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hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: Component Kits

When I enter all parts of a kit as indicated on the builders pages on an order form, the price doesn't add up to the component kit price. What am I missing?

bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: Component Kits

I believe there is a crating charge added to component and full kit  

orders. That might be part of what you're missing.

On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:18 PM, hansriet wrote:



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 When I enter all parts of a kit as indicated on the builders pages  

 on an order form, the price doesn't add up to the component kit  

 price. What am I missing?




	


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Heatonhe36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: Component Kits

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  You're not missing anything.  Individual parts cost more than kit  parts.  I ordered the main landing gear strut, wheels and brakes for my  601XL and they cost more than the complete landing gear kit...so I ordered the  kit and got a lot of extra parts for less money.  It's how a business  makes money.

  

 Herb

  

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hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Component Kits

Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the fuselage kit, the total is about $3,500.00, the kit price is $4,725.00.

So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the same exercise for other component kits the results are all over the map.

Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?

jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: Component Kits

I doubt very seriously that you have actually accounted for ALL the parts.  If you are taking your parts list from the illustrated parts manual, or even the detailed parts list, you are primarily missing  a lot of hardware: solid rivets, bolts, screws, nut plates, and the like that are included in a kit, but are not listed as parts.  I also doubt very seriously that you could buy all the individual airframe parts, and pieces of hardware for less than the cost of a kit.

  

     

  

     

  

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: Component Kits

Are you including all the miscellaneous hardware included in the kit?  

Such as rivets, nuts and bolts, washers, etc. And there is also the  

crating charge to cover the cost of the lumber, packaging and labor.



On Jun 6, 2009, at 8:20 PM, hansriet wrote:



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 Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the  

 fuselage kit, the total is about $3,500.00, the kit price is  

 $4,725.00.

 So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the  

 same exercise for other component kits the results are all over the  

 map.

 Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?




	


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Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

do not archive.

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tiethoff

Joined: 02 Sep 2008
Posts: 23

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: Component Kits

You forgot the transport $1225 ?



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From: "hansriet" <hansinla(at)mac.com>

Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:20 AM

To: <zenith601-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Component Kits



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 Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the fuselage 

 kit, the total is about $3,500.00, the kit price is $4,725.00.

 So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the same 

 exercise for other component kits the results are all over the map.

 Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?





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hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Component Kits

LOL. Close Eric.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the prices and/or quantities on the web-site's part list are incorrect. However it does include hardware, rivets etc.

jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: Component Kits

It now appears that you know what you are talking about. Since you are so sure about it, you definitely should go ahead and order parts instead of a kit.  Why pass up a bargain ?  Let us know how that works out.

 

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Component Kits

I built my XL airframe via the component kit route.  



Advantages of Component Kits:  Less money up front.  Better use of the storage space in your work area.  Less time for some parts to be sitting around unused and getting damaged.  You benefit from stuff that gets "new and improved" along the way before you purchase that component (for example the new BRS brackets, some of the CNC drilled skins, and the new XL nose gear would not have been available for me had I bought the whole kit at once back in 2006).  Long lead times for some parts from other vendors become less of a problem (important for guys going the Corvair route).  



Disadvantages of Component Kits::  Component kits are by no means complete.  Contents of component kits will change, and pieces (like forward top skins) that were included in a particular sub-kit 3 years ago may be included in a different sub kit by the time you get to it.  I've had to chase a lot of hardware, and there are a lot of times (as a first time builder) that I've not known that I needed something "until I needed it".  Shipping and handling costs will rise.  Redesigned parts that you receive later will not match your set of plans that was printed 3 years ago.  If Zenith goes out of business you may be stuck with pieces for half an airplane.  Spousal support that was there when you started on the $300 rudder kit may become a pain point when you need to drop a few more thousand dollars on the instruments, after dropping a few thousand on the engine, after dropping a few thousand on the fuselage, after dropping a few thousand on the wings........  



Also if you go the component route you will end up fabricating more stuff yourself (I actually consider this as an advantage, but then there is a cost associated with tools and the value of your time). 



The right decision also depends on WHEN you make it.  I honestly don't know if I'd make the same decisions if I were just starting today, although in hindsight it was a good decision for me as I look back after having started in 2006 (when the market viewed the XL in a different light than is the case in 2009).  



Going the component route worked great for me.  



- Pat

jonaburns

Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 32

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Component Kits

I went the component kit route...  I think it is the right way for some, but it ended up costing me several thousand dollars more then I should have spent.  I made my first purchase in October of 2006, and was done purchasing a few months later.   If I would have waited perhaps a year or more to complete the purchase then the opportunity costs would have been more in line.



The component kits were something like $1000.00 more expensive than the complete kit, plus shipping is more.



I also ended up reordering a few parts to get the newer versions, so that added to the costs.  My total costs with Zenith are right at $19000.00 counting component kits, shipping, extra stuff, etc...  Looking back, if building wasn't so much fun, it would have been more financially prudent to go with the QB kit and saved all the hours.  That would have also got me the LR fuel tanks and in the air much faster.



In the end, go with your budget and work on the plane as often as you can.  You will see progress and learn a lot any way you go.



I am almost done and moving to the airport for final assembly next month.



Jon Burns

Little Elm, TX

601XL/Corvair

JohnDRead(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: Component Kits

Guys, if you would just call the factory they will tell you what the total  cost of a sub kit is.

  

 John  Read

CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300



Phone: 303-648-3261

Fax:  303-648-3262

Cell: 719-494-4567   

  In a message dated 6/7/2009 8:56:42 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  jaybannist(at)cs.com writes:

 [quote]   It now appears that you know    what you are talking about. Since you are so sure about it, you definitely    should go ahead and order parts instead of a kit.  Why pass up a bargain    ?  Let us know how that works out.



Jay Bannister

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