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Jean Pillaudin

Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Posts: 26
Location: France

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Hi Kolbers,



I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched chute. 

 

I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are:



Max weight: 250kilos

Max opened speed: 170 km/h

Weight 5kilos



See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my thighs, It is fixed to my harness.    

The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner (see NumberThree.jpg) ?   

  

The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use?



  



Bests Regards  

  

Jean PILLAUDIN



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Jean



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Jean Pillaudin

Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Posts: 26
Location: France

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Pffff



The pictures!



2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com (jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com)>

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		   Hi Kolbers,



I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched chute. 

  

I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are:



Max weight: 250kilos

Max opened speed: 170 km/h

Weight 5kilos



See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my thighs, It is fixed to my harness.    

The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner (see NumberThree.jpg) ?   

  

The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use?



  



Bests Regards  

  

Jean PILLAUDIN



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Jean:

  

 I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take  up the extra length of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt.   Secure the fold with a couple nylon tie wraps.  Then secure the folded  section to a tube inside the gap seal.  The end of the bridal, I would  secure the loop aroung the 2" root tube of the airframe behind your head.   That is where I attached my bridal on my Ultrastar.

  

 john h

 mkIII

  

  

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Jean Pillaudin

Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Posts: 26
Location: France

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Thank's a lot John, I need to understand all of your sentences, i need time. I'll reply if something is not clear in my brain =8;O)

  

 Have a good Week-end.

  

 Jean

 2009/3/26 John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

 [quote]  Jean:

  

 I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt.  Secure the fold with a couple nylon tie wraps.  Then secure the folded section to a tube inside the gap seal.  The end of the bridal, I would secure the loop aroung the 2" root tube of the airframe behind your head.  That is where I attached my bridal on my Ultrastar.

   

 john h

 mkIII

  

  

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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:24 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Mon cher M. Pillaudin

Mon Francais, c'est affreuse -- but maybe I can  help.

John  Hauck is probably the most experienced Kolb  pilot in  the world -- and I think all he's saying is for you to arrange, by hand,  the bridle (security belt?) in  a "Z" shape, about 10-12 inches long; put a couple nylon tie-wraps on  to hold it in that shape; then secure this to any convenient place on the airframe, inside the gap seal.

Does your chute have a pilot chute? Sounds to me that a chute without one might not deploy properly, or even  break the tie-wraps. That would not be good. C'est vrai! The pilot chutes that have a big spring inside are the best.

Bonne chance,

Russ K

On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Jean PILLAUDIN wrote:

[quote]Thank's a lot John, I need to understand all of your sentences, i need time. I'll reply if something is not clear in my brain =8;O)

  

 Have a good Week-end.

  

 Jean

 2009/3/26 John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

 [quote]  Jean:

  

 I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt.  Secure the fold with a couple nylon tie wraps.  Then secure the folded section to a tube inside the gap seal.  The end of the bridal, I would secure the loop aroung the 2" root tube of the airframe behind your head.  That is where I attached my bridal on my Ultrastar.

  

 john h

 mkIII

  

  

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Russ and All;

  

 A pilot chute on a hand deployed parachute is neither  needed or required.

  

 When the container holding the parachute is thrown  into the slip stream the part of the attaching bridle that is stowed inside the  container is deployed opening the container allowing the suspension lines to  deploy. Actually the container acts like a pilot chute.

  

 As for breaking the tie wraps, that is no problem what  so ever. When the canopy opens the weight of the airplane will definitely break  those tie wraps and anything else that is the way, even to include streamline  chrome-moly lift struts.

  

 For those that use or plan on using a hand deployed  parachute, I would suggest that if you are right handed, I would throw the  parachute down and to your left. As you normally have more  strength throwing it down than you would trying to toss it  up.  If you are left handed I would throw it in the opposite  direction.

  

 I would also suggest that this procedure be practiced  until it becomes second nature. When the time come to have to use it in real  time, you won't have time to figure out how to throw it.

  

 No, I don't mean throw the danged parachute, just sit  in your plane and go through the motions. May be a good idea every time you fly  to rehearse this procedure.

  

 Worth what you paid for it.

