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jwalin(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: new member, new project?

Hi,



I'm Jeff and am strongly leaning toward building a CH-640.  I just  

found this list, and was wondering if there is any activity on it?  If  

so, just let me know, as I will have a lot of questions!!



Jeff

dgeese(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:47 am Post subject: new member, new project?

Hi Jeff,



There's not a bunch of activity on this list but occasionally a discussion

gets started.  Questions are no problem.  I've just finished building a 640

from slow build kit and have inspection scheduled for the first week of

August.  Christian Tremblay

(http://zodiac640.com/Project_CH640_Introduction.htm) is scratch building

one in Canada and there are several other members on the list with flying

planes.  



Doug Geese

N640DG

Churubusco, IN

Scott Stewart

Joined: 29 Jul 2008
Posts: 30
Location: Windsor, California

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Hi Jeff,



I'm also building a CH640 from plans in California.  Where are you located?



You'll find about a half-dozen active CH640 builders/flyers on this list who would be happy to discuss any aspect of the airplane or the build process.  Hopefully you will find that the CH640 fits your mission.

_________________
Scott Stewart
CH-640 built from plans
Flying since August 2014

dgeese(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: new member, new project?

Here's some inspiration for those building or prospective builders (Jeff).

This is my ready for sign off CH640, 7 years in the making(pictures taken

this evening). Lycoming O-340, steam gages, Garmin 250XL GPS/Comm.  For you

guys flying already, any flight characteristics, speeds, etc. would be

appreciated.



Doug Geese

N640DG

Ready for inspection

Churubusco, IN

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jwalin(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: new member, new project?

I'm in Indiana.



I started at the Sonerai, then to the Wittman Buttercup, then to the  

Bearhawk, and finally the CH-640.  The more I think about what I want,  

the more I realize that I want to travel, and need something bigger  

that most 2 seaters can provide.  The Bearhawk was looking good, but  

then I ordered plans and realized how big that welded fuselage is!!  I  

like the 640 better, and think it will build easier in my garage.....



Jeff

On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Scott Stewart wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 >



 Hi Jeff,



 I'm also building a CH640 from plans in California.  Where are you  

 located?



 You'll find about a half-dozen active CH640 builders/flyers on this  

 list who would be happy to discuss any aspect of the airplane or the  

 build process.  Hopefully you will find that the CH640 fits your  

 mission.



 --------

 Scott Stewart

 s/n: 0092

 Building from plans

 Rudder and Stabilator complete.  Wings at 50%.  Fuselage at 10%.





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 52806#252806

jwalin(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: new member, new project?

I'm in Evansville, IN!



I would say not too far from you, but then I remember going to South  

Bend and to Southhaven, MI once....and it is FAR, FAR, FAR in a car.....



this is why I need my own 640!



Jeff

On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Doug Geese wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <dgeese(at)verizon.net>



 Hi Jeff,



 There's not a bunch of activity on this list but occasionally a  

 discussion

 gets started.  Questions are no problem.  I've just finished  

 building a 640

 from slow build kit and have inspection scheduled for the first week  

 of

 August.  Christian Tremblay

 (http://zodiac640.com/Project_CH640_Introduction.htm) is scratch  

 building

 one in Canada and there are several other members on the list with  

 flying

 planes.



 Doug Geese

 N640DG

 Churubusco, IN

jwalin(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: new member, new project?

I like it!!  Have you thought about paint or polish?



Jeff

On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Doug Geese wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Here's some inspiration for those building or prospective builders  

 (Jeff).

 This is my ready for sign off CH640, 7 years in the making(pictures  

 taken

 this evening). Lycoming O-340, steam gages, Garmin 250XL GPS/Comm.   

 For you

 guys flying already, any flight characteristics, speeds, etc. would be

 appreciated.



 Doug Geese

 N640DG

 Ready for inspection

 Churubusco, IN



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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:56 am Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Congratulations Doug, nicely done!

_________________
Craig Smith
CH640 builder
SN: 0078

"Just think how stupid the average person is,
and then realize that half of them are even stupider!"
--George Carlin

doug_geese(at)fwmetals.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: new member, new project?

I'm going to paint it or have it painted after Phase 1 is complete.  I painted the rudder to have a place to put the N-numbers and realized I'm not all that great with a spray gun.  I'll probably fly it to an aircraft paint shop.

dgeese(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: new member, new project?

Jeff,



Fly up and see the 640 sometime.  We're in a private airport community.

IN62, www.tropria.net

I have a neighbor who is just about ready to cover his Wittman Buttercup.

It's a Starduster Too next for me!

Scott Stewart

Joined: 29 Jul 2008
Posts: 30
Location: Windsor, California

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Congratulations, Doug! It looks great.

_________________
Scott Stewart
CH-640 built from plans
Flying since August 2014

Christian Tremblay

Joined: 22 Aug 2008
Posts: 25
Location: Montreal

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: new member, new project?

I Jeff,



You have seen that the group is active. I am building from plan, if you have

any question, and I am sure, like us, you have many, don't hesitate to

question. You will received many answers from all of us.



Welcome and enjoy building a CH640



Christian Tremblay

www.zodiac640.com



Note : An update of my website is on progress and will coming soon, 2-3

weeks.

