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 Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:50 am Post subject: A kid.. Really?? |
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Those of you who follow VAF may recall the thread below.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47188
Yes, to our surprise and assuming things go well in the coming days, I’m going to be a dad. The shock is wearing off a bit and I’m now getting focused on an aggressive build schedule to try and get as much of the airplane completed as I possibly can before the new arrival. (BTW, does anyone have an approach plate for this arrival? I’m not quite sure what I’m supposed to be doing. J)
So my QB fuse is scheduled to arrive the week after next. At that point, we’ll be able to get started rolling through the project again.
I’m thinking between me, my dad (less than a mile away), and a couple of friends we can get rolling and get focused on making progress some serious progress.
I’m thinking of going ahead and ordering the QB wing and finishing kits. This will get them into the house and ready to go. That’ll cost me around another $30K.
The major costs from that point will include.
<![if !supportLists]>1) <![endif]>Engine/Prop Combo
<![if !supportLists]>2) <![endif]>Avionics
<![if !supportLists]>3) <![endif]>Interior Finishing
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>And paint. But who needs paint! J
This is where my assumption comes in and also my question.
First my assumption: For another $30K out of my pocket, I can knock out the majority of the “time” ahead of me. That leaves another ~$100Kish for Engine/Panel and Interior, but that shouldn’t take as much time to complete as the airframe.
Now my question: How long does it really take to:
1) Hang the engine and get it ready to fly. Then fit the cowling.
2) Install the panel – Assuming I use Stein to build it for me.
3) Complete the interior.
4) Finally am I nuts about the strategy? I know there are holes in my plan and I’m okay with you pointing them out.
Thanks,
Phil
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orchidman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: Re: A kid.. Really?? |
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Phil,
Congrats.
.002 cents worth 
Figure that you are half way there when you get the fuselage on the gear with the top on.
To shorten the 2nd half, having Stein do the panel will help a bunch but you have to do a lot of wiring yourself. Preplanning this will help. Wire your wings as they are finished. Install your trim and autopilot servos as you go. Wire the tail and fuselage center before you put it on the gear. This all takes a massive amount of preplanning.
Having the Finishing and Fire Wall forward early does help but you do have to plan ahead. Are you going with the stock oil cooler, standard throttle cables or a quad. Better to delete/change the original orders then to send back for a refund. Also are you going to go with an overhead panel. If you go with the one now from Stein, it is best installed before you do the final install of the top.
Another point to consider is that if you are doing an IFR panel, is that it is MUCH easier to completely wire the fuselage with the instrument panel installed before you rivet the top skin onto the fuselage (glare shield). Your instrument panel should be modular enough that after you are finished wiring everything in, you should be able to remove the major components to get to the back side of the rivets on the glare shield.
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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: A kid.. Really?? |
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Here is my recent approach plate for you. It's IMC for the next year, you have no idea what will lay ahead no matter how well you plan the approach. Time will fly by, you'll need to support the passengers mainly your co-pilot as she will need some rest and help. My building came to a screeching stall last year with our second daughter .
I pretty much had all the sections up to the finish kit done before her arrival. It has been slow go trying to think about what to do with (now) a new baby around. The good news is that you'll greatly appreciate the time spent building, it really is relaxing.
My words of advice, take advantage of any opportunity to build but make sure you take care of your family needs first.. believe me it will pay off later.
Enjoy the journey! Congratulations, never forget where I was when I got the call and how blessed I felt!
Pascal
From: Perry, Phil (Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com)
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:44 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: A kid.. Really??
Those of you who follow VAF may recall the thread below.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47188
Yes, to our surprise and assuming things go well in the coming days, I’m going to be a dad. The shock is wearing off a bit and I’m now getting focused on an aggressive build schedule to try and get as much of the airplane completed as I possibly can before the new arrival. (BTW, does anyone have an approach plate for this arrival? I’m not quite sure what I’m supposed to be doing. J)
So my QB fuse is scheduled to arrive the week after next. At that point, we’ll be able to get started rolling through the project again.
I’m thinking between me, my dad (less than a mile away), and a couple of friends we can get rolling and get focused on making progress some serious progress.
I’m thinking of going ahead and ordering the QB wing and finishing kits. This will get them into the house and ready to go. That’ll cost me around another $30K.
The major costs from that point will include.
1) Engine/Prop Combo
2) Avionics
3) Interior Finishing
a. And paint. But who needs paint! J
This is where my assumption comes in and also my question.
First my assumption: For another $30K out of my pocket, I can knock out the majority of the “time” ahead of me. That leaves another ~$100Kish for Engine/Panel and Interior, but that shouldn’t take as much time to complete as the airframe.
