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 Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: help! |
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Tom and Barry--
Having spent many years in the land development business I can tell you it
is a mud hole not for the faint of heart or weak of wallet. Lots of pigs
therein who like the mud. Finding knowledgeable people is not easy, but as
your friend has probably already figured, he needs a good land use attorney.
The chore is to sort through local development regulations and whatever
conditions may have been attached to the land use permits that allowed
development of the airpark in the first place to see what regulations
apply/ied and what permit limitations may have been imposed that could pop
up and bite. Often these sorts of things are done with a legal mechanism
called a "Conditional Use Permit" or something similar, that often are
approved on the "condition" that they be "compatible" with surrounding land
uses--whatever that means. Of course, "compatibility" is a moving target.
Needless to say, politicians, nosy neighbors and money are a big part of the
equation. The FAA is probably not involved unless federal money has been
used for the airport. I can't figure it out, but airports don't generally
engender a lot of support and enthusiasm from surrounding land owners. Hey!
I know! Maybe if you take them all for a ride in one of your nice CJ's they
ll get the picture! You might even sell a few! And, a little proactive PR
and respectful give and take often works wonders. Among other things, most
of us don't like being pushed around by politicians or big money out for a
killing (the usual inferred bad guy motivation) and a little public
education never hurts. 'Course, we're often seen as spoiled rich kids
trying to take over the sand box, average non-flyers not realizing we're
just a bunch of struggling taxpayers like everyone else. But, if you go to
any meetings you should probably leave your jet at home, Barry.
Dave Sclair is/was the publisher of General Aviation News. He was
apparently involved in some airpark development years ago, lives/d on one
near Tacoma, WA, and publishes/d an occasional section in GAN listing
airparks around the country called "Living with your Plane" or some such.
Good luck.
New Subject:
Hey, y'all! The Arlington Fly-in is coming up soon (July 8-12). Hope some
of you'll drop in for some good clean flyin' fun with a view of lakes,
mountains, Puget Sound and the Islands. Saw Pappy's three toed whatever
parked on the warbird ramp a few years ago (but didn't see you, Jim, wish I
had), so if he can come all the way from FLA surely some of you folks a
little closer by can make the trip. WBA is located on the east side of the
field just north of the airport entrance and administrative offices. Can't
miss it! Free dogs 'n brats every Saturday, plus who knows during the
Fly-in--we ain't no Temperance Association. Come on down!
Jerry Painter, PLS (registered Professional Land Surveyor and Land Use
Planner, ret.), CFI, A&P, airport bum
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP(at)FlyWBA.com
www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 02:12:49 PM PST US
From: Barry Hancock <bhancock(at)worldwidewarbirds.com>
Subject: HELP! Red Star Member and other flyers in danger of
loosing
Homes
Gang,
I've been asked by a friend and customer to send out this plea for
Help. He lives in Driggs, ID on a hangar home in a beautiful
Development. They have just completed the home only to run into the
City who is threatening, now, to remove their runway access
Privileges....essentially destroying not only the value of their
Homes, but also their retirement. If you can help or know anyone
That has any experience dealing with FAA/City/Airport issues and
Would be interested in supporting this important fight, please
Contact Dr. Dave Enrico at skypilot1(at)silverstar.com
See a summary article here:
http://www.tetonvalleynews.net/articles/2009/06/17/news/
Doc4a32cd4de5d97260583468.txt
The question I have, is why is a project like this even necessary
Considering the current econo.....uh, well....never mind.
Barry
Time: 10:14:52 PM PST US
From: "Tom Elliott" <N13472(at)aol.com>
Subject: RE: HELP! Red Star Member and other flyers in danger of
loosing
Homes
They need to contact the General Aviation New (GAN) the original publisher
Run the "Living with your airplane" I think
That what it is called group. For some reason having a mind fart can not
Think of his name. But have meet him and he is
A nice guy. ( may be Dave Sinclair ?)
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: help! |
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I think that the issue in Driggs, Idaho is basically with the FAA.
The injunction against the city of Driggs is, as I read it, to prevent
the city taking action on the demands of the FAA to deny access to the
"homes in hangars" and the "through the fence" hangar homes group.
The city of Driggs, it appears, has allowed the "through the fence"
and "homes in hangars" use of the airport in spite of the fact that
this is a publicly funded (taxpayer financed) facility Such funding
is done in the form of cash grants from the FAA. It is the position of
the FAA that private homes on such an airport, or access for private
homes/hangars to such a publicly funded airport that are not available
to the general flying public is a violation of the grant compliance
restrictions that the recipients of such grants agree to in accepting
public money to build/maintain/expand their airport in the first place.
