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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: gas

no.....  (just HAD to say that:)



Very pretty day here for once.  Actually made it to 80F.  I was  

puttering around on the car,

getting it ready for NYS inspection but really felt the urge to  

aviate.  As I have previously posted

I had been having mysterious fuel/carb problems.  Thought I gone  

through just about everything and

the plane seemed ok.  While it was warming up and I was wiping bug  

crap it died.  -That took the edge off my

enthusiasm.

I knew it was still fuel.  I pulled the line off the filter and ran  

the master.  Yellow fuel came out followed by a lighter color.

I cleaned the float valve with carb cleaner,  drained the tank and  

refilled with fresh.  Purged some more and hooked it back up.



Seems ok again, visited a couple of neighbors,  made a go-around over  

the trees on one guy's short lumpy strip

after a bounced landing.  Still getting used to those legs.



I don't like that gas problem.  Never had it before after 40 years of  

running car gas.  My neighbor winters near Ft Meyers

and was talking to a boat dealer there.  Said he has never had as  

many boat engines suffering fuel problems.



BTW, I DO clean the tanks every spring and put in fresh gas and  

change the filter.  The stuff I took out of the tank today

was definitely darker in color than the fresh gas.  All I can advise  

is to pour a sample of every can into

a clear container and look at it.



I hate &%#? ethanol.

BB

MkIII  suzuki

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: gas

> BTW, I DO clean the tanks every spring and put in fresh gas and

 	  Quote: 	
		   change the filter.  The stuff I took out of the tank today

 was definitely darker in color than the fresh gas.  All I can advise  is 

 to pour a sample of every can into

 a clear container and look at it.



 I hate &%#? ethanol.

 BB

 MkIII  suzuki


	


Bob B:



I have been running more 100LL than mogas lately.



Since I don't fly much locally any more, I like having 100LL in the tank and 

fuel system.  It stores much better than ethanol laced fuel.  No problems 

yet.



john h

mkIII

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: gas

John,  I think I will start doing that too, especially considering  

how few hours I fly anyway.

This gas situation gives me the willies, heebie jeebies, and there's  

a golfer's term for it too,I forget. (the YIPS?)



Say hi to the folks in PA and if you are ambitious and the weather is  

bad going home, stop up here and

cool off. I'll buy you a tank of 100LL

BB



On 15, Jul 2009, at 6:46 PM, John Hauck wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 > BTW, I DO clean the tanks every spring and put in fresh gas and

> change the filter.  The stuff I took out of the tank today

> was definitely darker in color than the fresh gas.  All I can  

> advise  is to pour a sample of every can into

> a clear container and look at it.

>

> I hate &%#? ethanol.

> BB

> MkIII  suzuki



 Bob B:



 I have been running more 100LL than mogas lately.



 Since I don't fly much locally any more, I like having 100LL in the  

 tank and fuel system.  It stores much better than ethanol laced  

 fuel.  No problems yet.



 john h

 mkIII

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donaho1(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: Gas

Just this year I started using Marine Sta-Bil in all the 92 octane gas I 

run in the 503. It says it will take care of all the things that concern me 

about ethanol. We will see. Lanny FSII

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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Gas

Pure auto gas went away here completely a few months ago so I started running it around that time. Fortunately no problems as the tank was already very clean to begin with.



What I do is start robbing gas out of the plane with the siphon if I don't get to fly for longer than about 2 weeks. I burn it in the truck which usually needs gas anyway.



This way, the tank always has freshly pumped gas in it one way or the other when I go fly. We live in a dry climate so this may be a little paranoid I'll admit but it has worked to keep my fuel system clean so far.



I've been lucky and have been able to go up and get the motor to operating temp at least once a week but sometimes I'm grounded longer than that.



There's an attempt being made now to increase the ethanol concentrations to 15% by the ethanol industry. If it goes through (and I'll bet a million that it does) then I'll have no choice but to go back to 100LL. 100LL keeps a lot better anyway as John H. says.....



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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject: Gas

Wondering if a quart of av gas mixed with a tank of rot gut would act 

similarly to Sta Bil?   Herb



At 07:04 PM 7/15/2009, you wrote:

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Just this year I started using Marine Sta-Bil in all the 92 octane 

gas I run in the 503. It says it will take care of all the things 

that concern me about ethanol. We will see. Lanny FSII

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

07/15/09 17:58:00

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Jean Bilodeau

Joined: 02 Jul 2009
Posts: 3

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: gas

The main concern about fuel containing ethanol is that the fuel lines are not necessarily compatible and may actually start to dissolve from the inside. This will lead to partial and even total blockage. The same is true for fuel containing <cleaning>. I used it once in my Pietenpol and is made my fuel gage float swell to the point where I had to destroy it to get it out of the tank. if regular fuel is no longer available, the choices are Avgas or marine.

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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: Decalin Runup

Speaking of 100LL, has anyone noticed any benefit from using Decalin Runup? I noticed it was approved for use in the 912 in the latest SB (where E10 was approved), but Rotax merely said it did no harm....



On the occasions I run 100LL, I might use the Decalin to help keep 'er clean, if it actually works....



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