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stokesc(at)wildblue.net
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: 582 stuck

My 582 is stuck.  I have put considerable force on the prop and it

 simply will not move the engine (some movement due to the gear

 box slop).

 During the winter (temp appx 50 degrees) I broke in the engine using

 rotax procedure.  Every thing normal.  No overheat or high EGT's 

 noted.  Ran engine another half/hour checking things out.  Replaced 

 bad EGT gage.  Weather and other things kept the plane in the garage.

 Began taxi testing in June.  Engine starts nicely and after shutdown 

 hand swinging the prop can easily move the engine (temps appx 75 deg).

 Then after a few taxi test of about 15 minutes, I noticed after shutdown 

 when hand swinging the prop it was stuck but could be easily forced

 to move the engine.  Temps are now appx 85 degrees.  Water temp

 stays at 175 deg and EGTs between 1100 and 1250 during the taxi runs. 

 Taxi runs are short - the runway is 2000' on grass.

 Its has been raining so have not run the engine for a few days.

 Now the engine is stuck!  Temps appx 60 deg.       Help !

 Any ideas.?

 Using premium car gas 91 Oct with no ethanol.

 I purchased the kit and engine in 1992.

 Engine has been stored as I received it.  First run of engine in 2008

 I have not flown airplane yet - still trying to qualify for insurance.

  

 Cecil in North Idaho

 Kitfox Md4 1050

 582 grey head C box

  

  

  

  

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Guy Buchanan

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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: 582 stuck

At 08:23 PM 7/13/2009, you wrote:

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		  Now the engine is stuck!  Temps appx 60 deg.       Help !

Any ideas.?


	


Hydraulic lock? Any chance one of the cases has filled with fuel or 

water or oil? Pull the exhaust at the elbow and look for fluid coming 

out the exhaust port. It sounds like, at a minimum, you'll have to 

pull the top end apart to check for seizure, leaks, and hydraulic lock.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting

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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: 582 stuck

Remove spark plugs and try to pull prop through by hand, pour small amount  of Marvel Mystery Oil or common automatic transmission fluid into cylinders  through spark plug holes, wait overnight, pull prop through by hand.  Check  compression reading, look for damage, missing tools.

  

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At    08:23 PM 7/13/2009, you wrote:

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		  Now the engine is stuck!  Temps    appx 60 deg.       Help !

Any    ideas.?


	


Hydraulic lock? Any chance one of the cases has filled with    fuel or 

water or oil? Pull the exhaust at the elbow and look for fluid    coming 

out the exhaust port. It sounds like, at a minimum, you'll have to    

pull the top end apart to check for seizure, leaks, and hydraulic    lock.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: 582 stuck

Will the engine turn over easily with one plug from each cylinder removed?



Is there any sign of fuel in the impulse line?



How do the plugs look?



Noel



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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: 582 stuck

Hey Cecil,



It sure sounds like that engine is severely seized.  I can't imagine

what could stop the prop from turning unless a piston is stuck.  Since

this is a water cooled engine it can damage the piston and cylinder wall

and not show much rise in water temperature.



My engine EGT's were always very cold on the ground, never much over

1000 even at high power.  In the air as the engine unloads is where the

EGT's rise to 1100.  1200 is red line.



Take the top end apart and start looking at the cylinder walls.  You

should see a pretty cross-hatch pattern with no deep vertical scratches.

Also check the pistons for galling and damage.  The rings should be

free.  If there is damage it probably means shipping your cylinders off

to South Mississippi for work.



Good Luck,



Mark Napier





Time: 08:28:06 PM PST US

Subject: 582 stuck

From: Cecil Stokesberry <stokesc(at)wildblue.net>



My 582 is stuck.  I have put considerable force on the prop and it

simply will not move the engine (some movement due to the gear

box slop).

During the winter (temp appx 50 degrees) I broke in the engine using

rotax procedure.  Every thing normal.  No overheat or high EGT's

noted.  Ran engine another half/hour checking things out.  Replaced

bad EGT gage.  Weather and other things kept the plane in the garage.

Began taxi testing in June.  Engine starts nicely and after shutdown

hand swinging the prop can easily move the engine (temps appx 75 deg).

Then after a few taxi test of about 15 minutes, I noticed after shutdown

when hand swinging the prop it was stuck but could be easily forced

to move the engine.  Temps are now appx 85 degrees.  Water temp

stays at 175 deg and EGTs between 1100 and 1250 during the taxi runs.

Taxi runs are short - the runway is 2000' on grass.

Its has been raining so have not run the engine for a few days.

Now the engine is stuck!  Temps appx 60 deg.       Help !

Any ideas.?

Using premium car gas 91 Oct with no ethanol.

I purchased the kit and engine in 1992.

Engine has been stored as I received it.  First run of engine in 2008

I have not flown airplane yet - still trying to qualify for insurance.



Cecil in North Idaho

Kitfox Md4 1050

582 grey head C box

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: 582 stuck

Did you break in with pre mix? 

Has the oil level gone done in the oil injection  mix bottle ? 



Rather than pulling off the  top end just pull the exhaust and /or Y pipe to look at cylinders. You will see scoring if there is any. 



Could be  hydraulic locked....  has the fuel level gone done? 



That a good start



Dave

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