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tdawson-townsend(at)auror
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: local training?

Listers:  

   

Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be most “like” an RV-10?    

   

My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little low on the HP  

   

Other ideas?  



 TDT  

   

Tim Dawson-Townsend  

40025  

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

617-500-4812 (office)  

617-905-4800 (mobile)  

   

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: local training?

Piper Dakota. same HP, constant prop, fixed  gear.



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Dawson-Townsend,Timothy

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51  AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: local  training?

 

  

Listers: 

  

Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a  constant-speed prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local  flight schools might be most “like” an RV-10?   

  

My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant  speed, a little low on the HP 

  

Other ideas? 



TDT 

  

Tim Dawson-Townsend 

40025 

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

617-500-4812 (office) 

617-905-4800 (mobile) 

 

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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: local training?

Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow  to get both constant speed and complex time.  It's low wing, but certainly  not as powerful as the RV.  Some flight schools have the Katana, which is  the older 2-seat version of the DA-40.  That has constant speed.   Uncomfortable as hell, though.  If you don't mind high wing, find a  182.  Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's.  Helps pay their  bills.  

  

 John J



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Dawson-Townsend,Timothy

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51  AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: local  training?

 

  

Listers: 

  

Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a  constant-speed prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local  flight schools might be most “like” an RV-10?   

  

My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant  speed, a little low on the HP 

  

Other ideas? 



TDT 

  

Tim Dawson-Townsend 

40025 

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

617-500-4812 (office) 

617-905-4800 (mobile) 

 

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: local training?

If you are renting be sure and have some short term  renter's insurance. You don't want the rentor's insurance company subrogating  against you. The financial impact of even an incident is guaranteed to  complicate  the RV10 build. 

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John  Jessen

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:17 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: local  training?

 Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow  to get both constant speed and complex time.  It's low wing, but certainly  not as powerful as the RV.  Some flight schools have the Katana, which is  the older 2-seat version of the DA-40.  That has constant speed.   Uncomfortable as hell, though.  If you don't mind high wing, find a  182.  Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's.  Helps pay their  bills.  

 John J

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Dawson-Townsend,Timothy

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51  AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: local  training?

Listers: 

Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a  constant-speed prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local  flight schools might be most “like” an RV-10?   

My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant  speed, a little low on the HP 

Other ideas? 

TDT 

Tim Dawson-Townsend 

40025 

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

617-500-4812 (office) 

617-905-4800 (mobile) 

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bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: local training?

Tim,  

   

I wouldn’t worry about trying to find something that “like” an RV-10 because you really won’t.  Find something that’s fixed gear and constant speed and go with it – that will get you in the groove of dealing with the blue knob.  I don’t know what you’re used to flying but it’s likely that the two biggest transition areas are going to be speed management and the avionics.  If you’re going with a G900 panel and can find a rental with a G1000 and constant speed prop that would be ideal.  The stick will take just a few minutes to get used to.    

   

Bob  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy

 Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:51 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: local training?  

  

   

Listers:  

   

Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be most “like” an RV-10?    

   

My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little low on the HP  

   

Other ideas?  



 TDT  

   

Tim Dawson-Townsend  

40025  

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

617-500-4812 (office)  

617-905-4800 (mobile)  

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: local training?

Also need to make sure it is high performance.  Will need that sign off.  >200HP.  Beech Sierra won’t work, or anything else with a 200HP motor.  Don’t know what is in a DA-40.  

     

Rene' Felker  

RV-10 N423CF Flying  

  

801-721-6080      

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen

 Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: local training?  

  

  

   

Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both constant speed and complex time.  It's low wing, but certainly not as powerful as the RV.  Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the older 2-seat version of the DA-40.  That has constant speed.  Uncomfortable as hell, though.  If you don't mind high wing, find a 182.  Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's.  Helps pay their bills.    

   

John J  

       

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy

 Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: local training?  

Listers:  

   

Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be most “like” an RV-10?    

   

My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little low on the HP  

   

Other ideas?  



 TDT  

   

Tim Dawson-Townsend  

40025  

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

617-500-4812 (office)  

617-905-4800 (mobile)  

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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: local training?

