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paul perry

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 36

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Again, thanks to everyone who responded to my orig post about the Kreem Prob, and I thought I would add some more info on what prompted me to look into the fuel tanks for a problem as well as post pics I took of the inside of the tanks with a mini webcam. I purchased the plane from the orig builder about a year ago, and started using unleaded gas either 89 or 93 oct (912ul 80hp) around Sept.(engine time around 100hrs). Within a couple of months I started having problems every once in a while when starting the engine it would run extremely rough initially, but after shutting down, turning prop by hand, it would start and run fine. I could note when it started but running rough, that I would have a cold cylinder (usually #1 or #2) . These symptoms gradually got worse until recently, after engine was shut down and cooled off (a few hours), I would have no compression at all and have to turn prop over by hand or crank with starter, then wait, then do it some more to finally start getting compression..i.e. sticking valves. Time on engine is now about 130hrs.  I talked to a rotax repairman in Arlington,TN (Rodney Hardin) and he told me he had seen this happen on 912's and had found fiberglass fuel tanks being "dissolved" by the ethanol in the auto gas and the resulting contamination was causing the stuck valve problem. When looking thru the fuel tank filler  opening I  could see significant areas of exposed fiberglass and the flaking Kreem, so following his suggestion: I drained the fuel system and disconnected fuel lines,  hooked up a temp fuel tank, and added a fuel system/valve cleaner additive, I removed the valve covers one at a time and sprayed a small amount of carb cleaner on valve stems and turned prop by hand until I got enough compression to start the engine and ground ran for about 45 minutes on Friday.  On Saturday when I first turned the prop by hand I did not have the normal full compression(like I feel when shutting down engine) , but enough to start engine and it ran normally (no roughness) and so I ground ran for another 20 minutes. On Sunday I turned prop over by hand and it had what I believe to be "full compression" on all cylinders like it used to before this scenario started. Mr Hardin said he had seen fiberglass tanks (not kitfox ones) that were deteriorated so bad they were not structurally sound and attributed this to the ethanol in the gas. At this point I can only say that I believe something in the unleaded gas reacted with either the fiberglass resin, or the Kreem, or the mil-h-6000 fuel hose and caused the sticking valve problem. My plan now is to remove wings and use MEK to remove the Kreem and then re-slosh with Kreem per several replies to my original post. I am also going to change the fuel lines to one of the types recommended on this or the rotax forum. Sorry for the length of this post, but maybe someone else may benefit from my experience.

          Thanks again, Paul Perry KFIV 912ul

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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

WOW, that picture is unbelievable.

If Kreem is done right the ethanol can't hurt it. This was either done very wrong or it is not really Kreem.

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brianm(at)snolab.ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Hi



Does anyone know where Kreem can be purchased in Canada. I can't seem to

find it.

Thanks

Brian 



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paul perry

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 36

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

I'm assuming that the Kreem was coming off for sometime probably due to the inadequate cleaning of the release agent from the mold process by the manufacturer (Skystar?)  as stated on this forum by several others. Sorry, I'm not familiar with what's available in Canada, but it can be purchased from JC Whitney online, and you might check with motorcycle parts suppliers.    Paul P.

Ken Potter

Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 85
Location: Lanark, Ontario

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Brian;



Kreem is available from JC Whitney online and they do ship to Canada.



Cheers



Ken

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brianm(at)snolab.ca
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Hi Ken



Thanks



I found it today locally here in Sudbury at a business called the "Shop"

705-682-4463. They bring it in at $48.95 for a one liter kit.

Brian



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Is there anyone actually having ethanol tanks fall apart yet ? 



Mine have no Kreem coating and I must just be lucky  to not have leaks ? 

After seeing those flakes of Kreem above, I think I would have to see a tank fall apart  before I put that stuff in my tanks.



I am looking at adding tanks to 2 Kitfoxs  both Model 2 s with no wing tanks.   Wingtanks.com plastic tanks seem to fit the bill. Has anyone used these ? 

Dave

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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Hi Dave,



Looking at those tanks, I don't think the Kreem coating was done right from the start. Ethanol doesn't effect Kreem like that unless it was done wrong and got up under the coating and loosened it. Something was definitely wrong.

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Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

occom

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 404

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Hi Dave, have a closer look at the web site, those tanks are intended to 

retrofit inside the glass tanks from Kitfox. So unless you want to adapt 

something it may be more trouble than just ordering the new ones from 

Kitfox. as I understand it the new ones use a more resistant resin.



