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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Lynn Matteson, Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?

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Rockford,IL
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Hi Pat-
Mine are about 600 sq inches each. I measured a Cub that turned out
to be 768 sq in for the pair, and another pair for a
Cub...Federals...that measured 1008 sq in for the pair. So mine are a
bit oversize, but work very well in 12-14" of snow. Narrow skis seem
to work better in hard snow, and wider are better for lighter snow,
it seems.

Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying


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length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Hey Lynn and Pat this link is from a 701 builder with some home built skis
on Yahoo, and here are a couple of messages... this is what he had to say:

"hi all took some time but the new skis are installed and tested
perfectly this past weekend. performed very well on the snow which b/c
of the recent thaw surface was very dense and hard. i can pull the
plane with one finger on prop on top of this stuff. because of the
cant in the main gear the outer edge of the ski is lower then i would
like but still performed very well on the grass.all skis are 15" wide
mains are 48" long and nw is 36" top speed was down about 5mph and is
noticable less responsive to full throttle up. A mushy 4ooo rpm to
5200 in flight, the engine responds like normal but the asi is a
little slower to catch up. climbout was still impressive as ever.
total weight of all hardware is 60 lbs. so not so good for passenger
carrying but at least spent 2hours sipping around doing t & g's with
the bunch of hanger buddies only able to watch from the snowbanks.
will post some pics soon but will look like carbon copies of the ones
listed at zenith."

"just uploaded some photos. mains are 14 x 48 x 1/8 alum sheet with a
3.5" incline. 2- 1 x 2" rails on 12" centers stitch welded with a 15 "
wide sheet of 1/8 uhmw popriveted to bottoms. an bolts for mounting
hardware and clips. rest of the cable, bungii and hardware is local
building material. the nw pivot is a shouldered bushing machined to
size witha 5/16 x 2 an bolt and locknut. the "s" brace is a just in
case support. I can remove the ski without touching the nw axle. tail
wheels are hockey pucks board and oilite bushings pressed into."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/701builders/photos/album/995817052/pic/list

Let me know if you can access this link, there are some pics there of the
skis...
R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
CH701 Plans(Scrap) Builder #7-6699
Porsche Power Geared Redrive
Winnipeg, MB Canada
infow(at)mts.net
3/2/2009 7:56:49 PM


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Sad Hi Pat-
Sad Mine are about 600 sq inches each. I measured a Cub that turned
Sad out to be 768 sq in for the pair, and another pair for a
Sad Cub...Federals...that measured 1008 sq in for the pair. So mine
Sad are a bit oversize, but work very well in 12-14" of snow. Narrow
Sad skis seem to work better in hard snow, and wider are better for
Sad lighter snow, it seems.
Sad
Sad Lynn Matteson
Sad Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Sad Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sad Sensenich 62x46
Sad Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Sad Status: flying
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SadSad Lynn Matteson, Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What
SadSad length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?
SadSad
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Ron,

How 'bout posting your pictures to the matronics/kitfox list

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Ron C I couldn't open the photos.
do not archive

Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL

 
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From: infow(at)mts.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon C 2 Mar 2009 20:38:26 -0600
Subject: Re: Ski Size

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc" <infow(at)mts.net>

Hey Lynn and Pat this link is from a 701 builder with some home built skis
on Yahoo C and here are a couple of messages... this is what he had to say:

"hi all took some time but the new skis are installed and tested
perfectly this past weekend. performed very well on the snow which b/c
of the recent thaw surface was very dense and hard. i can pull the
plane with one finger on prop on top of this stuff. because of the
cant in the main gear the outer edge of the ski is lower then i would
like but still performed very well on the grass.all skis are 15" wide
mains are 48" long and nw is 36" top speed was down about 5mph and is
noticable less responsive to full throttle up. A mushy 4ooo rpm to
5200 in flight C the engine responds like normal but the asi is a
little slower to catch up. climbout was still impressive as ever.
total weight of all hardware is 60 lbs. so not so good for passenger
carrying but at least spent 2hours sipping around doing t & g's with
the bunch of hanger buddies only able to watch from the snowbanks.
will post some pics soon but will look like carbon copies of the ones
listed at zenith."

