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 Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: victim of prop blast |
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Wed my wife and I went to the airport and prepared for a ride around the valley. We were waiting at the intersection of the taxiway and alpha 1, when a aero star pulled onto the taxiway at alpha 3,,,, because I was not warmed up and trying to be as hospitable as possible, I radioed to the aero star driver and told him I was going to give him enough room to get to the runway with out any problems. Probably my first mistake, should have held my ground. But I went back and parked in the center of the ramp, the aero star driver pulled onto alpha 1 at an angle and pointed his prop blast directly on me and proceeded to do a run up. I called on the radio and told him of the problem and he did not back off.
So today I confronted him at the airport and he told me that he did not have to concern himself with his prop blast with an ultra light in the area, I informed him that it was not an ultra light, but an experimental. So he told me he did not have to watch his prop blast for an experimental either. But it was my fault and my poor flying skills that put me in that position.
So I told him to watch for the call from the faa and he shrugged it off, so I went to the fbo and asked for the fsdo phone number, I was told that because there was no damage that they could not do much to him, BUT I could file a formal complaint, So I did. Again because there was no damage they could not do anything but talk to him, and put it in the records… so I thought that if that is all that can be done that will be enough. The investigator at the salt lake Fsdo called me back an hour or so later and said that the pilot was quite respectful when talking to him , and he was told in no uncertain terms that part 93 states that he cant anytime he was in a plane, during startup, taxi, run up, takeoff, etc that he was responsible for his prop blast and he did have to be aware of his surroundings, even to an ultra light. And that his actions according to part 93 were “careless and reckless”
When I went to talk to him, had he said “sorry” I would have been ok with that, but his attitude did not sit well with me and the rest is history.
So if you don’t know,,,,, call and ask. Just don’t put up with their poor procedures and attitudes. We have just as much rights as they do.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 600+ hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
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Thom Riddle
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:45 am Post subject: Re: victim of prop blast |
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Boyd,
You definitely did the right thing. Occasionally we run into arrogant pilots who need some reprimanding by the FAA.
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Thom Riddle
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:45 am Post subject: Re: victim of prop blast |
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Boyd,
You definitely did the right thing. Occasionally we run into arrogant pilots who need some reprimanding by the FAA.
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ces308
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: Re: victim of prop blast |
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Good for you ! Bravo !!!
chris ambrose
m3x/jab-44.6+
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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: victim of prop blast |
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| Quote: | So I told him to watch for the call from the faa and he shrugged it off, so I went to the fbo and asked for the fsdo phone number, I was told that because there was no damage >that they could not do much to him, BUT I could file a formal complaint, So I did. Again because there was no damage they could not do anything but talk to him, and put it in >the records… so I thought that if that is all that can be done that will be enough. The investigator at the salt lake Fsdo called me back an hour or so later and said that the pilot > was quite respectful when talking to him , and he was told in no uncertain terms that part 93 states that he cant anytime he was in a plane, during startup, taxi, run up, takeoff, >etc that he was responsible for his prop blast and he did have to be aware of his surroundings, even to an ultra light. And that his actions according to part 93 were “careless >and reckless”
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Ok,,, for those of you that like to look for regs, I mis quoted. it was not in section 93 sorry….
Far, section 91.13 Careless or reckless operation.
- aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No person may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another.
- Aircraft operations other than for the purpose of air navigation, no person may operate an aircraft, other than for the purpose of air navigation, on any part of the surface of an airport used by aircraft for air commerce ( including areas used by those aircraft for receiving or discharging persons or cargo), in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another.
I guess I had received an interpretation of the section by two individuals, and my interpretation of what I had heard included, “, during startup, taxi, run up, takeoff, >etc that he was responsible for his prop blast and he did have to be aware of his surroundings, even to an ultra light. “
Again sorry for any mis information.
Boyd Yong
Kolb MKIIIC
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lucien
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: Re: victim of prop blast |
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Yeah we always kind of have to be careful about things like this. We can all to easily find ourselves on the other end of the stick - being accused of doing X,Y,Z to P,Q,R and having to defend ourselves at considerable time and cost even tho the accusations can be trumped up and just the result of someone wanting to abuse the system because they're just jerks.
I personally want to involve FAA and FSDO only as a very, very last resort in case of a problem. If I run into an issue with someone else my preference is to either just let it go or just keep the dealings between us.
Course all that changes in the case of property damage, that's a whole 'nother story.
As for prop blast, try jet engine blast. We mix it up with turbo props and jets of all sizes where I fly at. Once I was in the runup area when one of the big commuter jets was taxiing to the active. As he turned onto the runway, I was situated right exactly in his jet blast doing my mag check. Can you say "oh crap"... there wasn't time for me to move out of the way so I swung directly into it, put in some down elevator, centered the ailerons and gritted my teeth. That was probably the most exciting flight I've ever had while actually sitting still on the ground.... whew.......
LS
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