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

 	  occom wrote: 	
		  Hi Dave, have a closer look at the web site, those tanks are intended to 

retrofit inside the glass tanks from Kitfox. So unless you want to adapt 

something it may be more trouble than just ordering the new ones from 

Kitfox. as I understand it the new ones use a more resistant resin.



--- 	




I talked to Them and they said you can mount them alone and not in an existing tank as well.   Web site is kind of vague I agree.  But the tanks are not like fiberglass tanks that are resistant but  are ethanol proof.   



Alot of others use this style of tank as well.  RAns, Highlander,  Beavers, Chinnooks  etc.......  I think they are far superior  to glass tanks.  Some say that the fiberglass tanks are a structural part of  the Kitfox wing. I am not sure but if so then then that means if the tank fails ore weakens due to it being resistant than the structural integrity would be compromised.  So if you tanks leak then it not safe to fly ?

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Dave,



I think the great unknown is the wing bracing.  In the manual, with the 

original panel tank, there were drag - antidrag tubes mounted in the wing 

tank area.  Then with the optional 6 gallon and 13 gallon tanks with the 

option of substituting wing lockers, etc. there are several optional drag - 

antidrag configurations offered.  For my money, and I am talking potential 

liability if I was doing the installation for others in the course of a 

business, I would not take the word of the tank manufacturer for what can be 

done or not done.  Of course if the tank guys would send documentation that 

would indemnify you in the event of a claim - go for it.  Yea right!



The talk here in the list is that if you cut the top off the original tanks, 

leaving their structure in the wing for bracing, the tanks could then be 

installed within the old tanks.  With that being said, If the tanks serve 

well alone, why were they designed to conveniently fit within the old tanks. 

Not a grand coincidence I would think.



Lowell



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scottsr1100rt(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:24 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

For what it's worth, I looked into these replacement tanks after I decided to replace mine, that fell apart. Although I'm sure they would work fine, I decided to take the advice of Kitfox LLC and purchase the tanks from them. Kitfox's concern was lack of testing as the tanks are part of the wing structure.



Scott



--- On Wed, 7/29/09, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

[quote]

From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 7:31 AM



--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <[url=/mc/compose?to=lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net]lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net[/url]>



Dave,



I think the great unknown is the wing bracing.  In the manual, with the original panel tank, there were drag - antidrag tubes mounted in the wing tank area.  Then with the optional 6 gallon and 13 gallon tanks with the option of substituting wing lockers, etc. there are several optional drag - antidrag configurations offered.  For my money, and I am talking potential liability if I was doing the installation for others in the course of a business, I would not take the word of the tank manufacturer for what can be done or not done.  Of course if the tank guys would send documentation that would indemnify you in the event of a claim - go for it.  Yea right!



The talk here in the list is that if you cut the top off the original tanks, leaving their structure in the wing for bracing, the tanks could then be installed within the old  tanks.  With that being said, If the tanks serve well alone, why were they designed to conveniently fit within the old tanks. Not a grand coincidence I would think.



Lowell



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pwmac(at)sisna.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Lowell,

  Good point. I would think a structural engineer blessed by kitfox 

llc would be in order regardless of what the tank builder says. The 

drag/anti are not put in just to add weight.

PW

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At 08:31 AM 7/29/2009, you wrote:

[quote]



Dave,



I think the great unknown is the wing bracing.  In the manual, with 

the original panel tank, there were drag - antidrag tubes mounted in 

the wing tank area.  Then with the optional 6 gallon and 13 gallon 

tanks with the option of substituting wing lockers, etc. there are 

several optional drag - antidrag configurations offered.  For my 

money, and I am talking potential liability if I was doing the 

installation for others in the course of a business, I would not 

take the word of the tank manufacturer for what can be done or not 

done.  Of course if the tank guys would send documentation that 

would indemnify you in the event of a claim - go for it.  Yea right!



The talk here in the list is that if you cut the top off the 

original tanks, leaving their structure in the wing for bracing, the 

tanks could then be installed within the old tanks.  With that being 

said, If the tanks serve well alone, why were they designed to 

conveniently fit within the old tanks. Not a grand coincidence I would think.



