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jkreidler

Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild wings...... 

 

We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix.  They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it a temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old fleet to prove this).  Is this common in the industry? 

 

I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new tanks), but we will try it their way first..... 



 Thanks, Jason Kreidler

  

It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork. 

 

#40617 N44YH 

Sheboygan Falls, WI

 (4) Partner Build 

Jason Kreidler 

Kyle Hokel 

Tony Kolar 

Wayne Elsner [quote][b]

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Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
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pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

Jason,  I would be interested in hearing your results.  I’ve got a 22 year-old RV-4 that is leaking at several rivets.  This was built using the old Pro-Seal that Van’s has since moved away from due to its becoming brittle and cracking after 20 years.  I would like to see if this fix works.  When I contacted Van’s about my RV-4, their only solution was to build new fuel tanks.  Where did you buy this green, wicking Loctite?  

   

Jack  Phillips  

RV-10 #40610  

         

  

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 We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild wings...... 

 

 We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix.  They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it a temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old fleet to prove this).  Is this common in the industry? 

 

 I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new tanks), but we will try it their way first..... 

 

 Thanks, Jason Kreidler

 

 It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork. 

 

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

Loctite 290 Threadlocker. Available at Amazon and many auto supply places. It's about $20 for a tiny tube, so don't waste it.

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:00 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

It's interesting that when Van's gets a call about a quickbuild wing that is leaking, they recommend the loctite method.  When they get a call about a customer-built wing that is leaking, they say the only option is to either get into the tank and fix it or build a new tank.  I have personal experience with this inconsistency.  Sounds to me like a little bit of a double standard.



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On May 4, 2009, at 8:00 AM, jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com) wrote:

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We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild wings...... 

 

We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix.  They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it a temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old fleet to prove this).  Is this common in the industry? 

 

I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new tanks), but we will try it their way first..... 



 Thanks, Jason Kreidler

  

It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork. 

 

#40617 N44YH 

Sheboygan Falls, WI

 (4) Partner Build 

Jason Kreidler 

Kyle Hokel 

Tony Kolar 

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jkreidler

Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

We used "Napa 290", purchased at our local Napa store (obviously). 

 

Thanks, Jason Kreidler

  

It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork. 

 

#40617 N44YH 

Sheboygan Falls, WI

 (4) Partner Build 

Jason Kreidler 

Kyle Hokel 

Tony Kolar 

Wayne Elsner [quote][b]

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ScooterF15

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 136

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

I used this method on a single leaking rivet on a QB wing tank. I had a hard time getting it to work. Someone recommended putting a slight vacuum on the tank to get the Loctite 390 to get pulled in around the rivet. That is hard to do with an installed tank. I used a ballon taped to the end of a short piece of rubber hose to put some air pressure on the outside of the rivet. I also used a heat gun on the area while the Loctite was still wet. It sealed the leak and it has been leak free for 1.5 years now.

   

 -Jim

 N312JE



 On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 AM, <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)> wrote:

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We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild wings...... 

 

We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix.  They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it a temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old fleet to prove this).  Is this common in the industry? 

 

I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new tanks), but we will try it their way first..... 



Thanks, Jason Kreidler

 

It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork. 



#40617 N44YH 

 Sheboygan Falls, WI

(4) Partner Build 

Jason Kreidler 

Kyle Hokel 

Tony Kolar 

 Wayne Elsner  	  Quote: 	
		  



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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:44 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

Could this stuff be used before paint.... or could something else be used before paint

 It would be nice to solve the problem before it becomes a problem.

 Don



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Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 6:04 AM



 

We used "Napa 290", purchased at our local Napa store (obviously). 



Thanks, Jason Kreidler



It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork. 



#40617 N44YH 

Sheboygan Falls, WI

(4) Partner Build 

Jason Kreidler 

Kyle Hokel 

Tony Kolar 

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

Jason,

     I had 2 rivets leaking very slightly on my QB wings.  So slightly that it wasn't apparent until after the paint job, a very unpleasant surprise.  Anyway, I used the green Loctite trick and it appears to have worked great.  It took a number of aplications over time, but I haven't had a leak in months and am ready to repaint the area once I get the opportunity.