"just uploaded some photos. mains are 14 x 48 x 1/8 alum sheet with a
3.5" incline. 2- 1 x 2" rails on 12" centers stitch welded with a 15 "
wide sheet of 1/8 uhmw popriveted to bottoms. an bolts for mounting
hardware and clips. rest of the cable C bungii and hardware is local
building material. the nw pivot is a shouldered bushing machined to
size witha 5/16 x 2 an bolt and locknut. the "s" brace is a just in
case support. I can remove the ski without touching the nw axle. tail
wheels are hockey pucks board and oilite bushings pressed into."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/701builders/photos/album/995817052/pic/list



Let me know if you can access this link C there are some pics there of the
skis...
R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
CH701 Plans(Scrap) Builder #7-6699
Porsche Power Geared Redrive
Winnipeg C MB Canada
infow(at)mts.net
3/2/2009 7:56:49 PM




Sad --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
Sad
Sad
Sad Hi Pat-
Sad Mine are about 600 sq inches each. I measured a Cub that turned
Sad out to be 768 sq in for the pair C and another pair for a
Sad Cub...Federals...that measured 1008 sq in for the pair. So mine
Sad are a bit oversize C but work very well in 12-14" of snow. Narrow
Sad skis seem to work better in hard snow C and wider are better for
Sad lighter snow C it seems.
Sad
Sad Lynn Matteson
Sad Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
Sad Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 605 hrs
Sad Sensenich 62x46
Sad Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Sad Status: flying
Sad
Sad
Sad On Mar 2 C 2009 C at 5:41 PM C Pat Reilly wrote:
Sad
SadSad Lynn Matteson C Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What
SadSad length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?
SadSad
SadSad Pat Reilly
SadSad Mod 3 582 Rebuild
SadSad Rockford CIL
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Let me know if this works...

Ron









Sad Ron, I couldn't open the photos.
Sad do not archive
Sad
Sad Pat Reilly
Sad Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Sad Rockford, IL
Sad
Sad
SadSad From: infow(at)mts.net
SadSad To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
SadSad Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:38:26 -0600
SadSad Subject: Re: Ski Size
SadSad
SadSad --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc"
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad Hey Lynn and Pat this link is from a 701 builder with some
SadSad home built skis on Yahoo, and here are a couple of
SadSad messages... this is what he had to say:
SadSad
SadSad "hi all took some time but the new skis are installed and
SadSad tested perfectly this past weekend. performed very well on
SadSad the snow which b/c of the recent thaw surface was very dense
SadSad and hard. i can pull the plane with one finger on prop on top
SadSad of this stuff. because of the cant in the main gear the outer
SadSad edge of the ski is lower then i would like but still
SadSad performed very well on the grass.all skis are 15" wide mains
SadSad are 48" long and nw is 36" top speed was down about 5mph and
SadSad is noticable less responsive to full throttle up. A mushy
SadSad 4ooo rpm to 5200 in flight, the engine responds like normal
SadSad but the asi is a little slower to catch up. climbout was
SadSad still impressive as ever. total weight of all hardware is 60
SadSad lbs. so not so good for passenger carrying but at least spent
SadSad 2hours sipping around doing t & g's with the bunch of hanger
SadSad buddies only able to watch from the snowbanks. will post some
SadSad pics soon but will look like carbon copies of the ones listed
SadSad at zenith."
SadSad
SadSad "just uploaded some photos. mains are 14 x 48 x 1/8 alum
SadSad sheet with a 3.5" incline. 2- 1 x 2" rails on 12" centers
SadSad stitch welded with a 15 " wide sheet of 1/8 uhmw popriveted
SadSad to bottoms. an bolts for mounting hardware and clips. rest of
SadSad the cable, bungii and hardware is local building material.
SadSad the nw pivot is a shouldered bushing machined to size witha
SadSad 5/16 x 2 an bolt and locknut. the "s" brace is a just in case
SadSad support. I can remove the ski without touching the nw axle.
SadSad tail wheels are hockey pucks board and oilite bushings
SadSad pressed into."
SadSad http://groups.yahoo.com/group/701builders/photos/album/995817052/pic/l
SadSad ist
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad Let me know if you can access this link, there are some pics
SadSad there of the skis... R.D.(Ron) Leclerc CH701 Plans(Scrap)
SadSad Builder #7-6699 Porsche Power Geared Redrive Winnipeg, MB
SadSad Canada infow(at)mts.net 3/2/2009 7:56:49 PM
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad Hi Pat-
SadSad Mine are about 600 sq inches each. I measured a Cub that
SadSad turned out to be 768 sq in for the pair, and another pair for
SadSad a Cub...Federals...that measured 1008 sq in for the pair. So
SadSad mine are a bit oversize, but work very well in 12-14" of
SadSad snow. Narrow skis seem to work better in hard snow, and wider
SadSad are better for lighter snow, it seems.
SadSad
SadSad Lynn Matteson
SadSad Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
SadSad Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
SadSad Sensenich 62x46
SadSad Electroair direct-fire ignition system
SadSad Status: flying
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Pat Reilly wrote:
SadSad
SadSad Lynn Matteson, Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What
SadSad length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?
SadSad
SadSad Pat Reilly
SadSad Mod 3 582 Rebuild
SadSad Rockford,IL
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SadSad
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:47 am    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