Lowell



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

I agree.....I used Kreem in my never-before-used fuel tanks, and  

haven't had a bit of problem in over three years of use. The trick is  

to follow the instructions...this is NOT an area in which to  

*experiment*. Of course, I fly an airplane, and use airplane fuel,  

not fuel meant for an automobile.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 712 hrs

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Status: flying





On Jul 28, 2009, at 10:58 PM, Roger Lee wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hi Dave,



 Looking at those tanks, I don't think the Kreem coating was done  

 right from the start. Ethanol doesn't effect Kreem like that unless  

 it was done wrong and got up under the coating and loosened it.  

 Something was definitely wrong.



 --------

 Roger Lee

 Tucson, Az.

 Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated

 Rotax Service Center

 520-574-1080





 Read this topic online here:



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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

ltaylor02(at)Chartermi.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:50 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Hello Lynn,  I tried to catch you while at Oshkosh.  I had a chance to see 

your plane and Stan's.  Stan was very helpful.  I'm just beginning a Kitfox 

IV-1200 build.  The plane was purchased in 1993 from Skystar.  Approximately 

5% of the build was completed before the owner died.  It's been sitting 

stored since 2001.  It comes with a new grey head 582.  I'm trying to decide 

what to do with the engine which requires complete disassembly, inspection, 

and rebuild if I'm going to use it.  So the question is:  How do you like 

your Jabiru 2200?  Would you install the same engine with the experience 

that you've gained with this engine?  Where did you get your engine mount? 

Would you be willing the send me pictures of your installation?  And, 

lastly, if I choose the 2200, would you consider mentoring my installation?



The totally install price (nearly $25K), of the 912, which I had in a Pulsar 

XP, is just getting ridiculous.



Beautiful plane by the way and I got to see you depart.



Best Regards,

Lane

Long EZ, 213EZ

and now Kitfox Model IV owner/builder and hope to be flyer...

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

I'd be glad to help, Lane. Sorry I missed you at Osh.

Other than a couple of minor problems and one major (a broken timing  

gear that caused a forced landing), I'm very happy with the engine.  

The broken gear was apparently a very rare occurrence, and I haven't  

heard of others having the same problem. That aside, I would  

definitely go with another Jabiru, even if this went went "south"  

again. I just like the simplicity of installation, the air-cooling,  

and the direct drive. A Rotax will climb out better due to its  

reduction drive and ability to swing a longer prop, but climbing is  

only part of the flight. I got my engine mount from Pete Krotje at  

Jabiru USA, in Tennessee. I will send you pictures later on  

today....if I forget, just remind me via my personal email address:   

lynnmatt(at)jps.net



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 720 hrs

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying

On Jul 31, 2009, at 7:40 AM, lst wrote:



[quote] 



 Hello Lynn,  I tried to catch you while at Oshkosh.  I had a chance  

 to see your plane and Stan's.  Stan was very helpful.  I'm just  

 beginning a Kitfox IV-1200 build.  The plane was purchased in 1993  

 from Skystar.  Approximately 5% of the build was completed before  

 the owner died.  It's been sitting stored since 2001.  It comes  

 with a new grey head 582.  I'm trying to decide what to do with the  

 engine which requires complete disassembly, inspection, and rebuild  

 if I'm going to use it.  So the question is:  How do you like your  

 Jabiru 2200?  Would you install the same engine with the experience  

 that you've gained with this engine?  Where did you get your engine  

 mount? Would you be willing the send me pictures of your  

 installation?  And, lastly, if I choose the 2200, would you  

 consider mentoring my installation?



 The totally install price (nearly $25K), of the 912, which I had in  

 a Pulsar XP, is just getting ridiculous.



 Beautiful plane by the way and I got to see you depart.



 Best Regards,

 Lane

 Long EZ, 213EZ

 and now Kitfox Model IV owner/builder and hope to be flyer...

 ---

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Glenn Horne

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 96

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

I bought a kit (model II) from a guy in 2002 and it had a 582 gray head 

engine. I

built the Model II and installed the engine and never did anything

to it. when I was ready to fly (2005)crank the engine and it ran perfect. 

Did the break in procedure

and flew the aircraft. I sold the model II to a guy in Edna TX. and he now 

has over 200 hr. on the 582.

I would do the same with yours if it was mine, but if you don't think is 

safe don't do it.

This is for information only

Kitfox Model II

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patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Lynn C When you going to have that TBI installed? Do Not Archive.

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild 

 Rockford C IL

 

[quote] From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 Subject: Re: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

 Date: Fri C 31 Jul 2009 11:11:25 -0400

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

 

 I'd be glad to help C Lane. Sorry I missed you at Osh.