The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if  memory serves.  But, you certainly don't need complex.  I think a  Dakota would be the other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution.  You  just need to be familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210  and over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.   

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene  Felker

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: local  training?

Also need to make sure it is  high performance.  Will need that sign off.  >200HP.  Beech  Sierra won’t work, or anything else with a 200HP motor.  Don’t know what is  in a DA-40. 

Rene'  Felker 

RV-10  N423CF Flying

801-721-6080   

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John  Jessen

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: local  training?

Not all  that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both constant speed and  complex time.  It's low wing, but certainly not as powerful as the  RV.  Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the older 2-seat version  of the DA-40.  That has constant speed.  Uncomfortable as hell,  though.  If you don't mind high wing, find a 182.  Often the CAP folks  rent out their 182's.  Helps pay their bills.   

John  J 

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Dawson-Townsend,Timothy

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51  AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: local  training? 

Listers: 

Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a  constant-speed prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local  flight schools might be most “like” an RV-10?   

My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant  speed, a little low on the HP 

Other ideas? 

TDT 

Tim Dawson-Townsend 

40025 

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

617-500-4812 (office) 

617-905-4800 (mobile) 

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: local training?

Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and 

most common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing 

variety only the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or 

PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.

In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to 

build. Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and 

higher hp.



John Jessen wrote:

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		   The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.  

 But, you certainly don't need complex.  I think a Dakota would be the 

 other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution.  You just need to be 

 familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and 

 over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay. 

 

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 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene Felker

 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: local training?

 

 Also need to make sure it is high performance.  Will need that sign 

 off.  >200HP.  Beech Sierra won’t work, or anything else with a 200HP 

 motor.  Don’t know what is in a DA-40.

 

  

 

 Rene' Felker

 

 RV-10 N423CF Flying

 

 801-721-6080

 

 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen

 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: local training?

 

  

 

 Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both 

 constant speed and complex time.  It's low wing, but certainly not as 

 powerful as the RV.  Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the 

 older 2-seat version of the DA-40.  That has constant speed.  

 Uncomfortable as hell, though.  If you don't mind high wing, find a 

 182.  Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's.  Helps pay their bills. 

 

  

 

 John J

 

  

 

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 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of 

 *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy

 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* local training?

 

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 Issue:  want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed 

 prop.  What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools 

 might be most “like” an RV-10? 

 

  

 

 My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a 

 little low on the HP

 

  

 

 Other ideas?

 

 

 TDT

 

  

 

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Kelly McMullen
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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: local training?

Kelly's correct.  Now I remember getting short tempered when I had to pay

extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.   



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: local training?

Just as long as that entry in your logbook doesn't come under scrutiny by

the FAA or an insurance company. If its certified as 200HP, the FAA is not

concerned that somebody has tests showing 201HP for a given engine.



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: local training?

If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are not any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated horsepower. Even the STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-rating MP to limit the engine to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit is +5% of rated power.

 It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is endorsing based on some phony marketing rating, they and their students risk FAA action.



On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz <ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Klugewicz" <ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)>

  

 Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with 201 HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both complex and HP training.

 



 

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: local training?

Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it doesn't qualify for H.P.?  I think if anything that the manufacturers would UNDER list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger customer base by not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly it.

Tim



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On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are not any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated horsepower. Even the STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-rating MP to limit the engine to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit is +5% of rated power.

 It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is endorsing based on some phony marketing rating, they and their students risk FAA action.



On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz <[url=mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com]ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)[/url]> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Klugewicz" <[url=mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com]ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)[/url]>

  

 Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with 201 HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both complex and HP training.

 



 

 

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: local training?

You are correct. Only TCM makes an IO-360 rated at more than 200hp, as 

in 220RV, the 210hp engine. Used in very few certified aircraft without 

turbocharging.



Tim Olson wrote:

[quote] Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it 

 doesn't qualify for H.P.?  I think if anything that the manufacturers 

 would UNDER list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger 

 customer base by not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly it.

 Tim

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com 

 <mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com>> wrote:

 

> If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are 

> not any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated 

> horsepower. Even the STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires 

> de-rating MP to limit the engine to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the 

> engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit is +5% of rated power.

