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mosquito56

Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Posts: 77
Location: Laredo, Tx

Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

I am looking for a way to mark my wires in my Zodiac 601XL. I am just finishing up the body and will begin engine installation soon. 



  Can anyone suggest a method to print on shrink sleeving if possible? I have no idea what one would be called.

 I had heard there was a way to use a laser printer to do this in some way also. 

 

 Any other ideas would be welcome. 



Don

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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Don,

 

 I used a laser printer with Arial 7 point type, all caps to make labels.  I would have 4 lines, aligned one below the other.  I cut these labels out, rolled them around the wire, slipped clear tubing over the paper and heat shrunk it. I labeled both ends of each wire. I labeled the first end at the first terminal at my shop bench.  The other end would wait until I knew the wire length to the second terminal.  That was usually in the airplane, just before I installed the final terminal connector.  Experience tells me that adequate labeling is an absolute necessity.

 

 Jay Bannister

 

   

 

   

 

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davidbowman1(at)verizon.n
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

you can use a Kroy TubeMarker.  It will print on shrink tubing. Look at 

alliedelec.com



Dave-Westlake Village, CA

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bob(at)bob-white.com
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Hi Don,



If you wanted a whole lot of labels with the same marking, I've used

Merithian Products Corp.  http://www.merithian.com/



For small quantities, printing on white heat shrink tubing with a fine

point Sharpie a good job.



Bob W.



On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:54:07 -0700

"mosquito56" <mosquito-56(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I am looking for a way to mark my wires in my Zodiac 601XL. I am just finishing up the body and will begin engine installation soon. 

 

   Can anyone suggest a method to print on shrink sleeving if possible? I have no idea what one would be called.

  I had heard there was a way to use a laser printer to do this in some way also. 

  

  Any other ideas would be welcome. 

 

 Don

 

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 Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx

   Apologies if I seem antagonistic.

   I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance in this thing we call life.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Hi Don,

After much frustrated wrapping and securing laser printed name tabs, I 

found wrapping the wire 180-degrees with packaging tape

and placing the name tab between the extended adhesive ends, the loose 

protected name tab is easier to read than one coaxial with

the wire. It's also much easier to do. Just don't go overboard on the 

marking if it's obvious what the wire's for.



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



mosquito56 wrote:

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 I am looking for a way to mark my wires in my Zodiac 601XL. I am just finishing up the body and will begin engine installation soon. 



   Can anyone suggest a method to print on shrink sleeving if possible? I have no idea what one would be called.

  I had heard there was a way to use a laser printer to do this in some way also. 

  

  Any other ideas would be welcome. 



 Don

Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Check Ebay for Kroy first.



Bruce

www.Glasair.org 



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kesleyelectric(at)chooseb
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Don,



I ended up buying a RhinoPro 5000, which I am very happy with.  It will also

print on heatshrink tubing.  See link below.



http://www.ecomofficesupplies.com/ProductInfo~productid~DYM15603.html#



These folks have good service and very reasonable shipping for refill

supplies.



Just a quick plug here.  Our EAA chapter, Chapter 94 in Mason City, IA, is

sponsoring an Aero Electric Seminar on June 27-28.  Refer to Bob's website

for details.  The hanger is a great facility located right off the taxiway

for easy flying or driving. There will be a Saturday evening cookout, should

be a great time. Hope to see some of you there.    

Tom Barter

Kesley Electric, Inc.

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: Marking Wires?

Good Afternoon Don,

  

 I borrowed a WWII vintage, hand operated, electric wire marker and  printed a label about every ten inches on every wire I used. It probably caused  me to waste a few feet of wire as I tended to make each wire just a bit longer  than needed, but it sure helps a lot during the assembly and for trouble  shooting. 

  

 Using any sort of shrink tube application darn near doubles the diameter of  the small wires we tend to need. I tried that and did not care for the extra  bulk at all. 