 Other than a couple of minor problems and one major (a broken timing 

 gear that caused a forced landing) C I'm very happy with the engine. 

 The broken gear was apparently a very rare occurrence C and I haven't 

 heard of others having the same problem. That aside C I would 

 definitely go with another Jabiru C even if this went went "south" 

 again. I just like the simplicity of installation C the air-cooling C 

 and the direct drive. A Rotax will climb out better due to its 

 reduction drive and ability to swing a longer prop C but climbing is 

 only part of the flight. I got my engine mount from Pete Krotje at 

 Jabiru USA C in Tennessee. I will send you pictures later on 

 today....if I forget C just remind me via my personal email address: 

 lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 

 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger

 Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 720 hrs

 Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection

 Status: flying

 

 

 

 

 

 

 On Jul 31 C 2009 C at 7:40 AM C lst wrote:

 

 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "lst" <ltaylor02(at)chartermi.net>

 >

 > Hello Lynn C I tried to catch you while at Oshkosh. I had a chance 

 > to see your plane and Stan's. Stan was very helpful. I'm just 

 > beginning a Kitfox IV-1200 build. The plane was purchased in 1993 

 > from Skystar. Approximately 5% of the build was completed before 

 > the owner died. It's been sitting stored since 2001. It comes 

 > with a new grey head 582. I'm trying to decide what to do with the 

 > engine which requires complete disassembly C inspection C and rebuild 

 > if I'm going to use it. So the question is: How do you like your 

 > Jabiru 2200? Would you install the same engine with the experience 

 > that you've gained with this engine? Where did you get your engine 

 > mount? Would you be willing the send me pictures of your 

 > installation? And C lastly C if I choose the 2200 C would you 

 > consider mentoring my installation?

 >

 > The totally install price (nearly $25K) C of the 912 C which I had in 

 > a Pulsar XP C is just getting ridiculous.

 >

 > Beautiful plane by the way and I got to see you depart.

 >

 > Best Regards C

 > Lane

 > Long EZ C 213EZ

 > and now Kitfox Model IV owner/builder and hope to be flyer...

 >

 >

 > ---

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

I'm working on it now, Pat. Should be a few days at most. Rather than  

wait for a new cable to arrive, and have to negotiate a curve in it,  

I am going with a bellcrank device, but having second thoughts about  

it after working all day on it. Gonna sleep on it and see how I feel  

about the method in the morning.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 720 hrs

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying

do not archive



On Jul 31, 2009, at 7:34 PM, patrick reilly wrote:



[quote] Lynn, When you going to have that TBI installed? Do Not Archive.



 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL



 > From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 > Subject: Re: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

 > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:11:25 -0400

 > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 >

 > 

 >

 > I'd be glad to help, Lane. Sorry I missed you at Osh.

 > Other than a couple of minor problems and one major (a broken timing

 > gear that caused a forced landing), I'm very happy with the engine.

 > The broken gear was apparently a very rare occurrence, and I haven't

 > heard of others having the same problem. That aside, I would

 > definitely go with another Jabiru, even if this went went "south"

 > again. I just like the simplicity of installation, the air-cooling,

 > and the direct drive. A Rotax will climb out better due to its

 > reduction drive and ability to swing a longer prop, but climbing is

 > only part of the flight. I got my engine mount from Pete Krotje at

 > Jabiru USA, in Tennessee. I will send you pictures later on

 > today....if I forget, just remind me via my personal email address:

 > lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 >

 > Lynn Matteson

 > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

 > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 720 hrs

 > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 > Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 > Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection

 > Status: flying

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > On Jul 31, 2009, at 7:40 AM, lst wrote:

 >

 > > 

 > >

 > > Hello Lynn, I tried to catch you while at Oshkosh. I had a chance

 > > to see your plane and Stan's. Stan was very helpful. I'm just

 > > beginning a Kitfox IV-1200 build. The plane was purchased in 1993

 > > from Skystar. Approximately 5% of the build was completed before

 > > the owner died. It's been sitting stored since 2001. It comes

 > > with a new grey head 582. I'm trying to decide what to do with the

 > > engine which requires complete disassembly, inspection, and  

 rebuild

 > > if I'm going to use it. So the question is: How do you like your

 > > Jabiru 2200? Would you install the same engine with the experience

 > > that you've gained with this engine? Where did you get your engine

 > > mount? Would you be willing the send me pictures of your

 > > installation? And, lastly, if I choose the 2200, would you

 > > consider mentoring my installation?

