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bmoorhouse
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 Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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I apologise in advance if this is incorrect but this a repeat of a post I made in the Rotax Engine List which may be answered by someone with a Europa in the UK.
My ROTAX 914 is due (well actually overdue) for the mandatory 5 year replacement of rubber hoses, carburettor rubber parts etc. and I have a jaw dropping kit price from the UK Rotax distributor of £661.25 for the parts 
This seems ludicrously expensive. Some of the parts maybe Rotax specific (e.g. the carb mounting rubbers ?) but many of them are "off the shelf" from other suppliers - e,g the Bing carburettor diaphragms, standard 12mm vacuum oil hose etc. and a rough total cost for buying these would be less than half the "official" Rotax spares.
Now as far as the LAA are concerned is it OK to use these totally compatible and standard parts or would they be regarded as "modifications" as they are not "true" Rotax spares.
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frans(at)paardnatuurlijk.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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bmoorhouse wrote:
| Quote: | I apologise in advance if this is incorrect but this a repeat of a
post I made in the Rotax Engine List which may be answered by someone
with a Europa in the UK.
My ROTAX 914 is due (well actually overdue) for the mandatory 5 year
replacement of rubber hoses, carburettor rubber parts etc. and I have
a jaw dropping kit price from the UK Rotax distributor of £661.25
for the parts
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Sorry, couldn't resist. Just for your amusement, here is a message I
received yesterday from the Thielert list, about the same subject:
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my Centurion 1.7 in my C172 is now 5 years old and at the same time 300 h.
OK, most of you will laugh now, I know. But wait, because I have some
information which might wipe away your laughter:
I have to exchange gear, coupling HP-pump, alternator and so on. I have
payed 7000 Euro in advance for this parts 3 weeks ago, still we have no
parts. (I live only 80km from Thielert home base Lichtenstein but is
looks like it is as far as from US.)
Now comes the hammer: After 5 Years all rubber hoses have to be
exchanged.
I have received an offer for one hose set for Centurion 1.7,
6283,07 € inkl. VAT for 24 rubber hoses!
So I have to pay allready more than 13000 Euros only for parts.
For privat pilots which have to less time for flying thielert is the
biggest worst case ever seen!!!
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| Quote: | This seems ludicrously expensive.
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I guess everything is scalable. 
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Frans Veldman
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DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, frans(at)paardnatuurlijk.nl writes:
| Quote: | So I have to pay all ready more than 13000 Euros only for parts.
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Wait.......let me repeat what I think I just read.......you have to pay 13,000 Euro.....that's over $17,000 US just for the rubber parts for your Rotax engine? That is what we, over here in the US, call highway robbery. This would be a call for total banishment of any repeat, or even initial, business with this company over here. You might as well buy another whole engine so you can have spare metal parts for the engine you have. The only way to stop this type of skullduggery would be for people to get together and find the original source of the parts and cut out the middleman.
Off my soapbox now. Back to sanding.
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Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
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lgds(at)post6.tele.dk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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Mike!Before you shoot anybody .... he is using a converted Mercedes engine - a Thiele engine, so ...  ))
Regards Gert
OY-GDS/Mono/914/all rubber parts changed 2 years ago - no problem - you might consider silicone hoses from Stefan in Sweeden - I use them, and they seem to work well.
Den 30/04/2009 kl. 05.32 skrev DuaneFamly(at)aol.com (DuaneFamly(at)aol.com):
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Wait.......let me repeat what I think I just read.......you have to pay 13,000 Euro.....that's over $17,000 US just for the rubber parts for your Rotax engine? That is what we, over here in the US, call highway robbery. This would be a call for total banishment of any repeat, or even initial, business with this company over here. You might as well buy another whole engine so you can have spare metal parts for the engine you have. The only way to stop this type of skullduggery would be for people to get together and find the original source of the parts and cut out the middleman.
Off my soapbox now. Back to sanding.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300A
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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Personally I wouldnt worry too much about "genuine" Rotax spares. Im pretty
sure the heater/ coolant hoses are generic hoses available from any motor
factoring company. Just make sure you get exactly the right size - the top
ones are a different diameter to the bottom ones. Some of the radiator hoses
are Europa specific so those have to come from Europa (at least the ones
with a bend in them)..
Oil hose again available from motor factors.
You can get the carb diaphrams from here and they are genuine Bing
replacements (if you measure the diameter of the original diaphrams and call
them they will tell you the correct size - I think from memory it is the
smaller diameter but you will need to check).
http://www.motobins.co.uk/displayfinal.php?function=show&subs=084&title=DIAPHRAGMS+%26+GASKETS
The only bits you will have to get from Rotax are the rubber carb mounting
flanges. I think these are slightly cheaper here (or at least they were).-
http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_39.html
Your main expense and bother is replacing all the fuel hoses which have to
be replaced every 5 years also - I think that is a PFA requirement but dont
quote me on that one. I found that Europa were as cheap as anybody for this
so didnt bother looking elsewhere.
To be fair to Skydrive I dont think they are ripping anybody off - its just
the price Rotax choose to charge and as they have a monopoly on parts they
do (charge!). It doesent seem to matter where in the world you get your
Rotax spares, they are the same cost everywhere. Its the price you pay for
the paperwork that goes with genuine aircraft parts.
Hope that helps.
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pete(at)lawless.info
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:54 pm Post subject: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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Hi Gert
Do you have a contact for Stefan and the silicon hoses?
Thanks
Pete
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bmoorhouse
Joined: 29 Apr 2009
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Location: SW England - Somerset to be precise
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: Re: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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To be fair to Skydrive I dont think they are ripping anybody off - its just
the price Rotax choose to charge and as they have a monopoly on parts they
do (charge!). It doesent seem to matter where in the world you get your
Rotax spares, they are the same cost everywhere. Its the price you pay for
the paperwork that goes with genuine aircraft parts.
Hope that helps.
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Carl, Yes that was really helpful, exactly what I wanted many thanks - I will check out the links you provided.
I am not knocking Skydrive as I know that it is Rotax themselves who, in effect, control the spares prices- I checked with a couple of overseas Rotax distributors and the prices are much the same.
I am still recovering from seeing £662 for a few rubber hoses and a handful of other bits. That would keep me in fuel for a whole year's flying.
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lgds(at)post6.tele.dk
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: ROTAX 5 Year Rubber Replacement |
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Yep!Contact Stefan Ingemarsson at ingemarsson.s(at)telia.com (ingemarsson.s(at)telia.com)
He have had Trelleborg make a very nice hoce-kit for the 912/914.
Regards Gert
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Do you have a contact for Stefan and the silicon hoses?
Thanks
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