Now my question: How long does it really take to:
1) Hang the engine and get it ready to fly. Then fit the cowling.
2) Install the panel – Assuming I use Stein to build it for me.
3) Complete the interior.
4) Finally am I nuts about the strategy? I know there are holes in my plan and I’m okay with you pointing them out.
Thanks,
Phil
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jcumins(at)jcis.net
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: A kid.. Really?? |
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Phil
Congrats on being a new dad. It will be the most amazing thing in your life, and the most work. Building the RV-10 is the second best thing compared to being a dad. My son is 16 ½ and is starting to drive and being is own man and it is a major joy to see him grow up. But I very much miss the days of little league base ball and basket ball games. But yes they do grow up.
That just leaves more time for the wife and flying hehe.
Enjoy and again congrats on the new baby.
John G. Cumins
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JC'S Interactive Systems
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Fairfield Ca 94533
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:45 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: A kid.. Really??
Those of you who follow VAF may recall the thread below.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47188
Yes, to our surprise and assuming things go well in the coming days, I’m going to be a dad. The shock is wearing off a bit and I’m now getting focused on an aggressive build schedule to try and get as much of the airplane completed as I possibly can before the new arrival. (BTW, does anyone have an approach plate for this arrival? I’m not quite sure what I’m supposed to be doing. J)
So my QB fuse is scheduled to arrive the week after next. At that point, we’ll be able to get started rolling through the project again.
I’m thinking between me, my dad (less than a mile away), and a couple of friends we can get rolling and get focused on making progress some serious progress.
I’m thinking of going ahead and ordering the QB wing and finishing kits. This will get them into the house and ready to go. That’ll cost me around another $30K.
The major costs from that point will include.
<![if !supportLists]>1) <![endif]>Engine/Prop Combo
<![if !supportLists]>2) <![endif]>Avionics
<![if !supportLists]>3) <![endif]>Interior Finishing
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>And paint. But who needs paint! J
This is where my assumption comes in and also my question.
First my assumption: For another $30K out of my pocket, I can knock out the majority of the “time” ahead of me. That leaves another ~$100Kish for Engine/Panel and Interior, but that shouldn’t take as much time to complete as the airframe.
Now my question: How long does it really take to:
1) Hang the engine and get it ready to fly. Then fit the cowling.
2) Install the panel – Assuming I use Stein to build it for me.
3) Complete the interior.
4) Finally am I nuts about the strategy? I know there are holes in my plan and I’m okay with you pointing them out.
Thanks,
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bwestfall
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: A kid.. Really?? |
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Phil,
I’m slightly ahead of you in that I had your crazy ass plan in mind too 37 weeks and 5 days ago. We’re expecting our first child well… pretty damn soon! Building has slowed tremendously during her pregnancy. I shifted the energy into an addition onto our house. The building really stopped about 3 mo ago for me due to the home renovations (don’t ask if its done yet). The airplane parts all over the place didn’t fly so well with the wife. I couldn’t convince her the Horizontal could double as a changing table and crib. The motor mount could easily be setup as a basinet I thought… though she didn’t. The bright side is soon we’ll have a newborn to help buck rivets!
I think it’s too much to bite off. There is sooo much ahead of you to leech on your time that you cannot even fathom (listen to me ha my kid aint even born yet). I would say continue building at your current pace and let the dust settle where it settles. You need a ton of research time to figure out how to really build the thing. You know all those hours spent changing your mind 37 times a week. If you rush it you’ll never finish anyway (assuming you work a standard 8-5 work week) so I wouldn’t set the bar so high. Plus you’ll just stress yourself out trying to hit a lofty goal. My advice start coming to terms w/the fact that it will probably be well over 2 years till you finish (it takes time to swallow that one believe me).
-Ben Westfall
#40579 (finishing kit buried under home renovations dust)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Those of you who follow VAF may recall the thread below.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47188
Yes, to our surprise and assuming things go well in the coming days, I’m going to be a dad. The shock is wearing off a bit and I’m now getting focused on an aggressive build schedule to try and get as much of the airplane completed as I possibly can before the new arrival. (BTW, does anyone have an approach plate for this arrival? I’m not quite sure what I’m supposed to be doing. J)
So my QB fuse is scheduled to arrive the week after next. At that point, we’ll be able to get started rolling through the project again.
I’m thinking between me, my dad (less than a mile away), and a couple of friends we can get rolling and get focused on making progress some serious progress.
I’m thinking of going ahead and ordering the QB wing and finishing kits. This will get them into the house and ready to go. That’ll cost me around another $30K.
The major costs from that point will include.
