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Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard,
Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something
at least close.
Thanks
Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to
finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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I have one at the hanger....won't be out there until Sunday. I just used on
the one that came with the Slick Start Manual. You may be able to get that
on line.
Rene' Felker
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Bill,
The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is to the mags.
The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
F stands for fab, right?
Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
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Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something at least close.
Thanks
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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I really appreciate whatever you have.
All I have is the the Service Letter SL2-96. I see there is a manual
(L-1492D) but can't find it anywhere. The Sacramento Skyranch folks had
a link but it doesn't seem to work.
Thanks.
Bill Watson
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Rene Felker wrote:
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I have one at the hanger....won't be out there until Sunday. I just used on
the one that came with the Slick Start Manual. You may be able to get that
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I can't
get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is all that came
with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table that I'm having
trouble getting past. I can't figure out which one applies... and one
option (that probably doesn't apply) shows a jumper that's required on
the starter switch.
I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but sure
would like to cheat first...
Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
| Quote: | Bill,
The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It gets
power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is to the mags.
The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just a
"connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a copy on
Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump on the install,
just run a wire from the start solenoid to the SlickStart, and a
ground. The rest is pretty easy.
F stands for fab, right?
Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share?
Or something at least close.
Thanks
Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to
finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Dave Saylor is correct. Power for the slickstart comes from the cold side of
the starter relay. It only has power when the starter is cranking. All other
wiring is between slickstart terminals and the magneto including ground. I
will be at the hangar tomorrow and look for the instructions. I initially
wired mine incorrectly and it would not start.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Bill,
Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this version:
[url=http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf]b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf[/url]
I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want it to ground the other mag during start.
There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag.
Dave
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Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but sure would like to cheat first...
Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
| Quote: | Bill,
The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is to the mags.
The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
F stands for fab, right?
Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com) <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>> wrote:
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Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share?
Or something at least close.
Thanks
Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to
finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Here is what I used to wire mine. I have attached the key switch
instructions and the pages from the Slick manual. Between the two, I
figured it out. Let me know if you have any questions....I will keep the
documentation here at home this week.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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I found this which describes my configuration exactly
http://alturl.com/dgvt
The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12
of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard
breaker terminal".
Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff.
Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
| Quote: | Bill,
Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible
combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I
have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag,
and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this
version:
b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf
<http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96%28E%29.pdf>
I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point
it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want
it to ground the other mag during start.
There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same
SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that
can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding
against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag.
Dave
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I
can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is
all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table
that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which
one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows
a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but
sure would like to cheat first...
Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
Bill,
The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It
gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is
to the mags.
The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just
a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a
copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump
on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the
SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
F stands for fab, right?
Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
<mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>>
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<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
<mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>>
Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to
share?
Or something at least close.
Thanks
Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still
trying to
finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Given that retard breaker mags were originally used with Bendix "Shower
of Sparks" setups, that had a vibrator to produce the alternating
current; I'd suggest looking at the wiring diagram for that. I believe
Bob Nuckolls has a diagram or two up on his AeroElectric site.
Otherwise, I have one for a Mooney with that setup.
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
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<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
I found this which describes my configuration exactly
http://alturl.com/dgvt
The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12
of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard
breaker terminal".
Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff.
Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible
> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I
> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag,
> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this
> version:
>
> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf
> <http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96%28E%29.pdf>
> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point
> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want
> it to ground the other mag during start.
>
> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same
> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that
> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding
> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one
> mag.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
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> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
>
> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
>
> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I
> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is
> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table
> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which
> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows
> a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
>
> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but
> sure would like to cheat first...
>
> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It
> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is
> to the mags.
>
> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just
> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a
> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump
> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the
> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
>
> F stands for fab, right?
>
> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>>
> wrote:
>
>
> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>>
>
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to
> share?
> Or something at least close.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still
> trying to
> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess.........
Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting......
Pin two does nothing
Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the
starter is engaged.
Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged
GND ....ground for the unit.
When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch, the
right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the note
to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker mag
or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch.
On back of key switch.
L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag)
LR (Not used)
R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag)
S goes to start solenoid
BO (Not used)
Bat goes to battery
GND to ground
I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it
somewhere.
Rene'
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Here is a connection to the Bob N article.....
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/MagnetoSwitchOptions.pdf
Also, I attached a copy of the key switch operation. Note, that in order to
get the Right mag grounded during starting, you need to have the jumper.
Good luck.
Rene'
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:55 am Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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Rene, I think you gave me exactly the configuration I need to go with.
Thanks for the key switch function matrix - that's one I didn't have
though I have the wiring diagram and do understand how it should be
wired now.
I'm a bit amazed at the nature of the documentation surrounding the
Slick Start and Mags in general. I'm now aware of 2 distinctly
different service letters, several versions of the Slick Start unit
itself (pin 2 is labeled but gone), and for SL2-96, there's a revision E
and F that are distinctly different. Handling all these legacy setups
in the certified aircraft environment looks really challenging for the
manufacturers.
