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wrk2win4u(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: Kolb markll

Hello List C<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> 

  

I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out well. I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed with the Kolb for many years.  

  

I am on the edge of “pulling the trigger” C (finalizing the deal) on a Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine. Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.  

  

First of all C the plane is registered and has an “N” number. It was put in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since. The engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3 blade prop. According to the seller C it has been “hard landed” once. This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. The strut has been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.  

  

Well C I know I’m asking a lot of information on a plane “sight unseen”. What should I look for as far as “RED FLAGS” C safety issues or potential costly problems?  

  

  

Thank you for any advice provided C 

  

Kurt 

   

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lcottrell

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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: Kolb markll

The Hirth for one thing. Perhaps this engine is ok,  but I have at least one friend that has been through three of them and did not  ever get one that didn't set him down in the pucker brush. Not really willing to  say that the engine is no good, just be very critical and get it checked out  completely before you jump.

 Larry C

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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: Kolb markll

Look at it in person before writing a check.  A positive is the owner being honest enough to tell youabout a hard landing.  Look for any bends in the little tubes welded to the gear socket and slack fabric

on that side of the cage.

Look at the registration certificate and the airworthiness certificate.  They should be together.

Check the logbook for the most recent "condition inspection" and whether done by the owner with

a repairman certificate or an A&P.  Good logs are a plus.

I would want to witness the engine running with at least some ( tethered) full throttle.

BB

MkIII, suzuki



On 4, Apr 2009, at 11:03 PM, K I wrote:

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		  Hello List,

 

I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out well. I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed with the Kolb for many years.

 

I am on the edge of “pulling the trigger”, (finalizing the deal) on a Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine. Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.

 

First of all, the plane is registered and has an “N” number. It was put in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since. The engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3 blade prop. According to the seller, it has been “hard landed” once. This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. The strut has been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.

 

Well, I know I’m asking a lot of information on a plane “sight unseen”. What should I look for as far as “RED FLAGS”, safety issues or potential costly problems?

 

 

Thank you for any advice provided,

 

Kurt

 

 



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb markll

Everything I have ever heard about Hirth engines is bad, very bad !!!   I personally would not buy a Hirth engine at any price.  There are always good deals on MK III 's out there, how much are you looking at spending ?   Maybe waiting for a MK III with a Rotax might be a better option.  



In all fairness, we do have a guy here on the list that flys with a Hirth and likes it.  I personally think he has exceptional skills that most others do not have to have kept that engine running good, and maybe a bit of luck also 



The Kolb is a great airplane, but make sure you get the right one.  Don't rush into getting an airplane that you will not be able to fly due to a poor engine choice.  Even a Kolb will not fly without a good engine.



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ulflyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: Kolb markll

Let the engine warm up (cylinder head temps) 

before doing any full throttle runs.

jerb



At 10:51 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Look at it in person before writing a check.  A 

positive is the owner being honest enough to tell you

about a hard landing.  Look for any bends in the 

little tubes welded to the gear socket and slack fabric

on that side of the cage.

Look at the registration certificate and the 

airworthiness certificate.  They should be together.

Check the logbook for the most recent "condition 

inspection" and whether done by the owner with

a repairman certificate or an A&P.  Good logs are a plus.



I would want to witness the engine running with 

at least some ( tethered) full throttle.

BB

MkIII, suzuki



On 4, Apr 2009, at 11:03 PM, K I wrote:



>Hello List,

>

>I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if 

>everything turns out well. I have not owned or 

>flown a Kolb before. I however have been 

>impressed with the Kolb for many years.

>

>I am on the edge of “pulling the trigger”, 

>(finalizing the deal) on a Kolb Markll. I have 

>some questions about the plane and the engine. 

>Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.

>

>First of all, the plane is registered and has 

>an “N” number. It was put in a hanger in August 

>of 2008 and not started or flown since. The 

>engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single 

>carburetor with a 3 blade prop. According to 

>the seller, it has been “hard landed” once. 

>This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. 

>The strut has been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.

>

>Well, I know I’m asking a lot of information on 

>a plane “sight unseen”. What should I look for 

>as far as “RED FLAGS”, safety issues or potential costly problems?

>Thank you for any advice provided,

>

>Kurt

>

>

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Kolb markll

I've never built a complete airplane but have bought many used experimental airplanes. If it is being sold as a flying airplane, I always insist on the seller flying it for me. Many times I've even insisted on the seller flying it to my airport for delivery, with me paying his out-of-pocket expenses. If s/he won't at least fly the airplane in my presence then I walk away. 



If it is a repair project that is a completely different scenario and it should be priced as such. If you land hard enough to bend a leg there is a fair chance there is other hidden damage. If it is not flyable with the bent leg, offer to pay for a new one if he'll fly it with the new leg. If you buy the airplane you are going to have to buy a new gear leg anyway. If he balks at that, I'd walk away. 



If you are not confident of the older Hirth engines make allowance for a replacement engine in your pricing or ask him to sell it without the engine at a price that will allow you to buy an engine in which you have confidence.

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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:46 am Post subject: Kolb markll

Hirth's use a flat belt to drive the fan. Make sure it hasn't flipped. One side of the belt has a rubber coating, the other side is braid. The braid side no run the fan so good. It's a 50 cent shim to fix it, but a bearcat to do the first time. If you find the belt flipped, it's almost certain the engine has been over heated. 



Rick



On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, K I <wrk2win4u(at)msn.com (wrk2win4u(at)msn.com)> wrote:

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Hello List, 

  

I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out well. I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed with the Kolb for many years.   

  

I am on the edge of “pulling the trigger”, (finalizing the deal) on a Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine. Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.   

  

First of all, the plane is registered and has an “N” number. It was put in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since. The engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3 blade prop. According to the seller, it has been “hard landed” once. This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. The strut has been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.   

  

Well, I know I’m asking a lot of information on a plane “sight unseen”. What should I look for as far as “RED FLAGS”, safety issues or potential costly problems?   

  

  

Thank you for any advice provided, 

  

Kurt 

   



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ces308

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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Kolb markll

Make sure there are no kinks in the tail boom...inspect the whole length.



chris ambrose

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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: Kolb markll

Buy it without the Hirth and get yourself a Rotax....they 

never have problems...    No one has reported a seizure for 

several weeks now...

    Herb

cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb markll

 	  wrk2win4u(at)msn.com wrote: 	
		  Iï¿½soon will be the owner of a Kolbï¿½Markll if everything turns out well. Iï¿½have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed with the Kolb for many years.  

	




You must want a two-seater if you are looking at a Mark II.  Be sure to look at the weight and balance that he has and considering your weight (and gas and other things you take up that may add weight) and see how much of a passenger you are going to be able to take up if you plan to do that.  Also you may want to sit in the passenger seat on the Mark II and feel what a tiny seat it is.  If it is like mine, you will not be able to take a large second passenger up in the Mark II.  If you want to take up other good size adults you will want to be looking at a Mark III instead of the Mark II.



Please DO get training in a Kolb before trying to fly it yourself

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