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PMorel

Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Locust Grove, GA USA

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

Hi

   Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?

   Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?

   What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?

   

   I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.

 Thanks

 Paul



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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

Paul,



Do you have a Model IV or V?





 Rick Weiss

N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

SkyStar S/N 1

Port Orange, FL



 



On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, teresa, paul morel wrote:

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		  Hi

  Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?

  Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?

  What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?

 

  I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.

Thanks

Paul



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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

My DAR was only concerned with 2 placards.  The first is the Passenger notification statement and the second was the compass correction card (not really a placard, but close enough for government work:-)

 Rick Weiss

N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

SkyStar S/N 1

Port Orange, FL



 



On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, teresa, paul morel wrote:

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		  Hi

  Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?

  Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?

  What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?

 

  I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.

Thanks

Paul



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PMorel

Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Locust Grove, GA USA

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

Rick

 Model IV Speedster

 Paul



 

   From: Weiss Richard <MDKitfox(at)aol.com>

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Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:57:24 PM

Subject: Re: V-Speed question and placard question



Paul, 



 Do you have a Model IV or V?

 



 



      Rick Weiss

 N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

 SkyStar S/N 1

 Port Orange, FL



  On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, teresa, paul morel wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		     Hi

   Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?

   Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?

   What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?

  

   I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.

 Thanks

 Paul



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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: V-Speed question and placard question

Paul asked:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster? 

Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds? 

What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel? 	


You will determine the V speeds for your Kitfox during Phase one flight testing.  I think Kitfox LLC sells a "Fill in the blanks" Pilot's handbook that has examples of V speeds.  For my first few test flights I wrote those on a little piece of paper scotch taped to the panel...Best climb, stall, approach, best glide.



The only Cabin/cockpit placards listed as required on EAA's  web site homebuilders section are the passenger warning and compass card.

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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

At 10:48 AM 3/29/2009, you wrote:

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		     Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?


	


I will try to remember to get Ed Down's book out of the Hangar this 

week. He's got most of the V speeds in it. Obviously some have to be 

determined during flight test, such as Vs, Vx, Vy, Va, and best glide.



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		     Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?


	


No



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		     What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?


	


I'm trying to remember the source but there's a note saying that the 

function of every control must be labeled. You're also required to 

have the experimental passenger warning posted somewhere in sight. 

(You can get stick-ons of this at Aircraft Spruce. They need not be 

on the panel.) I labeled everything, even silly things like the 

thottle, which says "push to go" I had the room, the labels were 

small, and it made my somewhat barren panel look better.





Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting

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Paul A. Franz, P.E.

Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 280
Location: Bellevue WA

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

On Sun, March 29, 2009 8:17 pm, Guy Buchanan wrote:

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		   (You can get stick-ons of this at Aircraft Spruce. They need not be

 on the panel.) I labeled everything, even silly things like the

 thottle, which says "push to go" I had the room, the labels were

 small, and it made my somewhat barren panel look better.


	


Very good! I once rode in a Beaver and the throttle was labeled



Push - Loud

108 KIAS Max



Owner told me that when on floats it was the loudness control only. It would only go

108 KIAS, pushing it in farther only increased loudness and fuel flow, not airspeed.

-- 

Paul A. Franz

Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

Bellevue WA

425.241.1618 Cell



"The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our

own money for unexplained projects, forbids it in the dispensation

of the public moneys. ... The multiplication of public offices,

increase of expense beyond income, growth and entailment of a public

debt, are indications soliciting the employment of the pruning

knife. ... We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.

.. The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under

the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale. ...

If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the

people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become

happy. ... I think we have more machinery of government than is

necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the

industrious. ... The natural progress of things is for liberty to

yield and government to gain ground. ... [A] wise and frugal

government...shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall

leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry

and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the

bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. ...

Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with government of

himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or

have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let

history answer this question."



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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

At 10:48 AM 3/29/2009, you wrote:

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		     Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?


	


Well I finally got out to the airport to recover Ed Downs' "Kitfox 

Pilot's Guide" only to find there's no listing of performance 

information for a Speedster. Bummer. Here's what I have for a Kitfox Classic 4:



Vfe = 70 mph. Vno = 95 mph. Vne = 125 mph.



Now I have been told that Vne for a Speedster is 140 mph, but I have 

no data to confirm that. Obviously the others may be quite different as well.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting

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Deceased K-IV 1200
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

Paul,



I finally found the reference I was looking for.  I have the POH for the Series 5 aircraft.  It lists various speeds some of which you will determine/verify during flight test and others that are limitations.  Although these are for a Series V, they are for 1200 and 1400 pound aircraft gross weights so they may be usable as a ballpark for your model IV.  (The 1200 lbs gross is for the clipped wing version.)  All speeds are for a 912 Rotax and all speeds are in miles per hour.

Vne = 140

Vfe  = 80

Va 1200 lbs = 107

Va 1400 lbs = 109

Vno = 120

Vy 1200 lbs = 65

Vy 1400 lbs = 70

Vx 1200 lbs = 63

Vx 1400 lbs = 64

Vso 1200 lbs = 46

Vso 1400 lbs = 48

Hope this helps.

 Rick Weiss

N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

SkyStar S/N 1

Port Orange, FL



 



On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, teresa, paul morel wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hi

  Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?

  Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?

  What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?

 

  I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.

Thanks

Paul



 	  Quote: 	
		  



tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List

cs.com

matronics.com/contribution



	


	


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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: V-Speed question and placard question

From my POH published by Skystar, revision date of 19 July 1994, it  

says for the Speedster:



Vne 140 mph

Vfe     70 mph

Vno  108 mph



These are printed on pages 2-6 and 2-7 under "Airspeed Limitations"



On these two pages, there have been applied stickers which obviously  

are meant to supersede something which was printed there before.  

Master sleuth that I am though, I was able to hold the pages up to  

the light and see that there were no changes to the Speedster's numbers.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs

Sensenich 62x46

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Status: flying





On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Weiss Richard wrote:



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		   Paul,



 I finally found the reference I was looking for.  I have the POH  

 for the Series 5 aircraft.  It lists various speeds some of which  

 you will determine/verify during flight test and others that are  

 limitations.  Although these are for a Series V, they are for 1200  

 and 1400 pound aircraft gross weights so they may be usable as a  

 ballpark for your model IV.  (The 1200 lbs gross is for the clipped  

 wing version.)  All speeds are for a 912 Rotax and all speeds are  

 in miles per hour.



 Vne = 140

 Vfe  = 80

 Va 1200 lbs = 107

 Va 1400 lbs = 109

 Vno = 120

 Vy 1200 lbs = 65

 Vy 1400 lbs = 70

 Vx 1200 lbs = 63

 Vx 1400 lbs = 64

 Vso 1200 lbs = 46

 Vso 1400 lbs = 48



 Hope this helps.



 Rick Weiss

 N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

 SkyStar S/N 1

 Port Orange, FL





 On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, teresa, paul morel wrote:



> Hi

>   Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?

>   Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?

>   What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?

>

>   I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't  

> want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.

> Thanks

> Paul

> tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List cs.com matronics.com/ 

> contribution

>



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