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larywil(at)comcast.net
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 Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: Aerobatics in a 140 and the recipe for sausage |
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Boy, I was ready to quit Matt's list because of the onset of boredom.
Thanks for saving me RV6ator Bill.
So, I think DICKWEED and ASSHOLE is actually part of the recipe for
the sausage that we sometimes get at the local air show. I'm sure
Bill had too many of them at 'Kosh, and he accidently regurgitated
them in his post.
OK, back to the subject. I do NOT believe that the FAA defines an
aerobatic aircraft. They do define aerobatics ( or aerobatic
maneuvers ). They do this because there are restrictions on when and
where you may perform aerobatics.
As Mike pointed out, the FAA does make it clear that you may not
exceed the limitations stated in the manual, makings and placard. So,
if an aircraft is approved for, say +3 and -1.5 G's, and the manual,
markings, and placards do not specifically prohibit a loop, then I
suppose you may legally perform loops the aircraft ( if you are in an
FAA permitted area).
That being said, you would still be considered a moron if you tried
to loop the aforementioned aircraft. You might get away with it a few
times, but.....
Mike, would you care to comment.
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject: Aerobatics in a 140 and the recipe for sausage |
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No comment needed at this point. You pretty much said it all.
But just because it may be legal does not make it smart. I highly encourage getting training in ANY manuver of any type of aircraft that you have not done before. I C too C have lost friends doing stupid things and don't want to lose any more. But please remember C as in this discussion C there can be a difference between what is leagl and what is smart and safe.
Mike Robertson
[quote] Date: Tue C 1 Sep 2009 20:59:21 -0400
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
From: larywil(at)comcast.net
Subject: Aerobatics in a 140 and the recipe for sausage
--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net>
Boy C I was ready to quit Matt's list because of the onset of boredom.
Thanks for saving me RV6ator Bill.
So C I think DICKWEED and ASSHOLE is actually part of the recipe for
the sausage that we sometimes get at the local air show. I'm sure
Bill had too many of them at 'Kosh C and he accidently regurgitated
them in his post.
OK C back to the subject. I do NOT believe that the FAA defines an
aerobatic aircraft. They do define aerobatics ( or aerobatic
maneuvers ). They do this because there are restrictions on when and
where you may perform aerobatics.
As Mike pointed out C the FAA does make it clear that you may not
exceed the limitations stated in the manual C makings and placard. So C
if an aircraft is approved for C say +3 and -1.5 G's C and the manual C
markings C and placards do not specifically prohibit a loop C then I
suppose you may legally perform loops the aircraft ( if you are in an
FAA permitted area).
That being said C you would still be considered a moron if you tried
to loop the aforementioned aircraft. You might get away with it a few
times C but.....
Mike C would you care to comment.
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley C PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4 C N180PF
190HP IO-36=======================
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RV6ator(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: Aerobatics in a 140 and the recipe for sausage |
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hey guys, aircraft are CERTIFIED in a variety of CATEGORIES, normal, utility, aerobatic, experimental, experimental exhibition, and restricted. Most Cessna/Piper/Beech and other production aircraft are certified normal category and can be flown in the utility category at reduced gross weights, to allow for higher G-loading. An Aerobatic category aircraft has to meet certain requirments, including a quick egress system. For example Cessna built a 152 Aerobat for several years, it included larger C-172 struts, a beefier tail, and quick release doors. get the idea.
bill mahoney
In a message dated 9/2/2009 8:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrobert569(at)hotmail.com writes:
| Quote: | No comment needed at this point. You pretty much said it all.
But just because it may be legal does not make it smart. I highly encourage getting training in ANY maneuver of any type of aircraft that you have not done before. I, too, have lost friends doing stupid things and don't want to lose any more. But please remember, as in this discussion, there can be a difference between what is legal and what is smart and safe.
Mike Robertson
| Quote: | Date: Tues, 1 Sep 2009 20:59:21 -0400
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
From: larywil(at)comcast.net
Subject: Aerobatics in a 140 and the recipe for sausage
--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willing <larywil(at)comcast.net>
Boy, I was ready to quit Matt's list because of the onset of boredom.
Thanks for saving me RV6ator Bill.
So, I think DICKWEED and ASSHOLE is actually part of the recipe for
the sausage that we sometimes get at the local air show. I'm sure
Bill had too many of them at 'Kosh, and he accidentally regurgitated
them in his post.
OK, back to the subject. I do NOT believe that the FAA defines an
aerobatic aircraft. They do define aerobatics ( or aerobatic
maneuvers ). They do this because there are restrictions on when and
where you may perform aerobatics.
As Mike pointed out, the FAA does make it clear that you may not
exceed the limitations stated in the manual, makings and placard. So,
if an aircraft is approved for, say +3 and -1.5 G's, and the manual,
markings, and placards do not specifically prohibit a loop, then I
suppose you may legally perform loops the aircraft ( if you are in an
FAA permitted area).
That being said, you would still be considered a moron if you tried
to loop the aforementioned aircraft. You might get away with it a few
times, but.....
Mike, would you care to comment.
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-36=======================
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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: Aerobatics in a 140 and the recipe for sausage |
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The fact that Mr Mahoney is still posting here makes me think that the
list has finally "jumped the shark"
RV6ator(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | hey guys, aircraft are CERTIFIED in a variety of CATEGORIES, normal,
utility, aerobatic, experimental, experimental exhibition, and
restricted. Most Cessna/Piper/Beech and other production aircraft are
certified normal category and can be flown in the utility category at
reduced gross weights, to allow for higher G-loading. An Aerobatic
category aircraft has to meet certain requirments, including a quick
egress system. For example Cessna built a 152 Aerobat for several
years, it included larger C-172 struts, a beefier tail, and quick
release doors. get the idea.
bill mahoney
In a message dated 9/2/2009 8:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mrobert569(at)hotmail.com writes:
No comment needed at this point. You pretty much said it all.
But just because it may be legal does not make it smart. I highly
encourage getting training in ANY maneuver of any type of aircraft
that you have not done before. I, too, have lost friends doing
stupid things and don't want to lose any more. But please
remember, as in this discussion, there can be a difference between
what is legal and what is smart and safe.
Mike Robertson
> Date: Tues, 1 Sep 2009 20:59:21 -0400
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> From: larywil(at)comcast.net
> Subject: Aerobatics in a 140 and the recipe for sausage
>
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>
> Boy, I was ready to quit Matt's list because of the onset of
boredom.
> Thanks for saving me RV6ator Bill.
>
> So, I think DICKWEED and ASSHOLE is actually part of the recipe for
> the sausage that we sometimes get at the local air show. I'm sure
> Bill had too many of them at 'Kosh, and he accidentally
regurgitated
> them in his post.
>
> OK, back to the subject. I do NOT believe that the FAA defines an
> aerobatic aircraft. They do define aerobatics ( or aerobatic
> maneuvers ). They do this because there are restrictions on when
and
> where you may perform aerobatics.
>
> As Mike pointed out, the FAA does make it clear that you may not
> exceed the limitations stated in the manual, makings and
placard. So,
> if an aircraft is approved for, say +3 and -1.5 G's, and the
manual,
> markings, and placards do not specifically prohibit a loop, then I
> suppose you may legally perform loops the aircraft ( if you are
in an
> FAA permitted area).
>
> That being said, you would still be considered a moron if you tried
> to loop the aforementioned aircraft. You might get away with it
a few
> times, but.....
>
> Mike, would you care to comment.
>
>
>
>
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-36=======================
>
>
>
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