  

 If I had a very sophisticated airplane to wire, I would watch E-Bay and buy  my own wire marking machine! If it's good enough for Boeing and Beechcraft, it's  good enough for me!

  

 Happy  Skies



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West 86th  Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22   

  In a message dated 5/15/2009 11:57:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  mosquito-56(at)hotmail.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I am    looking for a way to mark my wires in my Zodiac 601XL. I am just finishing up    the body and will begin engine installation soon. 



  Can anyone    suggest a method to print on shrink sleeving if possible? I have no idea what    one would be called.

I had heard there was a way to use a laser printer to    do this in some way also. 



Any other ideas would be welcome.    



Don

	




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scott(at)n696js.com
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

I did exactly what Jay described here.  For some of the smaller wire runs (20-22AWG) I actually used 2 pieces of heat shrink.  The first I would shrink on to give the wire some girth, then I would slip on my label and shrink on another piece to hold the label in place.  It is working great so far.    

                                

 Scott R. Shook 

 RV-7A (Building) 

 N696JS (Reserved)   

        

  

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jaybannist(at)cs.com

 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:26

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking Wires?  

  

     

Don,

 

 I used a laser printer with Arial 7 point type, all caps to make labels.  I would have 4 lines, aligned one below the other.  I cut these labels out, rolled them around the wire, slipped clear tubing over the paper and heat shrunk it. I labeled both ends of each wire. I labeled the first end at the first terminal at my shop bench.  The other end would wait until I knew the wire length to the second terminal.  That was usually in the airplane, just before I installed the final terminal connector.  Experience tells me that adequate labeling is an absolute necessity.

 

 Jay Bannister  

    

   

    

   

  

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 From: mosquito56 <mosquito-56(at)hotmail.com>

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:54 am

 Subject: Marking Wires?   	  Quote: 	
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 I am looking for a way to mark my wires in my Zodiac 601XL. I am just finishing 

 

 up the body and will begin engine installation soon. 

 

 

 

   Can anyone suggest a method to print on shrink sleeving if possible? I have no 

 

 idea what one would be called.

 

  I had heard there was a way to use a laser printer to do this in some way also. 

 

 

 

  

 

  Any other ideas would be welcome. 

 

 

 

 Don

 

 

 

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   Apologies if I seem antagonistic.

 

   I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for 

 

 assistance in this thing we call life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244167#244167

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 	


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ianxbrown

Joined: 16 May 2009
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Having had very recent experience of this, just remember that the really

neat, shrunk on labels can be fiendishly difficult to read when you're

upside down, under the panel, on the tarmac.  There is something to be

said for larger labels, or even a coded system and a lookup table.



Ian Brown

Flight testing RV-9A



On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 09:26 -0700, Scott R. Shook wrote:

[quote] I did exactly what Jay described here.  For some of the smaller wire

 runs (20-22AWG) I actually used 2 pieces of heat shrink.  The first I

 would shrink on to give the wire some girth, then I would slip on my

 label and shrink on another piece to hold the label in place.  It is

 working great so far.

 

                                 

 Scott R. Shook 

 RV-7A (Building) 

 N696JS (Reserved) 

 

 

                                    

 ______________________________________________________________________

 From:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of

 jaybannist(at)cs.com

 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:26

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Marking Wires?

 

 

  

 

 Don,

 

 I used a laser printer with Arial 7 point type, all caps to make

 labels.  I would have 4 lines, aligned one below the other.  I cut

 these labels out, rolled them around the wire, slipped clear tubing

 over the paper and heat shrunk it. I labeled both ends of each wire. I

 labeled the first end at the first terminal at my shop bench.  The

 other end would wait until I knew the wire length to the second

 terminal.  That was usually in the airplane, just before I installed

 the final terminal connector.  Experience tells me that adequate

 labeling is an absolute necessity.