The photos and text came through loud and clear, Ron, and thanks.

His skis are similar to my old ones, in that they let the tire
penetrate (in my opinion) too far, and he has the "cheese slicer"
effect going for (against) him. I can't imagine this arrangement
weighing 60 lbs, either, but it DOES include a nosewheel ski, which I
don't have the equivalent of for my tailwheel....haven't found the
need for it yet.

No need for skis around here...Lower Michigan....as the ground is
clear of snow, but it's 3 degrees F. above zero, clear as a bell and
wind-less, and I'm gonna go fly some lakes!

Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying


On Mar 2, 2009, at 10:23 PM, R.D.(Ron) Leclerc wrote:

Quote:
Let me know if this works...

Ron


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:02 am    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Ron C Yes C photos are great. It looks like you put carpeet on the tops of the skis. There is a diamond pattern on thetop of the ski. What is that?
do not archive

Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL

 
From: infow(at)mts.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon C 2 Mar 2009 21:23:37 -0600
Subject: RE: Ski Size

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Sad Ron C I couldn't open the photos.
Sad do not archive
Sad
Sad Pat Reilly
Sad Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Sad Rockford C IL
Sad
Sad
SadSad From: infow(at)mts.net
SadSad To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
SadSad Date: Mon C 2 Mar 2009 20:38:26 -0600
SadSad Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski Size
SadSad
SadSad --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc"
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad Hey Lynn and Pat this link is from a 701 builder with some
SadSad home built skis on Yahoo C and here are a couple of
SadSad messages... this is what he had to say:
SadSad
SadSad "hi all took some time but the new skis are installed and
SadSad tested perfectly this past weekend. performed very well on
SadSad the snow which b/c of the recent thaw surface was very dense
SadSad and hard. i can pull the plane with one finger on prop on top
SadSad of this stuff. because of the cant in the main gear the outer
SadSad edge of the ski is lower then i would like but still
SadSad performed very well on the grass.all skis are 15" wide mains
SadSad are 48" long and nw is 36" top speed was down about 5mph and
SadSad is noticable less responsive to full throttle up. A mushy
SadSad 4ooo rpm to 5200 in flight C the engine responds like normal
SadSad but the asi is a little slower to catch up. climbout was
SadSad still impressive as ever. total weight of all hardware is 60
SadSad lbs. so not so good for passenger carrying but at least spent
SadSad 2hours sipping around doing t & g's with the bunch of hanger
SadSad buddies only able to watch from the snowbanks. will post some
SadSad pics soon but will look like carbon copies of the ones listed
SadSad at zenith."
SadSad
SadSad "just uploaded some photos. mains are 14 x 48 x 1/8 alum
SadSad sheet with a 3.5" incline. 2- 1 x 2" rails on 12" centers
SadSad stitch welded with a 15 " wide sheet of 1/8 uhmw popriveted
SadSad to bottoms. an bolts for mounting hardware and clips. rest of
SadSad the cable C bungii and hardware is local building material.
SadSad the nw pivot is a shouldered bushing machined to size witha
SadSad 5/16 x 2 an bolt and locknut. the "s" brace is a just in case
SadSad support. I can remove the ski without touching the nw axle.
SadSad tail wheels are hockey pucks board and oilite bushings
SadSad pressed into."
SadSad http://groups.yahoo.com/group/701builders/photos/album/995817052/pic/l
SadSad ist
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad Let me know if you can access this link C there are some pics
SadSad there of the skis... R.D.(Ron) Leclerc CH701 Plans(Scrap)
SadSad Builder #7-6699 Porsche Power Geared Redrive Winnipeg C MB
SadSad Canada infow(at)mts.net 3/2/2009 7:56:49 PM
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad Hi Pat-
