match with the airflow the radiators can handle.

Picture 4: Underside/rearside of the radiator housing.
What you are seeing here are actually two air outlets: The opening for
the radiators is obvious. Directly behind it (towards the camera) is the
opening from the engine bay. Both radiators are in line with each other:
the oil radiator will only get air that has gone through the water
radiator. I believe that this is a good thing. (The reason that this is
sometimes done differently in the Europa is because of the bad
properties of the original cooling duct).
On the bottom panel you can see a hinge. Here will be attached an
adjustable cowl flap. In the cruise position, it will be in a direct
line with the bottom panel of the radiator housing. It will extend
considerably rearward, where the belly slopes down. The outgoing air
will be speed up, and hopefully smootlly mix with the air passing the
radiator housing because it has the same speed and direction. If more
cooling is required, the flap will move down, making a greater opening,
and causing some vacuum behind the flap to help the air out. Obviously,
in maximum cooling position it will create some drag, although it
wouldn't be worse than the factory cowling.
Note that the sides of the radiator housing will not be visible when the
cowling is finished, as it will overlap the sides of the radiator
housing. (Problem here of course is that the radiator housing is fixed
to the fuselage, while the bottom cowling needs to be removable. Am not
sure yet where exactly the seam will be made).

Picture 6: Here the shape is better to see. If the cowl flap is in
place, it will be in a direct line with the radiator housing, horizontal
with the flight direction. Because the belly of the cowling slopes down,
the air going to the exit will be compressed (read: "speed up") somewhat.
The complete air path is as follows: There is a small opening in front,
and behind the opening is a diffuser which has "wing-shaped" walls that
increase the area, thus slowing the air down. The slower moving air can
pass the radiators, and after that the air is speed up again, so when
the air is released, it has the same direction and speed as the
surrounding air.

Of course, al this is theory. Because the cooling properties of the
factory cowling are so bad, I believe that it would actually be
difficult to make it worse. So chances are that my cooling at least
gives some better cooling and aerodynamics.

Note that before I started with the Europa I had no experience at all
with making shapes and working with epoxy. I'm sure that a lot of people
can do a better job than I did, and I'm not really sure how things will
look after applying filler and sanding. I hope it is going to be ok.

Comments are welcome of course!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Frans

You may be interested to know that Europa did some testing of several duct
positions with a view to producing a mod along the lines of what you are
doing. The aim being to improve cooling, reduce drag and improve the looks.
Unfortunately it never got produced Sad
I spoke to Andy Draper today and he is going to send me a drawing of the
design that worked the best in terms of cooling. I will happily forward it
to you when I get it.
Regards

Paul Atkinson

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Paul,
Forward those to all of us as I'm too interested in seeing them.
Regards,

Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours down for annual & Mods.
On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Paul Atkinson wrote:

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Frans

You may be interested to know that Europa did some testing of several
duct
positions with a view to producing a mod along the lines of what you
are
doing. The aim being to improve cooling, reduce drag and improve the
looks.
Unfortunately it never got produced Sad
I spoke to Andy Draper today and he is going to send me a drawing of
the
design that worked the best in terms of cooling. I will happily
forward it
to you when I get it.
Regards

Paul Atkinson

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Paul Atkinson wrote:
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Frans

You may be interested to know that Europa did some testing of several duct
positions with a view to producing a mod along the lines of what you are
doing. The aim being to improve cooling, reduce drag and improve the looks.
Unfortunately it never got produced Sad
I spoke to Andy Draper today and he is going to send me a drawing of the
design that worked the best in terms of cooling. I will happily forward it
to you when I get it.
Regards

Paul Atkinson

Paul

I'd like to see those too please
Graham


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Paul,

Please post on the Europa Owners site for all to access.

Bob

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:46, Paul Atkinson <paullatkinson(at)talktalk.net>
wrote:

[quote]
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Frans

You may be interested to know that Europa did some testing of
several duct
positions with a view to producing a mod along the lines of what you
are
doing. The aim being to improve cooling, reduce drag and improve the
looks.
Unfortunately it never got produced Sad
I spoke to Andy Draper today and he is going to send me a drawing of
the
design that worked the best in terms of cooling. I will happily
forward it
to you when I get it.
Regards

Paul Atkinson

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Paul

Obviously everyone is interested in the cowl drawings. Do you know if Andy
is going to send paper or a CAD drawing?

If its paper, I will on behalf of the Club, be happy to digitise it and make
available in a suitable format everyone can use (PDF, JPG etc)

If it is CAD again I am happy to translate it into a usable format.

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

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Paul
If it is CAD again I am happy to translate it into a usable format.
***.dxf should be OK

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Paul

I hope you post it for everyone to see!

JR (Bob) Gowing 327 in Oz
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

To all who have asked for the cowling drawing.
I think Andy is planning to send it to me by email but I do not know what
format it is in. I will of course make it available to everyone, if possible
as an attachment to an email.
Quote:
From what Andy told me it sounds as though Frans has come up with a design
very similar to the Europa one.

I am wearing my rose tinted spectacles at the moment but it does seem to be
such a good idea that Europa ought to consider taking this on once again.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

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From the conversations I have had with David Stanbridge I am aware that
revising the cowl is one item on his agenda of possible Europa improvements.

I do not know if he has had the information as to what has already been done
by Andy.

David does monitor this forum but, in case he misses it, I will pass on
anything useful to him.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

That is good news. Andy is not sure what info is still with Europa but he
still has some if not all of it on his hard drive and would make it
available to Europa if needed. He also said that the improvement in cooling
was significant but couldn't remember any numbers. The testing was a series
of ground runs on a Yorkshire summer day so possibly not very hot! But a
steady state was reached within limits.
The drawing the he offered me is a CAD one but he is going to email me a
scanned version when he gets a spare minute.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:07 pm    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

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Here is the promised drawing. Andy has also sent a copy to Roger Bull.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Cowling mods Reply with quote

Hi all,

Has someone already implemented or has plans to implement this mod on the lower cowling?

With more than 30C over here in summer, getting out of the yellow for both CHT and oil Temperature of my 914 is a real challenge when flying circuits or not far from the airfield!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Cowling mods Reply with quote

 
Jacques C
 
Which mods are you referring to ?
I have made mods but have not tested them yet.
 
Karl


 
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Date: Sat C 11 Jul 2009 13:29:16 -0700
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Hi all C

Has someone already implemented or has plans to implement this mod on the lower cowling?

With more than 30C over here in summer C getting out of the yellow for both CHT and oil Temperature of my 914 is a real challenge when flying circuits or not far from the airfield!

Jacques.




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