Them folks whut dun dunnit (spent their big bucks on homes and
hangars) probly got their collective tits in the wringer...
metaphorically speaking.
Roger
PS Although I strongly support those grant compliance restrictions,
if these people in Driggs want to talk to someone who got away with a
similar deal, they should talk to Bill Allen. He built multi-million
dollar hangar/homes on land leased from a publicly owned and financed
airport (Gillespie Field KSEE) in San Diego. This did not please the
FAA and they demanded action. However, somehow Allen et.al. weaseled
the deal through and the fancy homes/hangars are still
there
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Jerry Painter wrote:
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<wild.blue(at)verizon.net>
Tom and Barry--
Having spent many years in the land development business I can tell
you it
is a mud hole not for the faint of heart or weak of wallet. Lots of
pigs
therein who like the mud. Finding knowledgeable people is not easy,
but as
your friend has probably already figured, he needs a good land use
attorney.
The chore is to sort through local development regulations and
whatever
conditions may have been attached to the land use permits that allowed
development of the airpark in the first place to see what regulations
apply/ied and what permit limitations may have been imposed that
could pop
up and bite. Often these sorts of things are done with a legal
mechanism
called a "Conditional Use Permit" or something similar, that often are
approved on the "condition" that they be "compatible" with
surrounding land
uses--whatever that means. Of course, "compatibility" is a moving
target.
Needless to say, politicians, nosy neighbors and money are a big
part of the
equation. The FAA is probably not involved unless federal money has
been
used for the airport. I can't figure it out, but airports don't
generally
engender a lot of support and enthusiasm from surrounding land
owners. Hey!
I know! Maybe if you take them all for a ride in one of your nice
CJ's they
ll get the picture! You might even sell a few! And, a little
proactive PR
and respectful give and take often works wonders. Among other
things, most
of us don't like being pushed around by politicians or big money out
for a
killing (the usual inferred bad guy motivation) and a little public
education never hurts. 'Course, we're often seen as spoiled rich kids
trying to take over the sand box, average non-flyers not realizing
we're
just a bunch of struggling taxpayers like everyone else. But, if
you go to
any meetings you should probably leave your jet at home, Barry.
Dave Sclair is/was the publisher of General Aviation News. He was
apparently involved in some airpark development years ago, lives/d
on one
near Tacoma, WA, and publishes/d an occasional section in GAN listing
airparks around the country called "Living with your Plane" or some
such.
Good luck.
New Subject:
Hey, y'all! The Arlington Fly-in is coming up soon (July 8-12).
Hope some
of you'll drop in for some good clean flyin' fun with a view of lakes,
mountains, Puget Sound and the Islands. Saw Pappy's three toed
whatever
parked on the warbird ramp a few years ago (but didn't see you, Jim,
wish I
had), so if he can come all the way from FLA surely some of you
folks a
little closer by can make the trip. WBA is located on the east side
of the
field just north of the airport entrance and administrative
offices. Can't
miss it! Free dogs 'n brats every Saturday, plus who knows during the
Fly-in--we ain't no Temperance Association. Come on down!
Jerry Painter, PLS (registered Professional Land Surveyor and Land Use
Planner, ret.), CFI, A&P, airport bum
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP(at)FlyWBA.com
www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 02:12:49 PM PST US
From: Barry Hancock <bhancock(at)worldwidewarbirds.com>
Subject: HELP! Red Star Member and other flyers in danger of
loosing
Homes
Gang,
I've been asked by a friend and customer to send out this plea for
Help. He lives in Driggs, ID on a hangar home in a beautiful
Development. They have just completed the home only to run into the
City who is threatening, now, to remove their runway access
Privileges....essentially destroying not only the value of their
Homes, but also their retirement. If you can help or know anyone
That has any experience dealing with FAA/City/Airport issues and
Would be interested in supporting this important fight, please
Contact Dr. Dave Enrico at skypilot1(at)silverstar.com
See a summary article here:
http://www.tetonvalleynews.net/articles/2009/06/17/news/
Doc4a32cd4de5d97260583468.txt
The question I have, is why is a project like this even necessary
Considering the current econo.....uh, well....never mind.
Barry
Time: 10:14:52 PM PST US
From: "Tom Elliott" <N13472(at)aol.com>
Subject: RE: HELP! Red Star Member and other flyers in
danger of
loosing
Homes
They need to contact the General Aviation New (GAN) the original
publisher
Run the "Living with your airplane" I think
That what it is called group. For some reason having a mind fart can
not
Think of his name. But have meet him and he is
A nice guy. ( may be Dave Sinclair ?)
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
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