SadSad Mine are about 600 sq inches each. I measured a Cub that
SadSad turned out to be 768 sq in for the pair C and another pair for
SadSad a Cub...Federals...that measured 1008 sq in for the pair. So
SadSad mine are a bit oversize C but work very well in 12-14" of
SadSad snow. Narrow skis seem to work better in hard snow C and wider
SadSad are better for lighter snow C it seems.
SadSad
SadSad Lynn Matteson
SadSad Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
SadSad Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 605 hrs
SadSad Sensenich 62x46
SadSad Electroair direct-fire ignition system
SadSad Status: flying
SadSad
SadSad
SadSad On Mar 2 C 2009 C at 5:41 PM C Pat Reilly wrote:
SadSad
SadSad Lynn Matteson C Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What
SadSad length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?
SadSad
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: Ski Size Reply with quote

[quote="patreilly43(at)hotmail.co"]Lynn Matteson, Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?

Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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ohh caa caa... here we go again lol... What are the average snow depths? mine have 780 sq. in. and I would not want any less for the snow I fly off of most of the time. I had them in knee deep powder and they performed great. Only sunk in about 4 inches or so. Now to make a tail ski and I will be golden.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Lynn:
We had 11C ~ 51F temps here today. Ceiling was minimal with several rain
showers. We lost over a foot of snow today but more to go yet.

Noel

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

I don't think those are carpet.....they look like paver blocks to me,
Pat. Look closer and you'll see that where the diamond pattern is,
there is no ski attached to the hanging brackets. And these aren't
Ron's skis....he was just posting the link.

Lynn Matteson
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On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:01 AM, patrick reilly wrote:

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Ron, Yes, photos are great. It looks like you put carpeet on the
tops of the skis. There is a diamond pattern on thetop of the ski.
What is that?
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From: infow(at)mts.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:23:37 -0600
Subject: RE: Ski Size

Let me know if this works...

Ron


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SadSad and hard. i can pull the plane with one finger on prop on top
SadSad of this stuff. because of the cant in the main gear the outer
SadSad edge of the ski is lower then i would like but still
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SadSad are 48" long and nw is 36" top speed was down about 5mph and
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SadSad 4ooo rpm to 5200 in flight, the engine responds like normal
SadSad but the asi is a little slower to catch up. climbout was
SadSad still impressive as ever. total weight of all hardware is 60
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SadSad 2hours sipping around doing t & g's with the bunch of hanger
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SadSad at zenith."
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SadSad "just uploaded some photos. mains are 14 x 48 x 1/8 alum
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SadSad the cable, bungii and hardware is local building material.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Len C We don't have knee deep powder. Never! As a matter of fact we don't have powder period. I'm shooting for 600 sq " per ski. But thanks for info.

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Subject: Re: Ski Size
From: akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com
Date: Tue C 3 Mar 2009 09:58:48 -0800
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

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[quote="patreilly43(at)hotmail.co"]Lynn Matteson C Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?

