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MDKitfox(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: Registration problems |
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Ed,
I'm not sure I completely understand your paperwork problem. Are you dealing with a DAR who has inspected the plane and is going to provide your operating specifications? Or are you referring to the registration for the N number? Is the DAR an FAA person or a designee? I'm just trying to get a better understanding of where you are in the process.
TO answer your question, although I'm not 100% certain, this is my understanding of the rules; your aircraft will be registered as an Experimental - Amateur Built (E-AB). You can't register it as a light sport, since it has been previously registered as E-AB. However, you may operate it under the light sport aircraft rules provided it meets the criteria for LSA as you say it does (weight, engine, prop, etc.) I believe that is what you after anyway.
I just went through the process last year and that is how my paperwork was completed. I'm sure if I erred, someone on the list will let us know.
Happy flying!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Ed Gray wrote:
[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ed Gray" <egraylaw(at)swbell.net (egraylaw(at)swbell.net)>
I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
registration. My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have the
bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990. I have
told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft". The plane
meets all LSA criteria, so will it be licensed as LSA? Who here is "in the
know".
Ed Gray, Dallas, KII, 582, ready to fly with new tailwheel spring and Maule
compression springs. Do not archive
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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:15 am Post subject: Registration problems |
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Just to complete Rick's assessment here - the only reason to operate an LSA-compliant EAB aircraft is as a Sport Pilot. Sport Pilots are not allowed to fly anything other than LSA certificated aircraft or aircraft that meet LSA requirements. Are you a Sport Pilot Ed?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:38 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Registration problems
Ed,
I'm not sure I completely understand your paperwork problem. Are you dealing with a DAR who has inspected the plane and is going to provide your operating specifications? Or are you referring to the registration for the N number? Is the DAR an FAA person or a designee? I'm just trying to get a better understanding of where you are in the process.
TO answer your question, although I'm not 100% certain, this is my understanding of the rules; your aircraft will be registered as an Experimental - Amateur Built (E-AB). You can't register it as a light sport, since it has been previously registered as E-AB. However, you may operate it under the light sport aircraft rules provided it meets the criteria for LSA as you say it does (weight, engine, prop, etc.) I believe that is what you after anyway.
I just went through the process last year and that is how my paperwork was completed. I'm sure if I erred, someone on the list will let us know.
Happy flying!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Ed Gray wrote:
[quote] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ed Gray" <egraylaw(at)swbell.net (egraylaw(at)swbell.net)>
I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
registration. My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have the
bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990. I have
told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft". The plane
meets all LSA criteria, so will it be licensed as LSA? Who here is "in the
know".
Ed Gray, Dallas, KII, 582, ready to fly with new tailwheel spring and Maule
compression springs. Do not archive
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roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: Registration problems |
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The problem you stated has nothing to do with light sport. The new rule states that to REGISTER an airplane you must have a paper trail to the bill of sale from the manufacturer. Not about airworthiness certification C but registration of the plane. There is another box on the application that says "assembled from miscelanious parts". That one requires no bill of sale. You may have a problem having "checked the wrong box".
From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Registration problems
Date: Tue C 15 Sep 2009 15:10:39 -0400
Just to complete Rick's assessment here - the only reason to operate an LSA-compliant EAB aircraft is as a Sport Pilot. Sport Pilots are not allowed to fly anything other than LSA certificated aircraft or aircraft that meet LSA requirements. Are you a Sport Pilot Ed?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman C inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard
Sent: Tuesday C September 15 C 2009 2:38 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Registration problems
Ed C
I'm not sure I completely understand your paperwork problem. Are you dealing with a DAR who has inspected the plane and is going to provide your operating specifications? Or are you referring to the registration for the N number? Is the DAR an FAA person or a designee? I'm just trying to get a better understanding of where you are in the process.
TO answer your question C although I'm not 100% certain C this is my understanding of the rules; your aircraft will be registered as an Experimental - Amateur Built (E-AB). You can't register it as a light sport C since it has been previously registered as E-AB. However C you may operate it under the light sport aircraft rules provided it meets the criteria for LSA as you say it does (weight C engine C prop C etc.) I believe that is what you after anyway.
I just went through the process last year and that is how my paperwork was completed. I'm sure if I erred C someone on the list will let us know.
Happy flying!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster C 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange C FL
On Sep 15 C 2009 C at 1:56 PM C Ed Gray wrote:
I am getting some vague information from the FAA about my Kitfox
registration. My application is hung up somewhere because I didn't have the
bill of sale from Denney Aerocraft to the original owner in 1990. I have
told the FAA guy I want the plane to be "Experimental Light Sport" but the
application contained the line "not for light sport aircraft". The plane
meets all LSA criteria C so will it be licensed as LSA? Who here is "in the
know".
Ed Gray C Dallas C KII C 582 C ready to fly with new tailwheel spring and Maule
compression springs. Do not archive
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