> It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is 

> endorsing based on some phony marketing rating, they and their 

> students risk FAA action.

>

> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz < 

> <mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com>ck(at)chesbay.com <mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com>> wrote:

>

>     

>     <mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com>ck(at)chesbay.com <mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com>>

>

>     Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out

>     there with 201 HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which

>     is used for both complex and HP training.

>

>     --

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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: local training?

I submitted a proposal to the FSDO to give transition  training in my RV10 commercially. I included that I would include the HP  endorsement if necessary. They came back to me and said that I must agree not to  give the HP endorsement. as it could be accomplished in certified aircraft. They  acknowledged that I would have to train to HP proficiency but could not  signoff  per the agreement. I had given consideration to providing RV10  transition for the Southwest. I already had concluded that it was at best a  breakeven deal, The rules on the HP endorsement were the proverbial straw  which made the decision for me..

  

  

 For those of you needing transition training: If you  have 500-1000+  hours and a CFI friend with an RV10. It may be  possible to be added to his policy as named insured a no additional cost. He  cannot legally charge you for his time or aircraft but you can pay the  operational expenses for the flight. This works only if your insurance  requirements are small and your total time is relatively high. Otherwise your  best solution may be OR or TX at $200+ per hour plus living and transportation  expense.  

 From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim  Olson

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:42 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: local  training?

 

 Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it  doesn't qualify for H.P.?  I think if anything that the manufacturers would  UNDER list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger customer base  by not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly it.

 Tim



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On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 

 [quote]   If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are not    any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated horsepower. Even the    STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-rating MP to limit the engine to    200 hp. It doesn't matter what the engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit is    +5% of rated power.

It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If    school is endorsing based on some phony marketing rating, they and their    students risk FAA action.



   On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz <[url=mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com]ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)[/url]> wrote:

   [quote]-->      RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Klugewicz" <[url=mailto:ck(at)chesbay.com]ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)[/url]>



Actually,      there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with 201 HP      engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both complex      and HP training.

          

     

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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: local training?

I have only had my “free” flight in an RV-10 so my opinion may not be all that accurate but I’d recommend Cessna 206 time.  Those might be a bit easier to find in the rental fleet.  The rate the 206 comes out of the sky at idle felt pretty similar to power off in the 10.  I’ve got about 200 hours of 206 time and it seemed to me my 10min of 10 time felt comparable to a 206 with respect to ground handling with a heavier airframe, takeoff p-factor, pretty healthy climb for a Cessna, power off decent, big throaty motor, complexity of systems, overall stability of the platform in flight.  They aren’t quite as fast but you can make an honest 135-140kts in a 300hp 206.  

   

-Ben Westfall  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill

 Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:45 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: local training?  

  

   

I submitted a proposal to the FSDO to give transition training in my RV10 commercially. I included that I would include the HP endorsement if necessary. They came back to me and said that I must agree not to give the HP endorsement. as it could be accomplished in certified aircraft. They acknowledged that I would have to train to HP proficiency but could not signoff  per the agreement. I had given consideration to providing RV10 transition for the Southwest. I already had concluded that it was at best a breakeven deal, The rules on the HP endorsement were the proverbial straw which made the decision for me..  

   

   

For those of you needing transition training: If you have 500-1000+  hours and a CFI friend with an RV10. It may be possible to be added to his policy as named insured a no additional cost. He cannot legally charge you for his time or aircraft but you can pay the operational expenses for the flight. This works only if your insurance requirements are small and your total time is relatively high. Otherwise your best solution may be OR or TX at $200+ per hour plus living and transportation expense.       

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson

 Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:42 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: local training?    

Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it doesn't qualify for H.P.?  I think if anything that the manufacturers would UNDER list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger customer base by not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly it.  

    

Tim

 

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 On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:  

  [quote]    

If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are not any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated horsepower. Even the STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-rating MP to limit the engine to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit is +5% of rated power.

 It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is endorsing based on some phony marketing rating, they and their students risk FAA action.    

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz < (ck(at)chesbay.com)ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Klugewicz" < (ck(at)chesbay.com)ck(at)chesbay.com (ck(at)chesbay.com)>

 

 Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with 201 HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both complex and HP training.      



 

 

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