Pat Reilly
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ohh caa caa... here we go again lol... What are the average snow depths? mine have 780 sq. in. and I would not want any less for the snow I fly off of most of the time. I had them in knee deep powder and they performed great. Only sunk in about 4 inches or so. Now to make a tail ski and I will be golden.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Lynn C Jeeez... I must be going blind. The ski isn't in the picture C just the mounting bracket.That is a patio block. Come to think of it I just had trouble passing the eye test on my medical exam. Hell C I usually can't take it and close my eyes when I get close to the ground anyway.
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[quote] From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Ski Size
Date: Tue C 3 Mar 2009 17:00:32 -0500
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

I don't think those are carpet.....they look like paver blocks to me C
Pat. Look closer and you'll see that where the diamond pattern is C
there is no ski attached to the hanging brackets. And these aren't
Ron's skis....he was just posting the link.

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On Mar 3 C 2009 C at 10:01 AM C patrick reilly wrote:

> Ron C Yes C photos are great. It looks like you put carpeet on the
> tops of the skis. There is a diamond pattern on thetop of the ski.
> What is that?
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford C IL
>
>
>
>
> From: infow(at)mts.net
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Mon C 2 Mar 2009 21:23:37 -0600
> Subject: RE: Ski Size
>
> Let me know if this works...
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> <kau03y1ven8r4w7ebnlt>
>
> <76a4ovan2d8qbizff2h3>
>
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>
>
> Sad Ron C I couldn't open the photos.
> Sad do not archive
> Sad
> Sad Pat Reilly
> Sad Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Sad Rockford C IL
> Sad
> Sad
> SadSad From: infow(at)mts.net
> SadSad To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> SadSad Date: Mon C 2 Mar 2009 20:38:26 -0600
> SadSad Subject: Re: Ski Size
> SadSad
> SadSad --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc"
> SadSad
> SadSad
> SadSad Hey Lynn and Pat this link is from a 701 builder with some
> SadSad home built skis on Yahoo C and here are a couple of
> SadSad messages... this is what he had to say:
> SadSad
> SadSad "hi all took some time but the new skis are installed and
> SadSad tested perfectly this past weekend. performed very well on
> SadSad the snow which b/c of the recent thaw surface was very dense
> SadSad and hard. i can pull the plane with one finger on prop on top
> SadSad of this stuff. because of the cant in the main gear the outer
> SadSad edge of the ski is lower then i would like but still
> SadSad performed very well on the grass.all skis are 15" wide mains
> SadSad are 48" long and nw is 36" top speed was down about 5mph and
> SadSad is noticable less responsive to full throttle up. A mushy
> SadSad 4ooo rpm to 5200 in flight C the engine responds like normal
> SadSad but the asi is a little slower to catch up. climbout was
> SadSad still impressive as ever. total weight of all hardware is 60
> SadSad lbs. so not so good for passenger carrying but at least spent
> SadSad 2hours sipping around doing t & g's with the bunch of hanger
> SadSad buddies only able to watch from the snowbanks. will post some
> SadSad pics soon but will look like carbon copies of the ones listed
> SadSad at zenith."
> SadSad
> SadSad "just uploaded some photos. mains are 14 x 48 x 1/8 alum
> SadSad sheet with a 3.5" incline. 2- 1 x 2" rails on 12" centers
> SadSad stitch welded with a 15 " wide sheet of 1/8 uhmw popriveted
> SadSad to bottoms. an bolts for mounting hardware and clips. rest of
> SadSad the cable C bungii and hardware is local building material.
> SadSad the nw pivot is a shouldered bushing machined to size witha
> SadSad 5/16 x 2 an bolt and locknut. the "s" brace is a just in case
> SadSad support. I can remove the ski without touching the nw axle.
> SadSad tail wheels are hockey pucks board and oilite bushings
> SadSad pressed into."
> SadSad http://groups.yahoo.com/group/701builders/photos/album/
> 995817052/pic/l
> SadSad ist
> SadSad
> SadSad
> SadSad Let me know if you can access this link C there are some pics
> SadSad there of the skis... R.D.(Ron) Leclerc CH701 Plans(Scrap)
> SadSad Builder #7-6699 Porsche Power Geared Redrive Winnipeg C MB
> SadSad Canada infow(at)mts.net 3/2/2009 7:56:49 PM
> SadSad
> SadSad
> SadSad --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> SadSad
> SadSad
> SadSad Hi Pat-
> SadSad Mine are about 600 sq inches each. I measured a Cub that
> SadSad turned out to be 768 sq in for the pair C and another pair for
> SadSad a Cub...Federals...that measured 1008 sq in for the pair. So
> SadSad mine are a bit oversize C but work very well in 12-14" of
> SadSad snow. Narrow skis seem to work better in hard snow C and wider
> SadSad are better for lighter snow C it seems.
> SadSad
> SadSad Lynn Matteson
> SadSad Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
> SadSad Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 605 hrs
> SadSad Sensenich 62x46
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> SadSad Status: flying
> SadSad
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> SadSad On Mar 2 C 2009 C at 5:41 PM C Pat Reilly wrote:
> SadSad
> SadSad Lynn Matteson C Looking at snowboards to convert to skis. What
> SadSad length and sq ' or " footprint do I need?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