<![if !supportLists]>1) <![endif]>Engine/Prop Combo
<![if !supportLists]>2) <![endif]>Avionics
<![if !supportLists]>3) <![endif]>Interior Finishing
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>And paint. But who needs paint! J
This is where my assumption comes in and also my question.
First my assumption: For another $30K out of my pocket, I can knock out the majority of the “time” ahead of me. That leaves another ~$100Kish for Engine/Panel and Interior, but that shouldn’t take as much time to complete as the airframe.
Now my question: How long does it really take to:
1) Hang the engine and get it ready to fly. Then fit the cowling.
2) Install the panel – Assuming I use Stein to build it for me.
3) Complete the interior.
4) Finally am I nuts about the strategy? I know there are holes in my plan and I’m okay with you pointing them out.
Thanks,
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rbibb
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject: A kid.. Really?? |
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Phil:
I’ve built an RV-4, am building an RV-10, and raised a child in the interim (who just turned 26, is married, and still brings all the joy I felt when she arrived in this world).
My advice FWIW:
<![if !supportLists]>1) <![endif]>Its good to set goals as far as building but don’t let them become reasons for disappointment if you don’t meet them.
<![if !supportLists]>2) <![endif]>Other things will come into play and should take priority. If you don’t approach it with the attitude that they are going to take priority you will get resentful of them and that will be a waste. The journey you are embarking on will surpass any flight you will ever make in your RV-10, bar none.
<![if !supportLists]>3) <![endif]>The RV-10 will wait patiently for you to complete her when you can find the time and the money to do it the way you want to; the rest of your life with your child will be on its own schedule that YOU have to adapt to, not the other way around.
<![if !supportLists]>4) <![endif]>Enjoy the journey and one last bit of hard learned advice:
If your wife nudges you at 3AM and wants an Cheese Cake from a certain all night deli with a certain type of nuts on top – by all means get up and go get it for her. I didn’t understand that and missed the opportunity to deliver a lasting memory for both of us that pales to the memory she delivered to me a few months later…..
Congratulations! You can do all of this – slow down and enjoy it or the stress will take away the joy from seeing two miraculous births – your child and your airplane.
Richard Bibb
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:45 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: A kid.. Really??
Those of you who follow VAF may recall the thread below.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47188
Yes, to our surprise and assuming things go well in the coming days, I’m going to be a dad. The shock is wearing off a bit and I’m now getting focused on an aggressive build schedule to try and get as much of the airplane completed as I possibly can before the new arrival. (BTW, does anyone have an approach plate for this arrival? I’m not quite sure what I’m supposed to be doing. J)
So my QB fuse is scheduled to arrive the week after next. At that point, we’ll be able to get started rolling through the project again.
I’m thinking between me, my dad (less than a mile away), and a couple of friends we can get rolling and get focused on making progress some serious progress.
I’m thinking of going ahead and ordering the QB wing and finishing kits. This will get them into the house and ready to go. That’ll cost me around another $30K.
The major costs from that point will include.
<![if !supportLists]>1) <![endif]>Engine/Prop Combo
<![if !supportLists]>2) <![endif]>Avionics
<![if !supportLists]>3) <![endif]>Interior Finishing
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>And paint. But who needs paint! J
This is where my assumption comes in and also my question.
First my assumption: For another $30K out of my pocket, I can knock out the majority of the “time” ahead of me. That leaves another ~$100Kish for Engine/Panel and Interior, but that shouldn’t take as much time to complete as the airframe.
Now my question: How long does it really take to:
1) Hang the engine and get it ready to fly. Then fit the cowling.
2) Install the panel – Assuming I use Stein to build it for me.
3) Complete the interior.
4) Finally am I nuts about the strategy? I know there are holes in my plan and I’m okay with you pointing them out.
Thanks,
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Strasnuts
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: A kid.. Really?? |
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Move to Utah, become a polygamist with multiple wives. More kids = more chores done. You can even keep your house unfinished so you don't have to pay property taxes.
Problem solved. You can thank me later.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: A kid.. Really?? |
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Phil,
Congratulations! You are about to embark on the most rewarding and challenging adventure in your life. You have no idea, but that little 7 lb bundle will be the center of your universe for quite a while. It is a journey worth doing well.
Building a RV-10 and fatherhood are not totally incompatible, but you should expect the airplane to take a serious back seat. If you want to keep them, then the family will have to come first. I started my RV-6 in 1992 when my 2 daughters were 7 and 9. Working on the 6 was my hobby and stress reliever, but the family always came first. Result: 8 years and 3 months to build.
My advice is to keep building but make it a low second priority. The kit will wait, forget about completion schedules, and just look at building as an alternative to golf or television.
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