  

 Jim Hauck

  

  

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Dana

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

At 08:07 AM 3/28/2009, Jim Hauck wrote:

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 For those that use or plan on using a hand deployed parachute, I would suggest that if you are right handed, I would throw the parachute down and to your left. As you normally have more strength throwing it down than you would trying to toss it up.  If you are left handed I would throw it in the opposite direction. 	


 You throw it forehand, across your lap?  I would have thought you'd throw it down on the side of the arm you're using.



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		  I would also suggest that this procedure be practiced until it becomes second nature. When the time come to have to use it in real time, you won't have time to figure out how to throw it.

  

 No, I don't mean throw the danged parachute, just sit in your plane and go through the motions. May be a good idea every time you fly to rehearse this procedure. 	


 The paraglider and hang glider guys often have "reserve clinics", where you hang from the harness in a gym somewhere and actually throw the parachute, then a rigger repacks it for you.



 -Dana

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John Hauck

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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand  deployed parachute.  When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were  extremely new, and my poor budget would not allow me to have one.  It took  extra time to get into the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out  of the airplane with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness  connected, and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my  legs.  I often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane  equipped with a ballistic parachute.  So much easier to get in, buckle up,  and take off.  However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained  about the hours that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my  lap.

  

 Brother Jim is correct.  I could best grasp  the handle on top of the pack tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag  out of the pack tray, then throw it out, down and to the left, with both  hands.  I am right handed.  A left hander will probably be able to do  a better job of tossing out the deployment bag down and to the  right.

  

 October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim  could repack my parachute.  Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had  ever practiced deploying it.  I had not.  He told me to put it on, sit  down on the ac unit beside the house, and throw it.  I did.  Seven  days later the parachute saved my life.

  

 john h

  

  

 [quote]   -----  You throw it forehand, across your    lap?  I would have thought you'd throw it down on the side of the arm    you're using.

-Dana



    

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Dana and All;

  

 Yes, you throw it across your body and  down.

  

 Jim Hauck

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

[b]Dana and All;[/b]  

   

[b]Yes, you throw it across your body and down.[/b]  

   

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I am no expert,,,,,   never been there,,,, never done that,,,,,   but,,,,,,   from a sitting position,  across your body and down is the direction “I” would have the most throwing power,,,,  that said,,,,,,, I would route the attaching hardware  so that it will cause the least upset of the plane  and occupants when the chute opens.  I am sure that if used it would be upsetting enough,,,,  but if because of the routing of the attachment bridle  you did an extra 1 ½  flip with 2 ½ twist,,,   don’t get me wrong, that  may still be better than impact at 300 foot per sec…  but a nice smooth opening in as straight and level mode as possible,,,   would be preferable.   But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time.  

   

Boyd Young  

My .02  worth.  

   

   

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

I too had the dubious opportunity of deploying a Handbury (hand deployed) when I failed a wing on the UltraStar.  At the speed I was traveling, throwing it one way or the other would have been like attempting to spit into a hurricane.  All I recall is that when I had opened the velcro flap on the parachute – it was gone and out of sight in an instant.  I am very glad that I didn’t “throw it” into any of the structure where it would have gotten caught in something.  Totally agree - the ballistic is preferable.  

   

Dennis  

         

  

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I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute.  When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my poor budget would not allow me to have one.  It took extra time to get into the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected, and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs.  I often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with a ballistic parachute.  So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off.  However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap.  

    

   

    

Brother Jim is correct.  I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then throw it out, down and to the left, with both hands.  I am right handed.  A left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the deployment bag down and to the right.  

    

   

    

October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute.  Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it.  I had not.  He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the house, and throw it.  I did.  Seven days later the parachute saved my life.  

    

   

    

john h  

    

   

    

   

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

I agree with you.

  

 The primary mission is the get yourself down  safely.  What attitude and the condition of the equipment does not matter  one bit, in a situation like this.  Getting on the ground safely  is.

  

 Both times I used my hand deployed parachute, I  knew I would sacrifice the airplane.  Throwing the deployment bag down and  to the left sent it under the left wing strut.  When I got opening shock,  it broke the round aluminum strut, allowed the left wing to fly up and over the  top of the airplane, and down on  the right wing.  I had 4130  streamlined struts on the FS.  That strut did not break.  I had both  wings fully extended until I went through the tall oak and hickory trees.   Then the left wing folded down a little.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 [quote]     But then again who is to say what attitude you may    be in at the time.

