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rv(at)thelefflers.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

I think you would have a c/g issue causing the tail to hit the ground long

before there is a structural issue.



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

I think vans says the baggage area is rated at 100lbs.

Of course, I've sat back there a few times doing work,

so in a NON-flying situation I'm sure it's not a structural

limit.  But while flying it would be a CG or perhaps

structural limit.  Much more than that and you'd

start to risk tipping it onto it's tail anyway though.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



partner14 wrote:

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 <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>

 

 Is there a maximum weight limit on what can go in the baggage

 area.... I know all of us have spent some time in/on/sprawled in that

 area, but is there a structural limit.... assuming that whatever

 weight you put back there keeps you in an ok situation as far as

 weight and balance. Also, has anyone found a source for a decent

 strap to fasten to the door to not only use to pull the doors down,

 but also pull them fully closed. Thanks

 

 Don McDonald #40636 Airworthiness done, flight training not quite

 

 -------- Don A. McDonald 40636

 

 

 

 

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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

I see what you guys are saying, but if you had two 220 pounders in the front seats, with noone in the rear seats, my guess (I'm not at the hanger) is that if you put 150 pounds in the baggage area, you wouldn't come close to flipping the plane on it's back, and should still be way within CG limits.  Not that I'm planning on piling it up or anything!

 Don



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From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Subject: Re: Baggage Area & Door Straps

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 1:00 PM



 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>



I think vans says the baggage area is rated at 100lbs.

Of course, I've sat back there a few times doing work,

so in a NON-flying situation I'm sure it's not a structural

limit.  But while flying it would be a CG or perhaps

structural limit.  Much more than that and you'd

start to risk tipping it onto it's tail anyway though.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



partner14 wrote:

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 <building_partner(at)yahoo.com (building_partner(at)yahoo.com)>

 

 Is there a maximum weight limit on what can go in the baggage

 area.... I know all of  us have spent some time in/on/sprawled in that

 area, but is there a structural limit.... assuming that whatever

 weight you put back there keeps you in an ok situation as far as

 weight and balance. Also, has anyone found a source for a decent

 strap to fasten to the door to not only use to pull the doors down,

 but also pull them fully closed. Thanks

 

 Don McDonald #40636 Airworthiness done, flight training not quite

 

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Joined: 10 Jan 2008
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Location: Denver

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Baggage Area & Door Straps

Don't forget it's 100 (or 150) lbs times the maximum g-load under flight conditions that the structure has to support.  



Dwight

bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

As far as a strap to pull the door down, I'd think a 10" or so section of

tubular 3/4" nylon webbing, upholstered to match your interior and set to

hard points installed in the door would work just fine...



Bob Brown

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Dick Sipp

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 215
Location: Hope, MI

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

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		  From page two of the weight and balance section of the manual: Baggage 

compartment load limit 150lbs. and is determined by the structural limits of 
	


the baggage floor.



I recently re-weighed my 10 after painting and interior were completed. 

1701 lbs and a CG of 108.6.  This was about 25 lbs. more than I  was hoping 

for but appears to be about average for the fleet.  Looking at many of the 

reported weights below 1650 in Dan's table I am thinking many of these are 

initial weights sans paint and or interiors.  If not, my hat is off to 

anyone completing a 10 with paint and interior at under 1650.



Dick Sipp

N110DV 40065 120 hours





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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

I believe the plans say 100lbs in baggage compartment.



Straps?  I used long leather laces woven together as temp straps.....2  

yrs later they're still temp straps.



I put in simple screen door type handles to help pull in the aft part  

of the door (to ensure aft pin locks) and tied the leather straps to  

them.....



One day I'll find nicer straps (maybe)



grumpy  N184JM



do not archive



On Mar 24, 2009, at 1:55 PM, partner14 wrote:



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 Is there a maximum weight limit on what can go in the baggage  

 area.... I know all of us have spent some time in/on/sprawled in  

 that area, but is there a structural limit.... assuming that  

 whatever weight you put back there keeps you in an ok situation as  

 far as weight and balance.

 Also, has anyone found a source for a decent strap to fasten to the  

 door to not only use to pull the doors down, but also pull them  

 fully closed.