 > >

 > > The totally install price (nearly $25K), of the 912, which I  

 had in

 > > a Pulsar XP, is just getting ridiculous.

 > >

 > > Beautiful plane by the way and I got to see you depart.

 > >

 > > Best Regards,

 > > Lane

 > > Long EZ, 213EZ

 > > and now Kitfox Model IV owner/builder and hope to be flyer...

 > >

 > >

 > > ---

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Follow Up

Lynn C The original builder of my plane's strong suit wasn't electrical. He for sure wasn't using the shielding going to the strobes. He had it tied in with the wire's main element out at the wing tip C and I tried for a while to figure any logical reason in running from the buss to the switch and then to the fuse.

  

 Our EAA Chapter is planning to hold a fall cup race. The spring one had a 1/2 hour course for your type plane. There were 2 582 powered Avid flyers entered. If you want to come out for the race C you can stay with me. Haven't got the date yet. I'll post it here when we have the date. 

 Do not archive

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford C IL

  

[quote] From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

 Date: Fri C 31 Jul 2009 21:31:29 -0400

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

 

 I'm working on it now C Pat. Should be a few days at most. Rather than 

 wait for a new cable to arrive C and have to negotiate a curve in it C 

 I am going with a bellcrank device C but having second thoughts about 

 it after working all day on it. Gonna sleep on it and see how I feel 

 about the method in the morning.

 

 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger

 Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 720 hrs

 Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection

 Status: flying

 do not archive

 

 

 

 

 

 On Jul 31 C 2009 C at 7:34 PM C patrick reilly wrote:

 

 > Lynn C When you going to have that TBI installed? Do Not Archive.

 >

 > Pat Reilly

 > Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 > Rockford C IL

 >

 > > From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Follow Up

 > > Date: Fri C 31 Jul 2009 11:11:25 -0400

 > > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 > >

 > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

 > >

 > > I'd be glad to help C Lane. Sorry I missed you at Osh.

 > > Other than a couple of minor problems and one major (a broken timing

 > > gear that caused a forced landing) C I'm very happy with the engine.

 > > The broken gear was apparently a very rare occurrence C and I haven't

 > > heard of others having the same problem. That aside C I would

 > > definitely go with another Jabiru C even if this went went "south"

 > > again. I just like the simplicity of installation C the air-cooling C

 > > and the direct drive. A Rotax will climb out better due to its

 > > reduction drive and ability to swing a longer prop C but climbing is

 > > only part of the flight. I got my engine mount from Pete Krotje at

 > > Jabiru USA C in Tennessee. I will send you pictures later on

 > > today....if I forget C just remind me via my personal email address:

 > > lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 > >

 > > Lynn Matteson

 > > Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger

 > > Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 720 hrs

 > > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 > > Soon to have Rotec TBI-40 injection

 > > Status: flying

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > > On Jul 31 C 2009 C at 7:40 AM C lst wrote:

 > >

 > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "lst" <ltaylor02(at)chartermi.net>

 > > >

 > > > Hello Lynn C I tried to catch you while at Oshkosh. I had a chance

 > > > to see your plane and Stan's. Stan was very helpful. I'm just

 > > > beginning a Kitfox IV-1200 build. The plane was purchased in 1993

 > > > from Skystar. Approximately 5% of the build was completed before

 > > > the owner died. It's been sitting stored since 2001. It comes

 > > > with a new grey head 582. I'm trying to decide what to do with the

 > > > engine which requires complete disassembly C inspection C and 

 > rebuild

 > > > if I'm going to use it. So the question is: How do you like your

 > > > Jabiru 2200? Would you install the same engine with the experience

 > > > that you've gained with this engine? Where did you get your engine

 > > > mount? Would you be willing the send me pictures of your

 > > > installation? And C lastly C if I choose the 2200 C would you

 > > > consider mentoring my installation?

 > > >

 > > > The totally install price (nearly $25K) C of the 912 C which I 

 > had in

 > > > a Pulsar XP C is just getting ridiculous.

 > > >

 > > > Beautiful plane by the way and I got to see you depart.

 > > >

 > > > Best Regards C

 > > > Lane

 > > > Long EZ C 213EZ

 > > > and now Kitfox Model IV owner/builder and hope to be flyer...

 > > >

 > > >

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