 

 Jay Bannister

 

 

  

 

 

  

 

 

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Good Afternoon Ian,

  

 I find that one of the advantages to marking directly on the wires such as  the big boys do is that if I can't read the label in one spot, there is a good  chance I will be able to read it within a foot or two of the termination  point.

  

 Happy  Skies



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West 86th  Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22   

  In a message dated 5/19/2009 12:20:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  ixb(at)videotron.ca writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Having    had very recent experience of this, just remember that the really

neat,    shrunk on labels can be fiendishly difficult to read when you're

upside    down, under the panel, on the tarmac.  There is something to be

said    for larger labels, or even a coded system and a lookup table.



Ian    Brown

	




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JOE RONCO

Joined: 04 Aug 2007
Posts: 31
Location: CENTENNIAL COLORADO

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

A simple and low cost way to mark wires is to use wire number markers (1/4” x 1 ¼”) lengthwise on each end of the wire and then put heat shrink over it. The only down side is that you have to keep a chart showing what each wire number is for. See:  

   

http://cableorganizer.com/wire-marker/#features  

   

Joe R  

   

       

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott R. Shook

 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:27 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Marking Wires?  

  

  

   

I did exactly what Jay described here.  For some of the smaller wire runs (20-22AWG) I actually used 2 pieces of heat shrink.  The first I would shrink on to give the wire some girth, then I would slip on my label and shrink on another piece to hold the label in place.  It is working great so far.    

                                

 Scott R. Shook 

 RV-7A (Building) 

 N696JS (Reserved)   

        

  

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jaybannist(at)cs.com

 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:26

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Marking Wires?  

  

     

Don,

 

 I used a laser printer with Arial 7 point type, all caps to make labels.  I would have 4 lines, aligned one below the other.  I cut these labels out, rolled them around the wire, slipped clear tubing over the paper and heat shrunk it. I labeled both ends of each wire. I labeled the first end at the first terminal at my shop bench.  The other end would wait until I knew the wire length to the second terminal.  That was usually in the airplane, just before I installed the final terminal connector.  Experience tells me that adequate labeling is an absolute necessity.

 

 Jay Bannister  

    

   

    

   

  

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:47 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

At 12:29 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  A simple and low cost way to mark wires is to 

use wire number markers (1/4” x 1 ¼”) lengthwise 

on each end of the wire and then put heat shrink 

over it. The only down side is that you have to 

keep a chart showing what each wire number is for.


	


    Before you spend a lot of $time$ putting numbers

    on individual wires, think through the expected return

    on investment. While the wires are waiting to be tied

    off, a masking tape flag with a sharpie notation of

    where it goes will get you done.



    Now, what is the likelihood that you'll benefit from

    the existence of ANY single wire marking at some

    time in the future? When you're working with 3"

    wire bundles of hundreds of wires, yeah . . . but

    the future maintenance value of individual wire marking

    is of limited value in a single engine airplane. But

    if you must . . .



    B&C still sells the clear heat-shrink kit I used

    to offer for marking wires like this:



http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Wiring_Technique/Wire_Marking.jpg



    You can print columns of labels in 6pt type on

    full sheets of label material. Pull of the backing

    sheet, paste to a plastic cutting board. Use x-acto

    knife to cut out label of interest and attach to

    wire with clear shrink.



        Bob . . .



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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: Marking Wires?

Jay's think alike- I did the same as Jay Bannister except that I used a sharpie to write onto strips of white plastic that I had cut from a square shaped milk container.  The surface of the plastic is slightly rough so that you can easily write on it.  The advantage for me was that I didn't have to jump between the PC and the shop.  The plastic was about 0.6mm thick and I cut it into strips about 4mm high.  This also meant that it was often bigger than the wire which allowed you (with a bit of a tug) to slide the label and clear shrink up and down the wire to where you wanted it as the plastic slightly held the heat shrink off the wire except at the ends.



Of course you have to be able to print neatly...



Jay Hyde

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