      

    

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Hey John

 What caused you to need the chute each time.?  Congratulations by the way. 

 Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft  strong point , not to youor your seat belt?

 Im interested because I was wondereing if I could  use a paragliders hand thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft

 Tel: 01803 316191

Mob: 07941 313141

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Vinve H:

  

 1-Upper aileron bell crank pulled out of pivot  tube.  Total loss of aileron control on my Ultrastar, immediate aileron  flutter followed, although I was not aware it happened.  Someone on the  ground saw them flutter and told me.  Ultrastar and all the other Kolbs  with standard dihedral are not controlable without ailerons.

  

 2-Leading edge of wing failure, both wings, from  leading edge to the main spar.  Folded up and back.  Firestar would  not fly in that configuration.  Blanked out elevators, rudder, and  ailerons.

  

 250 feet, 75 mph, in the US.  Threw the chute,  got full canopy and full line stretch, parachute and aircraft horizontal, 1/2  occilation down and on the ground.  No injuries to me.  Totalled the  US.

  

 500 feet, 75 mph, in the FS.  Threw the chute,  got full canopy at tree top level, through the trees, and on the ground.   No injuries to me.  Totalled FS.

  

 Having much better luck with the mkIII.   

  

 john h

 mkIII

 [quote]    What caused you to    need the chute each time.? Congratulations by the way. 

   Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft    strong point , not to youor your seat belt?

   Im interested because I was wondereing if I could    use a paragliders hand thrown back up on a sub 115 kg    aircraft

    

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Jean Pillaudin

Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Location: France

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:38 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Hi All,



Thank's a lot to every contributors, these information are very useful for me.



I need time to understand all. Thank's to Russ K. to try in french.



Have fun fly.



Jean



 2009/3/28 Vince Hallam <vince(at)devonwindmills.co.uk (vince(at)devonwindmills.co.uk)>

[quote]          Hey John

 What caused you to need the chute each time.?  Congratulations by the way. 

 Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft  strong point , not to youor your seat belt?

 Im interested because I was wondereing if I could  use a paragliders hand thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft

 Tel: 01803 316191

Mob: 07941 313141

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

<<  zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length of the bridal,  what you refer to as a security belt

  the bridle (security belt?) in  a "Z" shape, about 10-12 inches  long; put a couple nylon tie-wraps on  to hold it in that shape; .. even   break the tie-wraps. >>

  

 Of course, if you use a one-ended zig-zag with  relatively loose tie-wraps, you don't have to break the tie-wraps.  See the  crude diagram:

  

 bridle--------------------     __     __         --------------bridle

                             \    /   \    /    \     /

                             |    |    |    |     |    |



      Tie-Wrap  -->    |    |    |     |    |    |

                            |    |    |    |     |    |

                             |    |    |    |     |    |

      Tie-Wrap  -->    |    |    |     |    |    |

                            |    |    |    |    |     |

                             |__|     |__|    |__|

  

 Tom Kuffel

 Whitefish, MT

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Jean, To brothers Jim and John's advice, I would add this.Before you do anything, take your parachute to a certified rigger and have it evaluated for your purpose. Make sure your parachute has a deployment bag. There were reserve parachutes manufactured without one. A deployment bag is essential to make sure the chute doesn't get snagged on wreckage. 

 Parachutes are sized by the sphere they fit over, not by their area. Many hand deployed parachutes are woefully under sized for the load they will be expected to get to the ground at a survivable descent rate.

 In my case I got the first thing right, I got the chute out and I lived. The second is what got me. When the rigger I took the chute to looked it over he said it wasn't large enough to bring me down alone, much less adding 80 lb. of hang glider and harness. My chute was a 26' with an area of 360 sq. ft. The parachute I fly with now, and have for the last 29 years, is also a 26', but it has 540 sq. ft. of area.

