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kearney
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 Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: Question for the door experts |
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Hi
Well today I start on my doors. First I trimmed the door opening to about 1/8” from the scribe lines. Then, as per the plans, I trimmed the door halves and drilled the index holes. Well, the first problem was that the window index holes didn’t align – two were off by ½”. Next I found the forward index hole did not match the hole left open on the forward fuse skin. TRhe door index holes is high by at least a couple of inches compared to the hole in the fuse skin.
Has anyone else run into this problem and if so how did you deal with it? I spoke to Ken Scott at Van’s who mentioned that this was a first for him. I guess I am just lucky.
Cheers
Les
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msausen
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Question for the door experts |
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Must be short term memory, I believe I had a similar conversation with him a couple months back. I just fit the door based on pictures and look along with making sure it had even spacing from the inside.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:38 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Question for the door experts
Hi
Well today I start on my doors. First I trimmed the door opening to about 1/8” from the scribe lines. Then, as per the plans, I trimmed the door halves and drilled the index holes. Well, the first problem was that the window index holes didn’t align – two were off by ½”. Next I found the forward index hole did not match the hole left open on the forward fuse skin. TRhe door index holes is high by at least a couple of inches compared to the hole in the fuse skin.
Has anyone else run into this problem and if so how did you deal with it? I spoke to Ken Scott at Van’s who mentioned that this was a first for him. I guess I am just lucky.
Cheers
Les
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johngoodman
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Location: GA
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: Re: Question for the door experts |
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Les,
I just finished what you are talking about a few days ago. You are right, the window index holes don't line up. I discovered the culprits were the top ones, so I clecoed the bottom ones, pressed the halves together as best I could and drilled new top ones.
As far as the fore and aft index hole tabs, I initially found similar issues, but discovered the aft hole tab is the critical one. Be careful about the TWO holes you can use on the aft tab. It's the lower one. If you cleco it first, the front one will line up. At least it should.
One problem I had was I hadn't done a great job on cutting the canopy opening and some of it needed a little last-minute trimming to get the doors in properly.
If you still have the tabs on, measure the distance between the two factory holes, then measure the distance between the two fuselage holes. They should be the same or very close (allowing for some curve).
When you get to the hinges, don't waste your time cutting 1/8" aluminum shims like I did. Just use a couple of tongue depressors. All you're trying to do is give the hinges some basic alignment and a little wiggle room.
Speaking of the hinges, make SURE you have properly identified each and every piece as Left or Right. My door half ones had no markings and you have to look very close to see the difference.
John
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kearney
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: Question for the door experts |
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Hi Michael
Thanks for the comments.
/Rant on
I am beginning to question the value of Van’s tech support. On more than one occasion I have gotten the “I’ve never heard of that before” only to find that was not the case. It really ticks me off to vague or non-answers or non answers to specific questions. In the case of the doors, they should a) confirm that is a problem and b) give specific instructions as to how to deal with it. As a first time builder who has very limited local support, I expect to ask a lot of questions that may seem obvious to the master builders at Van’s. I don’t expect to get a condescending attitude!
/Rant off
Cheers
Les
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: May-14-09 7:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Question for the door experts
Must be short term memory, I believe I had a similar conversation with him a couple months back. I just fit the door based on pictures and look along with making sure it had even spacing from the inside.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:38 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Question for the door experts
Hi
Well today I start on my doors. First I trimmed the door opening to about 1/8” from the scribe lines. Then, as per the plans, I trimmed the door halves and drilled the index holes. Well, the first problem was that the window index holes didn’t align – two were off by ½”. Next I found the forward index hole did not match the hole left open on the forward fuse skin. TRhe door index holes is high by at least a couple of inches compared to the hole in the fuse skin.
Has anyone else run into this problem and if so how did you deal with it? I spoke to Ken Scott at Van’s who mentioned that this was a first for him. I guess I am just lucky.
Cheers
Les
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: Question for the door experts |
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I called Van's one time...that's all it took for me to realize I was pretty much on my own except for this and VAF forums. If you happen to feel good about yourself one day and think maybe a little too good, give Ken Scott a call...when you hang up you will feel several different emotions, "What an A**hole" was my first emotional response. I had to call one other time when they sent me two "right" parts and Joe took care of it but I had the upper-hand, I didn't have a question for them to "not heard" of before. Joe was very nice and helpful...Maybe it's living with a violin player that ascews ones personality.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: Question for the door experts |
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Les, it is just that there is so much better support right here. I
know I have yet to call Van's for support.
I suspect if they take a fair number of calls, their memory of
previous calls is poor. What would it cost Van's to have support staff
enter call subjects/answers into computer, so that is short time they
would have some real documentation of where problems exist and how to
fix them. When they take calls on anything from RV3 to RV12, they
probably don't develop much collective memory
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/Rant on
I am beginning to question the value of Van’s tech support. On more than
one occasion I have gotten the “I’ve never heard of that before” only to
find that was not the case. It really ticks me off to vague or non-answers
or non answers to specific questions. In the case of the doors, they should
a) confirm that is a problem and b) give specific instructions as to how to
deal with it. As a first time builder who has very limited local support, I
expect to ask a lot of questions that may seem obvious to the master
builders at Van’s. I don’t expect to get a condescending attitude!
/Rant off
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: Question for the door experts |
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That's a common reaction, and has been for more than a decade. I was warned about this individual before I bought my first RV kit (mid 1990s). I learned to ask for somebody else. Anybody else.
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I called Van's one time...that's all it took for me to realize I was pretty much on my own except for this and VAF forums. If you happen to feel good about yourself one day and think maybe a little too good, give Ken Scott a call...when you hang up you will feel several different emotions, "What an A**hole" was my first emotional response. I had to call one other time when they sent me two "right" parts and Joe took care of it but I had the upper-hand, I didn't have a question for them to "not heard" of before. Joe was very nice and helpful...Maybe it's living with a violin player that ascews ones personality.
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Rick Sked
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