When I was digging into ski sizes, it *seemed* that all the skis that
I measured were built under the assumption of about 1-2 pounds of
airplane weight per square inch of ski. That's a wild --- guess, but
again, deep powdery snow requires more flotation/area, and hard-
packed snow needs less area, at least from what I've been able to
gather.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:42 am    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

Lynn C Don't know if you are a skier C but that applies to downhill skiing also. Powder skies are much wider than carving skies.

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From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ski Size
Date: Tue C 3 Mar 2009 18:45:33 -0500
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When I was digging into ski sizes C it *seemed* that all the skis that
I measured were built under the assumption of about 1-2 pounds of
airplane weight per square inch of ski. That's a wild --- guess C but
again C deep powdery snow requires more flotation/area C and hard-
packed snow needs less area C at least from what I've been able to
gather.

Lynn Matteson
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On Mar 3 C 2009 C at 5:33 PM C patrick reilly wrote:

> Len C We don't have knee deep powder. Never! As a matter of fact we
> don't have powder period. I'm shooting for 600 sq " per ski. But
> thanks for info.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject: Ski Size Reply with quote

I haven't skied in 20 years, and haven't kept up with that sport, but
what you say sounds right.

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Lynn, Don't know if you are a skier, but that applies to downhill
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> From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
> Subject: Re: Re: Ski Size
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:45:33 -0500
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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>
>
> When I was digging into ski sizes, it *seemed* that all the skis
that
> I measured were built under the assumption of about 1-2 pounds of
> airplane weight per square inch of ski. That's a wild --- guess, but
> again, deep powdery snow requires more flotation/area, and hard-
> packed snow needs less area, at least from what I've been able to
> gather.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
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>
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 5:33 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
> > Len, We don't have knee deep powder. Never! As a matter of fact we
> > don't have powder period. I'm shooting for 600 sq " per ski. But
> > thanks for info.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Ski Size Reply with quote

hello lynn: its odd that you guys are talking about my skis. i got some of my inspiration from looking at the picture posts of yours. The originals idea came from robert nelson in the zenair .com posts of skis. http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-photo81.html library #81...His are of the blue 701 at the top and about 2/3 down the list. I emailed him for info and he supplied me with some spec and more pics. .some others on the site show a guy standing on his skies so i got some relative sizes from that. I was just winging it as to the sizes. I just now did some calculations and came up with just under 2lb /sq in at full load. The pictures are just after traversing a 6' deep snowdrift. The plane sank about 8" but was able to hold the nw higher with rpm and backstick. I walked back through the same drift and sank past my knees. My size 12'vs couldnt hold up the 200lb hulk.there is a fair amout to cheese slicing and the wheels protrude about 2". the home field is grass with many short hops to pavement so i wanted both.
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