  The first step in a deployment situation is to look for a path through the wreckage and throw the parachute there. Don't worry so much about which hand you use, you must get the 'chute out into clear air. Jim is right about the 'chute not having or needing a pilot 'chute. Because of this, the inertia of the chute after you throw it is all the energy available for popping it out of its deployment bag. Anything that impedes the chute from getting to the end of its bridle line takes away from that energy. Even though I threw it out of the wreckage and saw it go to the end of the bridle line, mine did not come out of the deployment bag until a wing of the now spinning glider caught the bridle line and jerked the chute out. From 800 feet I got at least six turns before deployment. There was just enough time to get line stretch, realize I was coming down far too fast and wham. Spent six weeks in a back brace and eventually ended up an inch shorter when the disk between the two damaged vertebra dissolved and the disks fused. No fun at all.

 



Rick

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

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		          I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand  deployed parachute.  When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were  extremely new, and my poor budget would not allow me to have one.  It took  extra time to get into the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out  of the airplane with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness  connected, and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my  legs.  I often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane  equipped with a ballistic parachute.  So much easier to get in, buckle up,  and take off.  However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained  about the hours that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my  lap.

  

 Brother Jim is correct.  I could best grasp  the handle on top of the pack tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag  out of the pack tray, then throw it out, down and to the left, with both  hands.  I am right handed.  A left hander will probably be able to do  a better job of tossing out the deployment bag down and to the  right.

  

 October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim  could repack my parachute.  Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had  ever practiced deploying it.  I had not.  He told me to put it on, sit  down on the ac unit beside the house, and throw it.  I did.  Seven  days later the parachute saved my life.

  

 john h

  

  

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-Dana



    

	
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

oops, should be vertabra fused.



Rick

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  Jean, To brothers Jim and John's advice, I would add this.Before you do anything, take your parachute to a certified rigger and have it evaluated for your purpose. Make sure your parachute has a deployment bag. There were reserve parachutes manufactured without one. A deployment bag is essential to make sure the chute doesn't get snagged on wreckage. 

  Parachutes are sized by the sphere they fit over, not by their area. Many hand deployed parachutes are woefully under sized for the load they will be expected to get to the ground at a survivable descent rate.

  In my case I got the first thing right, I got the chute out and I lived. The second is what got me. When the rigger I took the chute to looked it over he said it wasn't large enough to bring me down alone, much less adding 80 lb. of hang glider and harness. My chute was a 26' with an area of 360 sq. ft. The parachute I fly with now, and have for the last 29 years, is also a 26', but it has 540 sq. ft. of area.

   The first step in a deployment situation is to look for a path through the wreckage and throw the parachute there. Don't worry so much about which hand you use, you must get the 'chute out into clear air. Jim is right about the 'chute not having or needing a pilot 'chute. Because of this, the inertia of the chute after you throw it is all the energy available for popping it out of its deployment bag. Anything that impedes the chute from getting to the end of its bridle line takes away from that energy. Even though I threw it out of the wreckage and saw it go to the end of the bridle line, mine did not come out of the deployment bag until a wing of the now spinning glider caught the bridle line and jerked the chute out. From 800 feet I got at least six turns before deployment. There was just enough time to get line stretch, realize I was coming down far too fast and wham. Spent six weeks in a back brace and eventually ended up an inch shorter when the disk between the two damaged vertebra dissolved and the disks fused. No fun at all.

  



Rick

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

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		          I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand  deployed parachute.  When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were  extremely new, and my poor budget would not allow me to have one.  It took  extra time to get into the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out  of the airplane with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness  connected, and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my  legs.  I often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane  equipped with a ballistic parachute.  So much easier to get in, buckle up,  and take off.  However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained  about the hours that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my  lap.

  

 Brother Jim is correct.  I could best grasp  the handle on top of the pack tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag  out of the pack tray, then throw it out, down and to the left, with both  hands.  I am right handed.  A left hander will probably be able to do  a better job of tossing out the deployment bag down and to the  right.

  

 October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim  could repack my parachute.  Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had  ever practiced deploying it.  I had not.  He told me to put it on, sit  down on the ac unit beside the house, and throw it.  I did.  Seven  days later the parachute saved my life.

  

 john h

  

  

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		     -----  You throw it forehand, across your    lap?  I would have thought you'd throw it down on the side of the arm    you're using.

