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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: Kolb List Re: q

Thom- Last summer there was a visit to Bradley by several old WWII planes.  Collings Foundation arranged it, and they included a B-24, B-17, B-25 or -26, and a dual seat P-51 (I think a "D" version).  If I remember, it was $3,200 an hour for the P-51.  Check their web site.  I couldn't afford a flight in any of them, but did stay around when they all left together.  Unforgettable.  They were flying over my house for a couple of days- very low (I am one mile off the end of the runway).

  

                                                Bill Sullivan

                                                Windsor Locks, Ct.

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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
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Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb List Re: q

I believe you can still  get a ride in the EAA's B-17.I took the ride and at that time they even let you fly it for a bit! I have .4 hrs B-17G transition time in my log book ! It also came with a beautiful  flight jacket.It cost $500.00 and it was the Best money I ever spent ! I would recommend it to anyone !Even now it brings a smile to my face !



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:32 am Post subject: Kolb List Re: q

get a ride in the EAA's B-17.I>>



I saw a B17 and a Liberator during a tour they did of Florida some years 

ago. One of the guys doing the tour in the B17 had done a few ops. and as I 

was able to identify a `G` and knew they had been basesd in Framlingham in 

the UK he recognised a fellow flyer and he was obviously relieved to be able 

to talk to someone who had at least an inkling what it was all about.



A visitor walking through the fuselage stopped and tapped the alloy skin and 

said `Is that all you had to keep the bullets out?`  The crewmans eyes 

rolled in his head and his eyebrows crawled up his forehead but very 

professionally he said "Thats just to keep the weather out,Sir" Then he 

caught my eye and we both creased up.



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: Kolb List Re: q

(I think a "D" version).  If I remember, it  was $3,200 an hour for the P-51.  Check their web site.  I couldn't  afford a flight in any of them,>>

  

 Hi Bill,

  

 allowing for general price increase that would jibe  OK with my £1500. Yes it was a "D".

  

 No,I couldn`t afford it either but it seems cheap  now.

  

 Pat

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ces308

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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Kolb List Re: q

A "G" model 17 has the chin turret .When I took the ride in it ,all I could think of is the fact that they were in these airplanes for 8-10 hrs a time ,at deafening levels of sound and bullets flying through it...it was an incredibly awe inspiring experience .If you can ever get the chance...TAKE IT !



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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: Kolb List Re: q

A "G" model 17 has the chin turret .When I took the ride in it ,all I could 

think of is the fact that they were in these airplanes for 8-10 hrs a time 

,at deafening levels of sound and bullets flying through it>>



That chin turret was I think added because the Germans soon learned that the 

B-17 gunners couldn`t cover the front and they then launched head on 

attacks,jinking up or down at the last moment and flying through the 

formation. Damned scary and brave.



Regarding the noise.  A few years ago I managed to get on a Lancaster while 

she taxied and those 4 Merlins and the great props. just outside the pilots 

position made an incredible din. What it must have been like when she hit 

full chat for a fully loaded takeoff run  defeats the imagination.



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: Kolb List Re: q

> That chin turret was I think added because the Germans

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 Pat


	


Is this still the Kolb Builders and Flyers List?  Or have I picked the wrong 

channel again?



john h

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:38 am Post subject: Kolb List Re: q

Is this still the Kolb Builders and Flyers List?  Or have I picked the wrong

channel again?



Hi John,

I knew it would be you!. I was waiting for someone to crack the whip. You 

are quite right, things have got a bit off topic the last few days. Back to 

the grindstone.



I am also on a Jazz list and there is always someone complaining that we are 

discussing the wrong things. As no`one can even define jazz you can see that 

there is a lot of room for argument. Someone said that a List is like a Club 

bar. Everyone probably has the same basic interest but they are not all 

discussing the same aspect. If you don`t like what is being discussed in 

this group, just move further down the bar.

Personally I am up to here with `b****y  filters and I couldn`t care less if 

they are foam or paper but I wouldn`t think of saying so.



Cheers



Pat

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject: Kolb List Re: q

> Personally I am up to here with `b****y  filters and I couldn`t care less 

if

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		   they are foam or paper but I wouldn`t think of saying so.



 Cheers



 Pat


	




I'm sorry you feel that way about air filters.  I guess the b****y filters 

are something you all use over there.  Haven't run across any of them over 

here.



I didn't make the rules for the Kolb List.  Matt Dralle did.  He owns it.  I 

think it is Matt that sends out the operating guidelines each month, not me.



I can only speak for myself, one among many.



john h

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