  

 Good Luck,

 Marcus

 40276

  

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Subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:00 AM



 

We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild wings...... 



We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix.  They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it a temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old fleet to prove this).  Is this common in the industry? 



I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new tanks), but we will try it their way first..... 



Thanks, Jason Kreidler



It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork. 



#40617 N44YH 

Sheboygan Falls, WI

(4) Partner Build 

Jason Kreidler 

Kyle Hokel 

Tony Kolar 

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

I used their method and it worked.  The stuff does not dry on top of

the rivet and is misleading.  However, my fix has lasted three years.



On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM,  <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> wrote:

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 We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first

 two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets

 on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild

 wings......



 We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix.

  They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We

 applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My

 question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it a

 temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old fleet

 to prove this).  Is this common in the industry?



 I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new

 tanks), but we will try it their way first.....



 Thanks, Jason Kreidler



 It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing minor

 finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork.



 #40617 N44YH

 Sheboygan Falls, WI

 (4) Partner Build

 Jason Kreidler

 Kyle Hokel

 Tony Kolar

 Wayne Elsner




	


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wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

Hello Jason,

  

 I had the same problem twice, also with quick build  wings. I also called Vans and told them about the problem, I was talking to Gus,  who normally was really good at answers, and after our conversation that  this is quick build and by theory should be better than what I could do, his  answer in a back handed way was " Ya and what do you want me to do about it" His  attitude really turned me off and I told him if you don't know what to do  there's no sense in me talking to you and I hung up on him, which I would never  normally do but his attitude was so flipped it ticked me off.

  

 By the way he told me the same answer as he did you  but but I was just telling him that in inspecting the inside of the tank, I  drained it, that I could see that his hired help in the Philippines were only  putting a very small amount of pro seal in the tank in order to save money. I'm  assuming they're paid so much a unit and if you skimp you save money, I guess. I  was trying to tell Gus that he needs to tell them to do a better job and stop  cutting corners. 

  

 I actually drilled out the leaking rivets and put  in cherry max rivets with a lot of pro seal on the back side of the rivet.  That was two years ago and I've not had any additional leaks. When I had the  leaks the plane hadn't yet been painted so drilling out the rivet wasn't a paint  issue.

  

 Wayne Edgerton N602WT

  

  

  

  

             Time:      05:04:49 AM PST  US            Subject:      Fuel Tank Rivet    Leaking            From:      jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)       

      We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of  the fuel tanks in the first 

      two inboard rows  of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets  

      on the left wing, one rivet on the right  wing.  These are quickbuild 

       wings......

      

       We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix.  

      They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite  to the faulty rivets.  We 

      applied the  Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My  

      question to the group is, has anyone else  used this repair method?  Was it 

      a  temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old  

      fleet to prove this).  Is this common in  the industry?

       

      I have my own opinions of what Vans should do  to solve our problem (new 

      tanks), but we will  try it their way first.....

       

      Thanks, Jason  Kreidler

      

      It  runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing  

      minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on  paperwork.

      

       #40617 N44YH

      Sheboygan Falls,  WI

      (4) Partner  Build

      Jason  Kreidler

      Kyle  Hokel

      Tony  Kolar

      Wayne Elsner



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rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

I also have one leaky rivet on the top of the tank in the “walk area”.  But, so does 410RV.  I did my transition training in that aircraft and it has several leakers. I think it must have something to do with the doublers. My leaky rivet is under the 3m non-skid in the walk area and only shows up when the tank is full, so I have decided to live with it until this summer.  When it gets real hot, I will try to pull the 3m stuff up and seal the rivet.   

     

Rene' Felker  

RV-10 N423CF Flying  

  

801-721-6080      

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton

 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:05 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking  

  

  

     

Hello Jason,  

    

   

    

I had the same problem twice, also with quick build wings. I also called Vans and told them about the problem, I was talking to Gus, who normally was really good at answers, and after our conversation that this is quick build and by theory should be better than what I could do, his answer in a back handed way was " Ya and what do you want me to do about it" His attitude really turned me off and I told him if you don't know what to do there's no sense in me talking to you and I hung up on him, which I would never normally do but his attitude was so flipped it ticked me off.  

