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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: Phase I

Is it possible/legal as a student pilot to be signed off for solo flight in ones own RV10 during the fly off of phase I?   That would enable the checkride to be performed in the RV10 as well.  Cross training with Alex has already been completed.   

A CFI with 350 hours of RV10 time, and 4900 hours total time would be doing the signoff.

Don

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: Phase I

Anything is possible

Legal yes

Prudent - probably not



I would think the problem would be with the insurance company.  Can you 

get insurance for a solo student pilot in the 10?



Larry

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 Is it possible/legal as a student pilot to be signed off for solo flight in ones own RV10 during the fly off of phase I?   That would enable the checkride to be performed in the RV10 as well.  Cross training with Alex has already been completed.   

 A CFI with 350 hours of RV10 time, and 4900 hours total time would be doing the signoff.

 Don



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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: Phase I

Unless you get a change to the standard operating limitations, only one

pilot is allowed in the RV10 during phase I testing and fly off. A change is

possible maybe , but likely not. N289DT received an inspection by the FAA

Airworthiness employee, not a DAR, and I believe got some exception but then

he had a private license and he still rolled it into a ball five months

after first flight 



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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: Phase I

Possibly cheaper to buy or partner in a 152/172 than insure a 10 with

minimal experience. Yes RV's are fantastic to fly but that does not make

them slow enough for many student and low time pilots. I know for sure

my 6A gear would NEVER hold up to the punishment a low time pilot can

put on them. Bend the nose wheel ($) and look what hits next. Oh the

prop ($$). Now what's connected to the prop? Engine overhaul anyone

($$$)? I count a total of 6 $ signs.

If you happen to damage your plane not only will it cost you with

insurance etc... but you will be down with no plane to fly till it is

airworthy. Then you will have to rent a plane to fly while yours is

being repaired. If you are going to have to rent anyway why not do it

the other way around. Learn hard lessons in theirs before you fly yours.

While I am not a fan of Cessna's the engineer that designed their main

gears deserves an award. 

Please keep in mind that every time you fill out an insurance

application you may have to recite the time you blah, blah, blah... and

placed a claim. It can haunt you for decades. 



Robin

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: Phase I

Don,



There are some people who I've spoken to since Dan Lloyd put

his plane in the ground and we feel that no matter how much

we cringe to have to say it, we feel responsible to at least

speak up when we think the need arises.  I know Stein and

myself both feel like kicking ourselves for not trying

harder with Dan.  But anyway, please....don't be in a rush.

Just learn to fly and get your certificate, THEN fly your

RV-10.  We will all feel very bad if something tragic happens.

Dan had somewhere around 200 hours when he crashed, and

the afternoon before he died he expressed how much more

of a handful his RV-10 was than that Cherokee he used to

fly.



In response to David, I do not believe Dan had special

permission from the FAA for having a 2nd person aboard.

I believe he knew that what he was doing was wrong.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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partner14 wrote:

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 Is it possible/legal as a student pilot to be signed off for solo flight in ones own RV10 during the fly off of phase I?   That would enable the checkride to be performed in the RV10 as well.  Cross training with Alex has already been completed.   

 A CFI with 350 hours of RV10 time, and 4900 hours total time would be doing the signoff.

 Don

 

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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:47 pm Post subject: Phase I

I think you give good advice on this Tim.

Don, get the license in a slow plane, it will give you more time to think 

about what you need to do and time to recover from mistakes, Phase 1 is for 

testing the plane not the pilot.

You flew with Alex, that is a great start, I suggest you get the license 

with the CFI and than keep that CFI and spend a few more hours in your 

neighbors RV-10 with that CFI, once the CFI signs you off as being ready 

THAN get in your plane and solo around the pattern, remember your testing 

the plane, assume something will go wrong when you do the solo and as long 

as you and the CFI  can say you're ready for anything than you'll be ready.

Pascal



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From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:01 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Phase I



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 Don,



 There are some people who I've spoken to since Dan Lloyd put

 his plane in the ground and we feel that no matter how much

 we cringe to have to say it, we feel responsible to at least

 speak up when we think the need arises.  I know Stein and

 myself both feel like kicking ourselves for not trying

 harder with Dan.  But anyway, please....don't be in a rush.

 Just learn to fly and get your certificate, THEN fly your

 RV-10.  We will all feel very bad if something tragic happens.

 Dan had somewhere around 200 hours when he crashed, and

 the afternoon before he died he expressed how much more

 of a handful his RV-10 was than that Cherokee he used to

 fly.



 In response to David, I do not believe Dan had special

 permission from the FAA for having a 2nd person aboard.

 I believe he knew that what he was doing was wrong.



 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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 partner14 wrote:

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> Is it possible/legal as a student pilot to be signed off for solo flight 

> in ones own RV10 during the fly off of phase I?   That would enable the 

> checkride to be performed in the RV10 as well.  Cross training with Alex 

> has already been completed.   A CFI with 350 hours of RV10 time, and 4900 

> hours total time would be doing the signoff.

> Don

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> Read this topic online here:

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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 38421#238421

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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject: Phase I

I would strongly recommend against it as a RV-10 is a much different beast than a trainer aircraft and it's a lot easier to get behind in a -10 than a trainer.  Also, don't forget you need an HP endorsement under FAR 61.31(f) which is something, in my opinion, no instructor should be giving to a student pilot.



http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySectLookup/61.31



Michael



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: Phase I

Hey Michael......"The tree of life can be self pruning".

  



  John Cox



 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

Sent: Tue 4/14/2009 1:18 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Phase I

  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>



 I would strongly recommend against it as a RV-10 is a much different beast than a trainer aircraft and it's a lot easier to get behind in a -10 than a trainer.  Also, don't forget you need an HP endorsement under FAR 61.31(f) which is something, in my opinion, no instructor should be giving to a student pilot.



http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySectLookup/61.31



Michael



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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: Phase I

Sometimes the tree of life prunes others at the same time…  

   

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox

 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:53 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Phase I  

  

  

       

Hey Michael......"The tree of life can be self pruning".  

    

   

  

      

John Cox  

  

    

       

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Tue 4/14/2009 1:18 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Phase I  

    

--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>

 

  I would strongly recommend against it as a RV-10 is a much different beast than a trainer aircraft and it's a lot easier to get behind in a -10 than a trainer.  Also, don't forget you need an HP endorsement under FAR 61.31(f) which is something, in my opinion, no instructor should be giving to a student pilot.

 

 http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySectLookup/61.31

 

 Michael

 

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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: Phase I

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