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rvdave

Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Posts: 191

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: Where do I start?

I purchased a QB 10 from a prior builder, the empenage is complete to the tips along with the wings being complete with control linkages.  The fuselage is untouched.  I've been going through the plans and I'm indecisive about where to start on the fuselage because I don't want to get ahead of myself with doing too much to the floor area.  I believe I have to eventually drill the pop rivets out of the floor area before attaching the steps but would like to get some feedback from experienced builders who have been to this stage and have some wisdom about which path to take first...thanks for your help.  I don't yet have the finish kit.  I'm stuck and need a little push.



1.  Should I first remove pop rivets from floor area and completely loosen to have access to all areas?



2.  Start building control linkages working my way aft?



3.  Do as much as I can before attaching tailcone to fuselage?



4.  Since steps came with fuselage kit should I attach those first then close floor area?

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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: Where do I start?

If it were ME, you bet I'd drill out those pop rivets in the floor

area...just so you see what's in there and can take pics, etc.  QB or not,

you need to look in there, and...you'll have to install steps.  Also in the

chicken/egg scenario, you need to have a rough idea of what kind of wiring

design you're going to use...and you want to have a way to get wiring where

you want it, be it conduit runs or just secured wire runs.  Spend time

planning what kind of electrical or systems installs you want to do and how

you're going to do them.  Get as much of that stuff done in subassemblies as

possible.



If it were ME, I'd also do as much as I could before attaching the tailcone,

smaller pieces are easier to work on and you can build some skills up on

them.  When you have attached the tailcone and gotten your wiring routes

down, you'll be at the awkward stage I'm at.  I can't finish the baggage

door frame until I put the baggage floor in...and the steps get bolted on

under the baggage floor.  To tell you the truth, I like the access I

currently have with the baggage floor removed, but the next chores ahead

will be pulling wires through conduits and finishing the battery cable and

static tube runs.  When that's done, the steps are going on and the baggage

floor is going in, then the baggage door area can be finished up.



You can build all the pushtubes, if you have not done that.



I hope that gives you some sense of order.  Planning and understanding how

you want the finished product to be will keep you from painting yourself

into any corners...which is not hard to do.  Ask lots of questions.



Bob



Do not archive



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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 514
Location: Nevada

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:29 am Post subject: Where do I start?

All of Bob's comments are good. Especially the ones about the wire runs in the baggage area. This is a real bug-a-bo if neglected now. (I hope that the wings are open or that the wire runs are in there also!



I hate to see you drilling out all those rivets, but it may not be avoidable.

One of the weaknesses of the kit in my humble opinion is the buttoned up baggage floors. I would nut plate the whole area like Cessna does if I were starting over again. I compromised and put a small nut-plated hatch in over the bolt for the steps. This gives you visibility for an inspection. Another solution would be to order new back floors and cut out only the outboard areas on both sides. You could nut plate as needed and lay in your conduit and wires. Just overlap the floor panels.



I ordered Van's wire kit at the point you are at. I did not use all of it, but it saved me a lot of effort and helped in the planning process. Good luck

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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: Where do I start?

I would think that you want to remove the baggage floor immediately (along with most of the screw on panels) and set them aside for awhile.  The baggage floor panels are just 'tack' riveted in place anyway.  



Not to be confused with the passenger compartment floors.  You have a decision to make with those as to whether you want to remove and inspect or trust the QB builder and simply finish the riveting at some point later.  It's a significant bit of work to remove these panels due to the landing gear support and the tight fit.  I left them in.  



With baggage floor out, you have to build up the tailcone (assuming you have riveting skills, very straight forward).  Then attach it all together.  Others have made the point about getting wiring and controls in place as early as possible.  I think getting the tail attached is first, then start your wiring and controls.  As late as possible after the wiring and controls, put your step on and close up the baggage floor.  You'll know it's the right time when you just can't think of anything else to go in there.



Have fun!

Bill "missing his shop while attending some family stuff" Watson



---- rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I purchased a QB 10 from a prior builder, the empenage is complete to the tips along with the wings being complete with control linkages.  The fuselage is untouched.  I've been going through the plans and I'm indecisive about where to start on the fuselage because I don't want to get ahead of myself with doing too much to the floor area.  I believe I have to eventually drill the pop rivets out of the floor area before attaching the steps but would like to get some feedback from experienced builders who have been to this stage and have some wisdom about which path to take first...thanks for your help.  I don't yet have the finish kit.  I'm stuck and need a little push.