    

   

    

By the way he told me the same answer as he did you but but I was just telling him that in inspecting the inside of the tank, I drained it, that I could see that his hired help in the Philippines were only putting a very small amount of pro seal in the tank in order to save money. I'm assuming they're paid so much a unit and if you skimp you save money, I guess. I was trying to tell Gus that he needs to tell them to do a better job and stop cutting corners.   

    

   

    

I actually drilled out the leaking rivets and put in cherry max rivets with a lot of pro seal on the back side of the rivet. That was two years ago and I've not had any additional leaks. When I had the leaks the plane hadn't yet been painted so drilling out the rivet wasn't a paint issue.  

    

   

    

Wayne Edgerton N602WT  

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

            

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Fuel Tank Rivet   Leaking        

           

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jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)        

      

       We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first 

       two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets 

       on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild 

       wings......

       

       We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix. 

       They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We 

       applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My 

       question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it 

       a temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old 

       fleet to prove this).  Is this common in the industry?

       

       I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new 

       tanks), but we will try it their way first.....

       

       Thanks, Jason Kreidler

       

       It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing 

       minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork.

       

       #40617 N44YH

       Sheboygan Falls, WI

       (4) Partner Build

       Jason Kreidler

       Kyle Hokel

       Tony Kolar

       Wayne Elsner  

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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

Going back to that prior discussion about fuel tanks

I remember someone said they hadn't heard much about

any QB tanks leaking, and that it was rare.  I would

like to point out that this thread has shown the reason

that my personal opinion leans towards building my

own tanks.  It hasn't been very publicized before in

this amount on the list, but I've talked to many many

RV-10 builders with QB tanks that have had these problems.

I know, repetition on riveting wings isn't fun, but they

build fast, and when you're done you will know that you

did a good job prosealing.  I don't understand WHY the

QB tanks seem to have such an issue....my only guess is

that to save costs they go as light on sealant as

possible.  It's a common enough problem though that I

really think the company should re-evaluate the instruction

given to the offshore builders and encourage a little

more attention paid to making the tanks leak free.



The sad part is, for many builders they want to paint

before flying.  I liked it that way, myself.  But giving

your tanks a chance to be thoroughly leak tested may

be a good reason to delay painting on at least the wings

of your QB kit, if you're trying to choose when to paint.

Luckily most rivet leaks will be on the bottom side

of the wing.



It would be interesting to take a tally of how many QB

wings came with leaks, and then forward the numbers

to Van's.  Perhaps they don't have a clue the number is

so high, but compiling it here may provide incentive to

them to do a bit more training over there.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

One point of clarification………I built my own tanks.  

   

Tim, I think it would be a good idea to get a list of quick build leakers….but don’t count me in, I did this to myself.  J  

     

Rene' Felker  

RV-10 N423CF Flying  

  

801-721-6080      

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker

 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:55 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking  

  

  

   

I also have one leaky rivet on the top of the tank in the “walk area”.  But, so does 410RV.  I did my transition training in that aircraft and it has several leakers. I think it must have something to do with the doublers. My leaky rivet is under the 3m non-skid in the walk area and only shows up when the tank is full, so I have decided to live with it until this summer.  When it gets real hot, I will try to pull the 3m stuff up and seal the rivet.   

     

Rene' Felker  

RV-10 N423CF Flying  

  

801-721-6080      

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton

 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:05 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking  

  

  

     

Hello Jason,  

    

   

    

I had the same problem twice, also with quick build wings. I also called Vans and told them about the problem, I was talking to Gus, who normally was really good at answers, and after our conversation that this is quick build and by theory should be better than what I could do, his answer in a back handed way was " Ya and what do you want me to do about it" His attitude really turned me off and I told him if you don't know what to do there's no sense in me talking to you and I hung up on him, which I would never normally do but his attitude was so flipped it ticked me off.  

