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tganster
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 Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: insulation |
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Has anyone used anything other than "aircraft" insulation in the floor of their -10? I am looking for a less expensive alternative.
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johngoodman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: insulation |
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Yes, I have. I went with Abesco FP200. It's a foam-in-a-can product similar to Great Stuff but is infinitely better for airplanes, in my opinion. Sticks to aluminum, fire proof for hours, doesn't "over expand" like Great Stuff, and gives a real solid feel to the floors. A can covers about a cubic foot. You will need a little over two cans to completely fill all four floors.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: insulation |
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Can you send us pics of this installed. PLEASE
John G. Cumins
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JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
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johngoodman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: Re: insulation |
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OK, I'm attaching photos, but there is not much to see installed. I didn't include any photos of me with the can, because you probably know how to use Great Stuff, and it's the same process - The foam (pink) comes out through the wand and you back the wand out as it fills. I did it with the floors completely riveted on. For the front floors, just use the many lightening holes under the seat area and the corner inspection plates. For the rear floors I drilled holes between each rivet line in the area that is covered by the flap tube cover.
The foam only expands about 1/3rd of G-Stuff and dried pieces of it are slightly firmer. I tried to use a piece of flexible poly tubing as a wand extension and it came apart and made a mess (see photo). It cleaned up a little with acetone but if you just let it dry, you can just snap it off and a light sanding gets the rest. I had the second wand standing by so it wasn't a problem, but I would recommend you come up with a longer one piece wand. Another incorrect assumption I made was that I needed to use the whole can at once. As long as you clean the wand/trigger (just like on G-stuff) it should still be usable.
They recommend you mist the area with a little water first to get the humidity up - it helps it expand. I wore a respirator and goggles with gloves for the first can, but found the respirator in an open garage was unnecessary.
The photos show how it expands out the holes (not as much as I expected). After it dried, I snapped it off flush with a little effort. The smear in the last photo simply disappeared with a light sanding.
John
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: insulation |
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I would be concerned that it could trapoisture from rain over the years ect.
Then you would have a major corrosion problem.
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johngoodman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: Re: insulation |
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It's closed cell and cannot absorb moisture. Trapping moisture between insulation and the skin would be a problem with any type of insulation. However, Corrosion X should stop any of that
John
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