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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Tom K:

  

 Not necessary.  Snug down the tie-wraps.   When the canopy opens, there is enough power to pull the kevlar bridal through  aluminum and steel tubing.  The main square tube that ties the main spars  together on the top of the fuselage was flattened by the bridal.  It  wouldn't know the tie-wraps were there.

  

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      Of course, if you use a one-ended zig-zag with    relatively loose tie-wraps, you don't have to break the tie-wraps.  See    the crude diagram:

    

   bridle--------------------     __     __           --------------bridle

                                 \    /   \    /      \     /

                                 |    |    |    |       |    |



        Tie-Wrap    -->    |    |    |       |    |    |

                              |    |    |    |       |    |

                                 |    |    |    |       |    |

        Tie-Wrap    -->    |    |    |       |    |    |

                              |    |    |    |    |       |

                                 |__|     |__|    |__|

    

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Jean Pillaudin

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Location: France

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation

Hi Richard,



Thank's for your advice, there is a pod (deployment bag) the surface (area) is 62 square/meter (670sq.ft) see the picture joined (mine is PD57 CR). 



Via google from italian to english:

 "The product range includes emergencies PARADELTA for free flight (gliding and paragliding) and for single-seater ultra-light aircraft and two-seater capable of satisfying the most varied needs."

http://www.paradelta.it/nuovosito/prodotti/sportivi/emergenze.htm

 

I used to fly glider always with chute (required in French country), and hang-glider too, and the balistic chute is the price of the UL....Then this is my choice. 

 

At the beginning of my participation to this group I ask about the known issue with the frame and Dana answer me there is no issue, if you fly in the enveloppe, and the maintenance is good.



Ultrastar is well born, thank's to Holmer Kolb.

 

Thank's again to John and Jim to give us such testimony. 



I am very proud to fly this Ultralight and to be a part of your community.



Jean



2009/3/28 Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)>

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		  Jean, To brothers Jim and John's advice, I would add this.Before you do anything, take your parachute to a certified rigger and have it evaluated for your purpose. Make sure your parachute has a deployment bag. There were reserve parachutes manufactured without one. A deployment bag is essential to make sure the chute doesn't get snagged on wreckage. 

  Parachutes are sized by the sphere they fit over, not by their area. Many hand deployed parachutes are woefully under sized for the load they will be expected to get to the ground at a survivable descent rate.

  In my case I got the first thing right, I got the chute out and I lived. The second is what got me. When the rigger I took the chute to looked it over he said it wasn't large enough to bring me down alone, much less adding 80 lb. of hang glider and harness. My chute was a 26' with an area of 360 sq. ft. The parachute I fly with now, and have for the last 29 years, is also a 26', but it has 540 sq. ft. of area.

   The first step in a deployment situation is to look for a path through the wreckage and throw the parachute there. Don't worry so much about which hand you use, you must get the 'chute out into clear air. Jim is right about the 'chute not having or needing a pilot 'chute. Because of this, the inertia of the chute after you throw it is all the energy available for popping it out of its deployment bag. Anything that impedes the chute from getting to the end of its bridle line takes away from that energy. Even though I threw it out of the wreckage and saw it go to the end of the bridle line, mine did not come out of the deployment bag until a wing of the now spinning glider caught the bridle line and jerked the chute out. From 800 feet I got at least six turns before deployment. There was just enough time to get line stretch, realize I was coming down far too fast and wham. Spent six weeks in a back brace and eventually ended up an inch shorter when the disk between the two damaged vertebra dissolved and the disks fused. No fun at all.

  



Rick

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

  

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		          I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand  deployed parachute.  When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were  extremely new, and my poor budget would not allow me to have one.  It took  extra time to get into the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out  of the airplane with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness  connected, and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my  legs.  I often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane  equipped with a ballistic parachute.  So much easier to get in, buckle up,  and take off.  However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained  about the hours that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my  lap.

  

 Brother Jim is correct.  I could best grasp  the handle on top of the pack tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag  out of the pack tray, then throw it out, down and to the left, with both  hands.  I am right handed.  A left hander will probably be able to do  a better job of tossing out the deployment bag down and to the  right.

  

 October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim  could repack my parachute.  Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had  ever practiced deploying it.  I had not.  He told me to put it on, sit  down on the ac unit beside the house, and throw it.  I did.  Seven  days later the parachute saved my life.

  

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