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GrummanDude
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 Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: Lincoln Skyways |
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Has anyone ever heard of Lincoln Skyways as a Grumman expert? [quote][b]
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GrummanDude
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:17 am Post subject: Lincoln Skyways |
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Corl,
The things they told the buyer and the seller were airworthy issues that NEEDED to be completed before it was airworthy, were largely cosmetic. Many items, such as needing to replace the Clevis pin on the bottom of the master cylinders because there was too much play in them were bullshit. You CAN'T take out the play or the pivot won't work correctly. Without removing the pin, there is no way of knowing IF it needs to be replaced. They wanted nearly $450 to replace the mechanical tach. They claimed the hoses NEEDED to be marked with torque seal to be legal. That's bullshit too. Appendix D just says to make sure the hoses are tight. If they are not leaking, they are tight. Bottom line is, they are trying to gouge the buyer and the seller. What they wrote up as airworthy and claim needs to be done to make the plane airworthy tells me they have a tendency to stretch the truth. Either that, or they don't know what A IRWORTHY means.
Example: the vernier mixture cable they claim needs to be replaced because the owner didn't send down the paperwork. OK. I'll buy that. BUT, the price to replace the cable was $450. Fletcher sells the stock one for $50.
Example: The brake lines have some corrosion on them. Most brake lines do. The problem is, Skyways told the buyer they NEED to be replaced because they MIGHT leak. OK. Fair enough. Then, let's replace the engine too because it MIGHT quit.
Example: Skyways called the nose strut a nose 'spring' and said because the rock chips had some rust in them that the nose 'spring' was unairworthy and needed to be repainted before they signed it off as airworthy.
Shall I go on?
Greg Ketell (?) had a similar problem when his plane was on lease back in Livermore. Going back through the logs I was amazed to find stuff that would never need replacement/service being repaired or replaced.
In the last 25 years of working on Grummans, I've never done unnecessary maintenance just to make a few bucks. Maybe I'll start finding a lot of cowlings with too many cracks to be airworthy.
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cwleach
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Lincoln Skyways |
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Was there a specific incident that triggered this thread? I know the folks at Lincoln Skyways fairly well and would be happy to obtain the details ....
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: Lincoln Skyways |
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John Coze has used them for quite a while for his 260 HP Grumman. He likes their work. Check with him. He is based at LHM.
Johncgrumm(at)aol.com (Johncgrumm(at)aol.com)
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GrummanDude
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:46 am Post subject: Lincoln Skyways |
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Hi Corl,
Yes, there was something that triggered this thread.
Tom Parent has a two-seater he is trying to sell. His buyer took it to Lincoln Skyways for a pre-purchase/annual. Tom had told the buyer that he would pay for any airworthy issues they found during the pre-buy. The airworthy issues came to nearly $4,000. Most, if not all, of that which they claim is an airworthy issue is either normal wear and tear or cosmetic.
They also told Tom this is probably the first 'real' annual this plane has had in many years. I did the annual last year. At that time, the airframe had almost 2100 hours on it. The engine had 216 SMOH. The plane showed normal wear and tear. LS commented that the elevator bearings were worn and needed to be replaced. I measured them (the outboard bearings) at .010 and .015. The limit is .030: they are still airworthy.
The ONLY possible airworthy item I found was the stall warning switch. It was intermittent on the ground but worked in the air. This was not mentioned in the Skyways summary.
From my perspective, LS is either 'claiming' the other items were airworthy to get the owner to pay for unnecessary repairs or simply fishing for work. Either way, it's unethical.
Gary
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