For anyone with a stock 540 from Vans, with 2 Slick mags (no electronic
ignition), and the standard key switch from Spruce, it appears you need
to add the Slick Start module to the setup (which is not included in the
FWF kit nor with the engine, nor is it doc'd anywhere I've found), and
you need to wire it as described below. At least that's the conclusion
I've come to with a lot of help from quite a few.
Thanks all,
Bill "developing a true fondness for my Lycosaur and its legacy
technologies" Watson
Rene wrote:
[quote]
OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess.........
Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting......
Pin two does nothing
Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the
starter is engaged.
Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged
GND ....ground for the unit.
When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch, the
right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the note
to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker mag
or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch.
On back of key switch.
L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag)
LR (Not used)
R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag)
S goes to start solenoid
BO (Not used)
Bat goes to battery
GND to ground
I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it
somewhere.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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You arrive at this goofy situation, because the certified aircraft the
RV-10 engine is derived from, the Comanche 250/260, AFAIK, came with
Bendix mags and Bendix vibrator, for "shower of sparks" setup. After
Lycoming became a division of Textron, it just wouldn't do to purchase
magnetos from a division of Teledyne Continental...Bendix.
So they had to switch to Unison Slick. There are enough differences,
that when Unison came out with SlickStart, they had to make a separate
Bendix version to use with Bendix mags. My understanding is the Bendix
version is no longer made. You do have the option of getting the
appropriate Bendix vibrator, instead of the Slick Start...but not a
lot cheaper. Probably more history than you wanted.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
I'm now aware of 2 distinctly different
[quote] service letters, several versions of the Slick Start unit itself (pin 2 is
labeled but gone), and for SL2-96, there's a revision E and F that are
distinctly different. Handling all these legacy setups in the certified
aircraft environment looks really challenging for the manufacturers.
For anyone with a stock 540 from Vans, with 2 Slick mags (no electronic
ignition), and the standard key switch from Spruce, it appears you need to
add the Slick Start module to the setup (which is not included in the FWF
kit nor with the engine, nor is it doc'd anywhere I've found), and you need
to wire it as described below. At least that's the conclusion I've come to
with a lot of help from quite a few.
Thanks all,
Bill "developing a true fondness for my Lycosaur and its legacy
technologies" Watson
Rene wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess.........
>
> Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting......
> Pin two does nothing
> Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the
> starter is engaged.
> Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged
> GND ....ground for the unit.
>
> When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch,
> the
> right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the
> note
> to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker
> mag
> or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch.
>
> On back of key switch.
>
> L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag)
> LR (Not used)
> R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag)
> S goes to start solenoid
> BO (Not used)
> Bat goes to battery
> GND to ground
>
> I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it
> somewhere.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
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No, the more you know, the more you understand.
do not archive
Kelly McMullen wrote:
[quote]
You arrive at this goofy situation, because the certified aircraft the
RV-10 engine is derived from, the Comanche 250/260, AFAIK, came with
Bendix mags and Bendix vibrator, for "shower of sparks" setup. After
Lycoming became a division of Textron, it just wouldn't do to purchase
magnetos from a division of Teledyne Continental...Bendix.
So they had to switch to Unison Slick. There are enough differences,
that when Unison came out with SlickStart, they had to make a separate
Bendix version to use with Bendix mags. My understanding is the Bendix
version is no longer made. You do have the option of getting the
appropriate Bendix vibrator, instead of the Slick Start...but not a
lot cheaper. Probably more history than you wanted.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
I'm now aware of 2 distinctly different
> service letters, several versions of the Slick Start unit itself (pin 2 is
> labeled but gone), and for SL2-96, there's a revision E and F that are
> distinctly different. Handling all these legacy setups in the certified
> aircraft environment looks really challenging for the manufacturers.
>
> For anyone with a stock 540 from Vans, with 2 Slick mags (no electronic
> ignition), and the standard key switch from Spruce, it appears you need to
> add the Slick Start module to the setup (which is not included in the FWF
> kit nor with the engine, nor is it doc'd anywhere I've found), and you need
> to wire it as described below. At least that's the conclusion I've come to
> with a lot of help from quite a few.
>
> Thanks all,
> Bill "developing a true fondness for my Lycosaur and its legacy
> technologies" Watson
>
> Rene wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess.........
>>
>> Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting......
>> Pin two does nothing
>> Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the
>> starter is engaged.
>> Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged
>> GND ....ground for the unit.
>>
>> When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch,
>> the
>> right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the
>> note
>> to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker
>> mag
>> or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch.
>>
>> On back of key switch.
>>
>> L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag)
>> LR (Not used)
>> R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag)
>> S goes to start solenoid
>> BO (Not used)
>> Bat goes to battery
>> GND to ground
>>
>> I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it
>> somewhere.
>>
>> Rene'
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>>
>> --
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