 



--

_________________
Christian Tremblay - Montreal, Qc
A guy who build a CH640 from plan - SN0059
www.zodiac640.com

jwalin(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: new member, new project?

Thanks for the welcome, I have been to your website and hope you keep  

updating!!  It is the kind of information that I need...



Jeff

On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Christian Tremblay wrote:



[quote] 

 >



 I Jeff,



 You have seen that the group is active. I am building from plan, if  

 you have

 any question, and I am sure, like us, you have many, don't hesitate to

 question. You will received many answers from all of us.



 Welcome and enjoy building a CH640



 Christian Tremblay

 www.zodiac640.com



 Note : An update of my website is on progress and will coming soon,  

 2-3

 weeks.





 --

super58d

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Posts: 52
Location: Savannah, GA

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Doug,

 First of all, nice job. It gives me inspiration to see other guys completing their projects! I was looking at your cockpit picture and saw that you have electric trim  and flap control. What did you use, or recommend that I use to upgrade to that as well? Was it easy to switch over from the manual set-up that is included in the kit? I want to add an autopilot (just the basics, nothing crazy) and think electric control of the trim and flaps would lend itself nicely to that. I just got my wing kit and am trying to plan ahead a bit. 

Mark

s/n 094

_________________
Mark
s/n 094

My Build Site:
http://www.mykitlog.com/stephen363/

doug_geese(at)fwmetals.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: new member, new project?

The trim uses a Ray Allen Company servo to move the trim tab.  The switch and indicator are also Ray Allen.  It all came as part of my kit.  After looking at the manual trim drawings I'm sure that the electric trim is much easier to install.  The electric flaps were also part of the controls kit.  I think you would want to specify these options when you order your fuselage kit.  I can get some pictures if you would like.



Doug

super58d

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Posts: 52
Location: Savannah, GA

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Doug,

   Sorry, I was really referring to the electric trim you added. I had a brain fart and forgot that the flap control comes standard as electric with the kit. You said the trim came as electric with your kit? Mine didn't. I just wanted to get rid of the trim wheel and get electric on that as well. If you get the time, some pics would be great.   

Thanks,

Mark

_________________
Mark
s/n 094

My Build Site:
http://www.mykitlog.com/stephen363/

steveadams

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 191

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:01 am Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Wow. Nice to see a small flurry of activity on this list. 

Doug - Congratulations and nice job on your plane. It looks great. You will love how it flies. As far as speeds, here are a few ballpark numbers and tips for you first flight. Obviously, these numbers are in my plane, so until you verify your ASI accuracy etc, please don't take them as hard numbers for your airplane. Flying solo it accelerates quickly on the runway. Until you find the best setting for you, set the elevator trim in a neutral position initially. This will require some back pressure on the yoke to get the nose wheel off the ground at about 55 kts, it will then fly itself  off shortly after. Vx is 65 kts and Vy is 74 kts in my plane. Stall clean is 48 KIAS and with flaps is 42 KIAS. For landing, I pull power back to 1500 abeam the numbers, put in 10 of flaps, slow to 80 KTS on base with 20-30 of flaps, 70 kts on final and 65 kts over the fence with full flaps. If you have the runway length available, you can probably come in a bit faster until you are comfortable with it's slow flight handling characteristics. It can be tough to keep the nosewheel up after the mains touch, but this is usually because you land a bit fast. There are really no quirky flight characteristics. Have fun and be careful.



Jeff - welcome. I think you made a great choice in building the 640. 



I have the manual elevator trim, which I like. The trim wheel mechanism seems a bit complicated, but is really not that difficult to assemble, and has worked flawlessly so far (700 hrs).



Have fun building and flying.



Steve

621J

super58d

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Posts: 52
Location: Savannah, GA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Hey Steve,

  Thanks for all the numbers. It gives me something to compare to flying Cessna's (which is the only fixed wing experience I have). I do have about 3000 hours in helicopters, but I learned quickly when getting my fixed wing license that a good airplane wants to fly. ALL helicopters want to kill you!! Anyway, you said you have the manual trim. Any wishes that you had electric trim? I'm a gadget guy and big time avionics geek. I'm trying to decide if electric trim will really make things easier/ better in the long run, or if I'm just wanting it because I think It's cool. 



Thanks

Mark

_________________
Mark
s/n 094

My Build Site:
http://www.mykitlog.com/stephen363/

steveadams

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 191

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:39 am Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Personally, I like the manual trim. I actually have the servo for the electric trim because they actually sent my kit with the trim bellcrank set up for electric trim with the servo installed. I took it off and went with the manual trim and have no regrets. I'm sure either way works fine so go with whatever you are comfortable with.

FlyGuyTililDie

Joined: 22 Jan 2009
Posts: 26
Location: Germany/Italy

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: Re: new member, new project?

Doug, great job.  It makes me so happy to start seeing some more 640s come to life.  It seems like forever that we've only had the same 3 airframes in the US.  (Zenith's N640Z, Jeff Paden's, and Steve Adams')



If you need any help coming up with a paint scheme let me know.  I enjoy helping people out for free.



James

s/n 086

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