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icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: lacing tape

hi all,

 i decided to use ''lacing tape'' from acs for wirjng my wood wings. i will put a wrap of silocon tape on the wire first, then attach. price of lacing tape was reasonable so i have plenty to replace the plastic tie wraps in the engine compartment if they dont take the heat. thanks for all the input.

  bob noffs

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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:55 am Post subject: lacing tape

F16's and my Hatz Classic has the same method of securing wire bundles.



John KerrÂ 

Kitfox Classic, 912ul

784 hours GLC

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: lacing tape

Are you sure you want to subject lacing tape to the heat of the  

engine compartment? I would test this tape under the same heat  

conditions as under the cowl, before I committed to using it. The tie  

wraps that I used...nothing special....hold up perfectly on my plane.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs

Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Status: flying





On May 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, bob noffs wrote:



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		   hi all,

  i decided to use ''lacing tape'' from acs for wirjng my wood  

 wings. i will put a wrap of silocon tape on the wire first, then  

 attach. price of lacing tape was reasonable so i have plenty to  

 replace the plastic tie wraps in the engine compartment if they  

 dont take the heat. thanks for all the input.

  bob noffs

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: lacing tape

Lynn,



The lacing tape I used is polyester.  We shrink our covering fabric to 350°. 

I would sure hope that the wiring in the engine compartment won't get to 

350°.  At the temperatures that would degrade the polyester, I think I would 

be more concerned about the fuel lines.



Lowell

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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: lacing tape

While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be reaching into

they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying the

tapes as well.  You need something mechanically sound both in the engine

compartment and in the wings.  Mechanically sound means tie wraps or good

solid knots not any adhesive tape.



Noel



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Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: lacing tape

i believe the tape from acs was nylon. good or bad?

 bob noffs



On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Noel <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)>

  

 While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be reaching into

 they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying the

 tapes as well.  You need something mechanically sound both in the engine

 compartment and in the wings.  Mechanically sound means tie wraps or good

 solid knots not any adhesive tape.

 

 Noel

 

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:21 am Post subject: lacing tape

Gotcha...I was thinking about the waxed lacing tape that I used for  

my rib lacing. I used it firewall rearward for wire bundles, and  

plastic ties firewall forward.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs

Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Status: flying

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On May 10, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:



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 <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>



 Lynn,



 The lacing tape I used is polyester.  We shrink our covering fabric  

 to 350°. I would sure hope that the wiring in the engine  

 compartment won't get to 350°.  At the temperatures that would  

 degrade the polyester, I think I would be more concerned about the  

 fuel lines.



 Lowell

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: lacing tape

I learned a good trick while attending an EAA weekend electrical  

course....cut the ties really close with a beveled snipper found at  

electrical stores, and the *usually* sharp edges that you usually get  

are no more.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs

Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Status: flying





On May 10, 2009, at 9:08 PM, Noel wrote:



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 While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be  

 reaching into

 they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying  

 the

 tapes as well.  You need something mechanically sound both in the  

 engine

 compartment and in the wings.  Mechanically sound means tie wraps  

 or good

 solid knots not any adhesive tape.

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: lacing tape

It’s not the tape it’s the adhesive that can weaken in the relative warm of the engine compartment.  That is one of the reasons you will seldom if ever see a roll of electrical tape in an A&Ps tool box.  Most adhesives can become soft and gooey with the heat the compartment can endure while sitting on the apron while you are having one of those famous $100.oo hamburgers.  

   

Noel  

     

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs

 Sent: 11 May 2009 12:35 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: lacing tape  

  

   

i believe the tape from acs was nylon. good or bad?

  bob noffs    

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Noel <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:  

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)>

 

 While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be reaching into

 they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying the

 tapes as well.  You need something mechanically sound both in the engine

 compartment and in the wings.  Mechanically sound means tie wraps or good

 solid knots not any adhesive tape.

 

 Noel    



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Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: lacing tape

You can also go over the ends with a couple of swipes with a piece of

sandpaper.  Unfortunately most people just reach in with the sidecuts and

when they hear the click of the end cutting off that's as far as it goes.  I

have the scars to prove it does happen.  Like a lot of homebuilders who are

not under time constraints you no doubt take the time to make your trims

properly.  Once gashed twice leery.



I like the Koroseal lacing cord.  It keeps things nice and snug without

allowing any wearing of insulation.  You can't be cut with it and the

chances of cutting a wire in a bundle while removing it are a lot lower.

Basically I use it like wax chord (tape, string etc.) in the engine

compartment.



Noel



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Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: lacing tape

Bob,



The tape comes in Nylon and Polyester.  Consider that the tie wraps some are 

recomending are nylon, I don't see a problem.  I read a forum piece on 

another site where one of the guys said he had tried them both and he 

perferred Nylon.  I personally don't think it makes any difference as far as 

security goes.  I use Polyester simply because a guy on this forum got a 

hold of a lot of it surplus and offered it at a great price.



Lowell



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: lacing tape

Yeah, I used to use every day side cutters, too, and often gashed  

myself. Then I learned about the very small electronics snippers made  

by Crescent. They don't bevel both sides of the cutting edge, just  

one side. Thus you can cut right up close to the "fat" part of the  

tie wrap, and all but eliminate any sharp edges.

I'll have to look into the Koroseal stuff.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs

Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Status: flying



On May 11, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Noel wrote:



[quote] 



 You can also go over the ends with a couple of swipes with a piece of

 sandpaper.  Unfortunately most people just reach in with the  

 sidecuts and

 when they hear the click of the end cutting off that's as far as it  

 goes.  I

 have the scars to prove it does happen.  Like a lot of homebuilders  

 who are

 not under time constraints you no doubt take the time to make your  

 trims

 properly.  Once gashed twice leery.



 I like the Koroseal lacing cord.  It keeps things nice and snug  

 without

 allowing any wearing of insulation.  You can't be cut with it and the

 chances of cutting a wire in a bundle while removing it are a lot  

 lower.

 Basically I use it like wax chord (tape, string etc.) in the engine

 compartment.



 Noel



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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: lacing tape

Nylon is a lot faster to install and it does give a good mechanical hold.  That's not my beef with it... being sliced on several occasions is and of course those slices although not as deep as a knife blade would make they are a lot more painful and there is the slight matter of all the blood dripping everywhere.  

   

I sure wish I'd seen the surplus sale..  The polyester can be a little on the dear side.  

   

I’d love to see nylon ties do a clean job like this that you could pull a cloth over.  

   

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Noel Loveys
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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: lacing tape

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Has anyone tried Rescue Tape?

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icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:08 am Post subject: lacing tape

i use ''rescue tape'' around the wire before i secure it. i use it to protect the wire from chafing i wouldn't trust it asa fastener.

 bob noffs 



On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Roger Standley <taildragon(at)msn.com (taildragon(at)msn.com)> wrote:

 [quote]         Has anyone tried Rescue Tape?

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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: Re: lacing tape

When I worked on planes in the Navy there were ONLY two wire bundle

materials. Lacing tape, and Adel clamps. That handles everything. We did

not ever use Nylon ties.



Regards,

Jeff



(Ex Navy Aviation Electrician)

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