    

   

    

By the way he told me the same answer as he did you but but I was just telling him that in inspecting the inside of the tank, I drained it, that I could see that his hired help in the Philippines were only putting a very small amount of pro seal in the tank in order to save money. I'm assuming they're paid so much a unit and if you skimp you save money, I guess. I was trying to tell Gus that he needs to tell them to do a better job and stop cutting corners.   

    

   

    

I actually drilled out the leaking rivets and put in cherry max rivets with a lot of pro seal on the back side of the rivet. That was two years ago and I've not had any additional leaks. When I had the leaks the plane hadn't yet been painted so drilling out the rivet wasn't a paint issue.  

    

   

    

Wayne Edgerton N602WT  

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

            

Time:          

05:04:49 AM PST US        

           

Subject:          

Fuel Tank Rivet   Leaking        

           

From:          

jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)        

      

       We noticed a few leaking rivets on the top of the fuel tanks in the first 

       two inboard rows of rivets.  Rivets were leaking on both wings, two rivets 

       on the left wing, one rivet on the right wing.  These are quickbuild 

       wings......

       

       We called Vans for advice on how they would like us to proceed for a fix. 

       They asked us to apply green wicking Loctite to the faulty rivets.  We 

       applied the Loctite, and will file a PIREP when the results come in.  My 

       question to the group is, has anyone else used this repair method?  Was it 

       a temporary repair, or a long term fix (I understand we don't have a old 

       fleet to prove this).  Is this common in the industry?

       

       I have my own opinions of what Vans should do to solve our problem (new 

       tanks), but we will try it their way first.....

       

       Thanks, Jason Kreidler

       

       It runs, weight and balance complete, transition training done, doing 

       minor finishing and calibrations, waiting on paperwork.

       

       #40617 N44YH

       Sheboygan Falls, WI

       (4) Partner Build

       Jason Kreidler

       Kyle Hokel

       Tony Kolar

       Wayne Elsner  

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

No quick build wing leaks here after 140 hours. Mine were shipped to me

3/2005. My QB wings were among the first batch produced. I also did not

follow the plans to remove and test the tanks. I thought that just another

way to create a leak where none may exist. The tanks were supposedly tested

at the build factory.

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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

85 hours on my QB wings and no leaks at this time. Wings delivered in  

June 2006. I did take the tanks off and test them per Van's  

instructions. I also had a self-induced leak when I accidentally  

dropped the tank from the wing cradle and bent the leading edge and  

inboard tank rib. 

THAT was one of those real bad moments in building this airplane!



David Maib

40559

Flying

On May 5, 2009, at 9:58 AM, David McNeill wrote:






No quick build wing leaks here after 140 hours. Mine were shipped to me

3/2005. My QB wings were among the first batch produced. I also did not

follow the plans to remove and test the tanks. I thought that just  

another

way to create a leak where none may exist. The tanks were supposedly  

tested

at the build factory.

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

jkreidler

Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

The good news is we found the leaks before paint, as we intend to fly off Phase 1 without paint.



The RV-10 trainer in Texas also has leaking rivets on top of the wing, in the wing walk area.



It would be interesting to note the location of all of the leaks found so far.  I suspect that the last inboard rivets at the end of the wing walk stiffeners (T-1011) is where most leaks are occurring.  This looks like it is a highly stressed rivet joint.  I think it might be good practice to not use this section of the wing as a walking area.  I may be wrong....



Thanks or 'tanks' for all the replies!



Jason Kreidler #40617 - 4 Partner Build



Do Not Archieve

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: Fuel Tank Rivet Leaking

My opinion on this is that, like everything else, $$ drives a fix or lack thereof.  As long as Van's isn't incurring additional costs in support, PR, or hard dollars, there is no incentive to deal with it.  This is the same as the nose wheel and other issues.  The first time someone contacts VISA and requests a charge reversal because of a defective product that the vendor won't fix they $might$ look at addressing the problem.  Or they might fix the problem by withholding any future sales to the individual leaving them with a worthless partial kit.



My $0.02

Michael



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