 Thanks



 Don McDonald

 #40636

 Airworthiness done, flight training not quite



 --------

 Don A. McDonald

 40636





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 35998#235998

pascal(at)rv10builder.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

Maybe I'm missing something about the door. I built the door so that the 

rear closes each time when my 5 year closes the door, it's actually pretty 

hard for it not to fit and if it doesn't the door simply wont close and that 

is obvious if it's not right.

Are the issues with the stock Van's plastic or the rivethead door alum door 

guides? I have the iflyrv10 guides and they simply "guide" the door closed.

Pascal



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From: "Miller John" <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>

Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:25 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Baggage Area & Door Straps



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I believe the plans say 100lbs in baggage compartment.



 Straps?  I used long leather laces woven together as temp straps.....2 

 yrs later they're still temp straps.



 I put in simple screen door type handles to help pull in the aft part  of 

 the door (to ensure aft pin locks) and tied the leather straps to 

 them.....



 One day I'll find nicer straps (maybe)



 grumpy  N184JM



 do not archive



 On Mar 24, 2009, at 1:55 PM, partner14 wrote:



> 

> >

>

> Is there a maximum weight limit on what can go in the baggage  area.... I 

> know all of us have spent some time in/on/sprawled in  that area, but is 

> there a structural limit.... assuming that  whatever weight you put back 

> there keeps you in an ok situation as  far as weight and balance.

> Also, has anyone found a source for a decent strap to fasten to the  door 

> to not only use to pull the doors down, but also pull them  fully closed.

> Thanks

>

> Don McDonald

> #40636

> Airworthiness done, flight training not quite

>

> --------

> Don A. McDonald

> 40636

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 35998#235998

>

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Ted French

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 54
Location: Kelowna BC Canada

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

I found a couple of good looking dog leashes at our local pet store.  

Had them shortened with a small loop at the door end, installed with a  

pin to a piece of c channel. Looks good and works well.



Ted

C-FXCS flying



On 24-Mar-09, at 11:55 AM, partner14 wrote:



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 Is there a maximum weight limit on what can go in the baggage  

 area.... I know all of us have spent some time in/on/sprawled in  

 that area, but is there a structural limit.... assuming that  

 whatever weight you put back there keeps you in an ok situation as  

 far as weight and balance.

 Also, has anyone found a source for a decent strap to fasten to the  

 door to not only use to pull the doors down, but also pull them  

 fully closed.

 Thanks



 Don McDonald

 #40636

 Airworthiness done, flight training not quite



 --------

 Don A. McDonald

 40636





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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:54 am Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

I always liked the way the Columbia has its door strap attached.  I will do something similar on my doors.  Probably using a nylon strap, like that found on luggage.  I may wrap the strap in my interior fabric.  Attached is a photo of the Columbia door  strap.

 

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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

That’s exactly what I described…tubular nylon webbing, sewn and upholstered to match your plane, attached at hardpoints.  

   

Bob  

   

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I always liked the way the Columbia has its door strap attached.  I will do something similar on my doors.  Probably using a nylon strap, like that found on luggage.  I may wrap the strap in my interior fabric.  Attached is a photo of the Columbia door  strap.

 

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BrianNC

Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Baggage Area & Door Straps

 	  Space Cadet wrote: 	
		  Don't forget it's 100 (or 150) lbs times the maximum g-load under flight conditions that the structure has to support.  



Dwight 	




Just what I was going to say. It's when that 150lbs. becomes 300lbs. or greater under G loads and causes the structure to fail. That's why there is a limitation.

partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: Baggage Area & Door Straps

Thanks guys for all your comments.  The FAA inspector thought there shoiuld be some limit posted.... and now I'm off to the doggie store to find a leash suitable for my door strap.  I'm figuring I can attach a plate to the door then attach the strap.

  

 I also assume if we were flying at, or close to max gross, or with a few extra bags in the back, that we would fly our aircraft accordingly.... no steep banks, inverted flight, etc.

  

 Thanks again, you guys are great.... except you Pascal......... just kidding!

  

 Don McDonald

  

 Pascal, you making any trips to Spruce in the near future?



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From: BrianNC <EMINI2000(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Baggage Area & Door Straps

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 8:45 AM



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Space Cadet wrote:

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		   Don't forget it's 100 (or 150) lbs times the maximum g-load under flight conditions that the structure has to support.  

 

 Dwight


	




Just what I was going to say. It's when that 150lbs. becomes 300lbs. or greater under G loads and causes the structure to fail. That's why there is a limitation.





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