 

 1.  Should I first remove pop rivets from floor area and completely loosen to have access to all areas?

 

 2.  Start building control linkages working my way aft?

 

 3.  Do as much as I can before attaching tailcone to fuselage?

 

 4.  Since steps came with fuselage kit should I attach those first then close floor area?

 

 --------

 Dave Ford

 RV6 flying

 RV10 building

 Lake City, MI

 based at CAD

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 38437#238437

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mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: Where do I start?

I would think that you want to remove the baggage floor immediately (along with most of the screw on panels) and set them aside for awhile.  The baggage floor panels are just 'tack' riveted in place anyway.  



Not to be confused with the passenger compartment floors.  You have a decision to make with those as to whether you want to remove and inspect or trust the QB builder and simply finish the riveting at some point later.  It's a significant bit of work to remove these panels due to the landing gear support and the tight fit.  I left them in.  



With baggage floor out, you have to build up the tailcone (assuming you have riveting skills, very straight forward).  Then attach it all together.  Others have made the point about getting wiring and controls in place as early as possible.  I think getting the tail attached is first, then start your wiring and controls.  As late as possible after the wiring and controls, put your step on and close up the baggage floor.  You'll know it's the right time when you just can't think of anything else to go in there.



Have fun!

Bill "missing his shop while attending some family stuff" Watson



---- rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I purchased a QB 10 from a prior builder, the empenage is complete to the tips along with the wings being complete with control linkages.  The fuselage is untouched.  I've been going through the plans and I'm indecisive about where to start on the fuselage because I don't want to get ahead of myself with doing too much to the floor area.  I believe I have to eventually drill the pop rivets out of the floor area before attaching the steps but would like to get some feedback from experienced builders who have been to this stage and have some wisdom about which path to take first...thanks for your help.  I don't yet have the finish kit.  I'm stuck and need a little push.

 

 1.  Should I first remove pop rivets from floor area and completely loosen to have access to all areas?

 

 2.  Start building control linkages working my way aft?

 

 3.  Do as much as I can before attaching tailcone to fuselage?

 

 4.  Since steps came with fuselage kit should I attach those first then close floor area?

 

 --------

 Dave Ford

 RV6 flying

 RV10 building

 Lake City, MI

 based at CAD

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 38437#238437

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mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: Where do I start?

I would think that you want to remove the baggage floor immediately (along with most of the screw on panels) and set them aside for awhile.  The baggage floor panels are just 'tack' riveted in place anyway.  



Not to be confused with the passenger compartment floors.  You have a decision to make with those as to whether you want to remove and inspect or trust the QB builder and simply finish the riveting at some point later.  It's a significant bit of work to remove these panels due to the landing gear support and the tight fit.  I left them in.  



With baggage floor out, you have to build up the tailcone (assuming you have riveting skills, very straight forward).  Then attach it all together.  Others have made the point about getting wiring and controls in place as early as possible.  I think getting the tail attached is first, then start your wiring and controls.  As late as possible after the wiring and controls, put your step on and close up the baggage floor.  You'll know it's the right time when you just can't think of anything else to go in there.



Have fun!

Bill "missing his shop while attending some family stuff" Watson



---- rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I purchased a QB 10 from a prior builder, the empenage is complete to the tips along with the wings being complete with control linkages.  The fuselage is untouched.  I've been going through the plans and I'm indecisive about where to start on the fuselage because I don't want to get ahead of myself with doing too much to the floor area.  I believe I have to eventually drill the pop rivets out of the floor area before attaching the steps but would like to get some feedback from experienced builders who have been to this stage and have some wisdom about which path to take first...thanks for your help.  I don't yet have the finish kit.  I'm stuck and need a little push.

 

 1.  Should I first remove pop rivets from floor area and completely loosen to have access to all areas?

 

 2.  Start building control linkages working my way aft?

 

 3.  Do as much as I can before attaching tailcone to fuselage?

 

 4.  Since steps came with fuselage kit should I attach those first then close floor area?

 

 --------

 Dave Ford

 RV6 flying

 RV10 building

 Lake City, MI

 based at CAD

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 38437#238437

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Dick Sipp

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 215
Location: Hope, MI

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: Where do I start?

Dave:



I agree with  everyone else that said the temporary floor installation 

should come out.



Following that, I would start at the beginning of the instructions and check 

off/inspect everything that has been done, then

start building as you come to incomplete areas.  The instructions are 

written in a logical order and while you do have some options

following them in order will keep you from building yourself into a corner 

or forgetting something that will be hard to go back to.



The big choices regarding when to do things will come as you complete the 

forward upper fuselage section and deciding where to mount the

various avionics and electrical components that can be installed behind the 

panel.



Good luck.



Dick Sipp

N110DV 130 hours



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