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fritzsch(at)eskimo.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.  

While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.  

This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their 

fuselage.  If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go 

for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?



Dave



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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

QB Wings



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

I'll counter that with QB Fuse. Depends on if you like

building or like flying.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Bob and Karen Brown wrote:

[quote] 

 

 QB Wings

 

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rv(at)thelefflers.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

I don't think you'll get much debate.  QB Wings over QB fuselage.  



The fuselage goes together quicker and is more interesting (i.e. less

repetitive work).  The fuselage requires less proseal too!  (i.e fuel tanks

are built in the QB wings)



I think a better question to ask is what will be the quality level of the

QBs with the new factory?  Unfortunately, nobody will know that answer until

this summer when they start to ship.



I'm doing a standard build of both.



bob



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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

Depends on how much you want to build, I would go SB the whole way, as I 

did, you lose so much of the building experience getting the QB. If you are 

sold on one or the other the fuselage requires more work than the wings did, 

the only section in the wings that are a challenge is the fuel tanks and 

that just requires an attention to detail, if you are meticulous in applying 

the proseal that section can be fun as well and really no big deal.

So if in a rush, get the fusellage QB if not do the SB and enjoy the 

building process.

Pascal



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From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:25 AM

To: "RV-10 Matronics" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?



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 <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>



 I am working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed. 

 While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.  This 

 question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their 

 fuselage.  If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you go 

 for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild fuselage?



 Dave



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 Dave Fritzsche

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 Puyallup, WA

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

Gee, I don't know.  I've met more than a handful of people

so far with leaky rivets on fuel tanks from QB Wings.  I'd

never want to have my tanks built there based on what I've

seen so far in that respect.   But, you're right, based

on the new Philippines issues, it may be safest just to

skip all the QB stuff and do it all yourself.  You'd save

enough to buy or almost buy a GNS-430W while you're doing it.



As far as I'm concerned though, the proseal job of

building tanks may suck, but it certainly is bearable

and it's over pretty quick...I'd do it again no

problem.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Bob Leffler wrote:

[quote] 

 

 I don't think you'll get much debate.  QB Wings over QB fuselage.  

 

 The fuselage goes together quicker and is more interesting (i.e. less

 repetitive work).  The fuselage requires less proseal too!  (i.e fuel tanks

 are built in the QB wings)

 

 I think a better question to ask is what will be the quality level of the

 QBs with the new factory?  Unfortunately, nobody will know that answer until

 this summer when they start to ship.

 

 I'm doing a standard build of both.

 

 bob

 

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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

The reason I said wings is...that's the part that's flying, it's the

majority of rivets.  I've bought two sets of QB wings...both were almost

flawless.  I can't do that good of riveting myself...I went QB all the way

on my -7A.  On the 10, went QB wing...happy with that, but would have been

fine either way really.  I'd say look at a QB wing if you can...then look at

a first timers wing...make your choice.



Bob



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sstella(at)incisaledge.co
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

I just ordered slow build wings and I'm fine with slow build all the way but

it depends on how fast you want to finish. I heard of issues with leaking

quickbuild tanks in the past. I don't know if it has been resolved but that

might be something to consider.

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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

I don't know what percentage of QB tanks leak vs SB or "owner built"...but I

can't believe it can be much different.  With over 50 RV's based at this

airpark and in my own experiences of being around people who have finished

up their planes and fueled and flown...I just don't see a huge difference in

how many leak...QB vs SB.  I've seen just a few leakers from each type, but

I don't really see a chronic problem either way.  Chalk up my QB tanks

(knocking on wood now) and everyone I know around me as non leakers.  The

only leakers I know of around here (total of maybe six) except one or two

have all been owner built tanks.



Bob



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

Both QB, of course I got the early QB wings and fuselage. Also I put every

rivet in the Glastar project so don't need the additional experience. 



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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

I wish I hadn't ordered a QB fuse (Or wings for that matter) last

December.



I'm feeling like July or August is optimistic at this time.  I really

wish I had ordered parts only.



I'd cancel my order now, but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If I cancel, I'm starting over from scratch 5 months late and I might be

getting a QB fuse in a few months.  A fuse completed to QB status is

more than 3-6 months of work for me to do.  So it's a catch 22.



If I was ordering again, I'd just order the parts.  Regardless of wings

or fuse.



Phil



 



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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

Simple math:



Wings = 2

Wing Fuel Tanks = 2



Fuse = 1

Fuse Fuel Tanks = 0



QB wings, SB Fuse IMHO.



Robin

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

Have you had any updates on the QB delivery time? My order is a couple months behind yours.



On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com (Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com (Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com)>

  

 I wish I hadn't ordered a QB fuse (Or wings for that matter) last

 December.

 

 I'm feeling like July or August is optimistic at this time.  I really

 wish I had ordered parts only.

 

 I'd cancel my order now, but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 If I cancel, I'm starting over from scratch 5 months late and I might be

 getting a QB fuse in a few months.  A fuse completed to QB status is

 more than 3-6 months of work for me to do.  So it's a catch 22.

 

 If I was ordering again, I'd just order the parts.  Regardless of wings

 or fuse.

 

 Phil

 



 

 



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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

Dave,



The SB wings are largely repetition - 2 essentially identical parts.

Each of them have a lot of ribs.  There is nothing at all complex about

building the wings - imagine a much larger scale version of the H-stab.

Fuel tanks aren't that difficult either, just messy.  They're also

almost identical to the outboard leading edge assemblies, except for the

proseal 



The SB fuselage is a lot more involved - longerons to be bent/twisted,

lower forward/aft cabin skins to be rolled around a hardwood form, etc.

The fuselage requires a lot more head scratching than the wings.



Just depends on why you're considering QB - if it's to avoid complex

construction go with the QB fuselage, if it's to avoid a lot of

repetitious, mundane type of building then go with QB wings.



Bob

N442PM (flying)

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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: Which Quickbuild Would You Recommend?

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Maybe it just comes down to why you are building. Build everything yourself  if you can. If you are short on time, because of age or because of "life  happening", then consider quick build. I say "consider quick build" because in a  perfect world the quick builds would be, well, perfect but we know they have  their short comings. Many building starts end with incompletions. If quick  builds will make the difference between not finishing and flying a mostly self  constructed plane, then the answer is obvious. 

  

 Roger

 Flying a most awesome beast!

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I am    working on my elevators and thinking about how I want to proceed.     

While I may go all self built, I want to consider all of my options.     

This question is mainly for those who are flying or have finished their    

fuselage.  If you had to make a choice of one or the other, would you    go



for the quickbuild wings or the quickbuild    fuselage?



Dave



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