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sidsel.svein(at)oslo.onli
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 Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: Ditching |
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Kevin posted some valuable thoughts on survival gear and where to (try to) land in case of an engine failure, in response to my reference to the Norwegian CAA's VFR-guide for flying in Norway.
Flying in most parts of Norway is over either mountains/rocks, forest or water (lakes and fjords) - none or few farmers' fields in most places.
Since I have the trigear, I would be very afraid to try to set it down on water. Would it not, because of the nose wheel, ditch in with the nose and stop like hitting concrete? Is there a technique to use to have some chance of surviving? To set the tail down first would be an option, perhaps, but the risk of doing this too early and thus stalling would be great, would it not? And as soon as the main wheels hit water, the aircraft would pitch nose down anyway?
Any encouraging statistics about ditching a nosewheeled aircraft?
The mono is probably much better in this respect - - - -.
Regards,
Svein K. Johnsen
LN-SKJ
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Emne: Re: Flying to Norway
Thank you for the usefull guide to Sidsel & Svein Johnsen,it makes interesting reading, I would sugest a change in the priority given in the survival kit and sugest the survival suit be moved to the top of the list because in the winter if you go in the water without, you will be gone in under 5 min, even nr the Channel islands two winters ago two guys could not make the life raft due to the cold,only one guy survived and the air sea rescue was on the scene within 30 min, also consider plastic baging mobile phones, and or a spare hand held radio inside your flotation suit..the ex RAF suits I have are £500 new and were unused spares,,bought £35..Remember your options most of the time if you have an engine failure will be into the trees (with rocks /mountains) or in to the water which is very deep even nr the shoreline,remember to unlock your door/canopy if you need to ditch.
Some of the most memorable flying I have done so far is from Norge to the UK over Christmas 2007.
(In a motorglider some times into 20knt headwinds G/S slower than wagons below)!
Kevin.
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| Quote: | From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen <sidsel.svein(at)oslo.online.no>
Subject: Flying to Norway
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 10:26 AM
David Joyce’s
excellent information pamphlet
titled ”Flying from UK into Europe” contains a
list of countries not
requiring prior permission for Class A Permit aircraft, as
well as a list of
countries – including Norway - believed to require
prior permission.
I am pleased to
inform anyone contemplating
a flight to our country that Norway does not require prior
permission for
homebuilt aircraft flying under a valid “permit to
fly” issued by another
ECAC member state. See “VFR-guide 2009”
(written in English) for
more details on this (p. 33) and a host of other useful
information for VFR
flying in Norway, at
http://www.luftfartstilsynet.no/multimedia/archive/00006/VFR-guide_for_Norway__6222a.pdf
The simplified
customs and immigration clearance
procedure for light certified aircraft between Norway and
another Schengen
country described on page 31 applies also for homebuilt
aircraft (confirmed to
me by customs today). The flight plan copy
required by customs under
this simplified procedure may be sent by fax as stated in
the guide, or by
e-mail to desken(at)toll.no
Regards,
Svein K.
Johnsen
LN-SKJ
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frans(at)paardnatuurlijk.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: Ditching |
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Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote:
| Quote: | Any encouraging statistics about ditching a nosewheeled aircraft?
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Yes. It is not as bad as it appears, statistical data even shows that
the fatality rate with retractable gear ditchings is higher than with
conventional gear.
Many myths are torpedoed on the following website. It is probably the
best website dedicated to this subject.
http://www.equipped.com/ditchtoc.htm
Frans
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: Ditching |
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Thanks, Frans. Very interesting and reassuring to read.
Regards,
Svein
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