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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:33 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.

TDT



Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:43 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

My plane has a Sony AM/FM/CD/MP3 player in it that sucks juice all the time.

I use a BatteryHawk that SafeAir1 sells to keep my PC680 charged almost all of the time. I haven't tried going a week without it yet......It's a smart trickle charger that I built in during construction.....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I am using a 925, and have a trickle charger. I only use it when I am leaving the master switch on (without the engine running J) for an extended period of time.

I have not had a problem starting even on very cold days.

Rene' Felker
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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.

TDT

Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I’m using the BatteryMinder 12248 for my Odyssey batteries. There was a write-up in one of the mags a few months back comparing different chargers and this one looked to be the best. It will charge any style lead acid battery and also desulphates. They will say on their site that you should get their “special” charger for Odyssey batteries but it only has a single profile in it for Odyssey AGM batteries.

I spent a bunch of time looking at the information on the “special” charger vs. the 12248 which will charge flooded, AGM, and gel batteries and could not find a difference in the Odyssey vs. the AGM profiles that made it worthwhile.  I also run the Odyssey in my motorcycle and ATV but I wanted the options and I have been very happy with it.

Michael

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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.

TDT

Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I was just thinking about that yesterday and came across this. 
 
"Unlike conventional batteries that need to be recharged every six to twelve weeks, the Odyssey battery will maintain up to 50% state of charge after 2 yrs if stored at room temperature (77ºF). At temperatures lower than 77°F, storage times will be even longer"
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/odysseydry.php
 
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Please share your thoughts.

TDT


 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time .....
exception is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
Linn

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charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting
to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.



Please share your thoughts.


TDT



Tim Dawson-Townsend

Aurora Flight Sciences

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

no trickle charger but I use 1 or 2 680s in parallel for starting. 2 680s turn prop rapidly.

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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.

TDT



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Aurora Flight Sciences
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

Been using battery tender on both of my PC 680's constantly as recommended in light plane maintenance magazine.

Their research convinced me to keep mine plugged up when not flying.
grumpy
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Please share your thoughts.

TDT

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Aurora Flight Sciences
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation" phase of my RV-10 Wink....
 
It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge?  Or is there some kind of current leak?
 
I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it and it always cranks up just fine.
 
Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have already learned so much.
 
Thanks,
Ande Boyer
Huntsville, AL


 
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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy?  I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.
 
Please share your thoughts.

TDT


 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I'm still in the shop but my GRTs have an "always on" circuit I guess
for the clock. So I plan to generally stay on trickle.

I installed an internal jack in the baggage compartment for this purpose.

Bill "building the engine sensing birds nest" Watson
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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
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charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not
expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.
TDT

Tim Dawson-Townsend

Aurora Flight Sciences

tdt(at)aurora.aero <mailto:tdt(at)aurora.aero>

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

In my case it is not a battery leak per se....rather something that is always on......

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

You better quit investigating ..... it'll cost ya!!! <GR>

The reasons for using trickle chargers varies amongst the users. For me,
I don't mount the charger in the airplane .... I like the mobility of
using them elsewhere. For me, the reason I use the trickle charger on
all my flooded/gel batteries is to prolong their use. The desulfator
option is important, and you should pay the price.

The RV-10 is no different .... battery wise .... than any vehicle that
doesn't get daily/weekly use ....... leaving the trickle charger off
will shorten it's useful life. IMHO, of course.
Linn

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Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation"
phase of my RV-10 Wink....

It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment.
Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge?
Or is there some kind of current leak?

I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it
and it always cranks up just fine.

Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have
already learned so much.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I only put a charge on when I'm working on avionics or something without the engine running. Every once in a while, if the plane has been sitting for a while, I'll throw a charger on it just to make sure it is up to cranking. Never had a problem. I use the Concord standard battery that Van's makes the tray for.

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On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ande Boyer wrote:
[quote]Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation" phase of my RV-10 Wink....

It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?

I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it and it always cranks up just fine.

Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have already learned so much.

Thanks,
Ande Boyer
Huntsville, AL



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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.

TDT



Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)
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617-905-4800 (mobile)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

Ande,

No current or voltage demands. The Rv is no different than any other aircraft except most don't meet the requirments of a certified aircraft, they exceed them!. The reason most of us have chargers is the time we spent setting up the avionics, doing systems checks, learning the new equipment etc etc,,,,in other words lots of battery time doing that. Plus most of us tend to be tool hogs so it's another good excuse to blow 50 bucks on antoehr piece of equipment.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

Hi Ande,

The care and feeding of batteries (especially as panels are less likely to have vacuum pump instruments) is an important part of safe flying. An RV-10, with a long distance from the battery to the starter, requires a well charged battery to start. Most of us aren't able to fly consistently, so a trickle charger is appealing. However, all trickle chargers are not created equally, and one that over charges will damage the battery.
If you are not a member of the Aeroelectric list (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)) moderated by Bob Nuckolls, I suggest you become one. There is a mountain of discussion of this issue in the archives over there and the knowledge you'll gain is well worth the time spent.
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On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Ande Boyer wrote:
[quote]Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation" phase of my RV-10 Wink....

It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?

I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it and it always cranks up just fine.

Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have already learned so much.

Thanks,
Ande Boyer
Huntsville, AL



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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.

TDT



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Aurora Flight Sciences
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617-905-4800 (mobile)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

Nope, just standard equipment in my shop.  Using it regularly can just be chocked up to preventative maint.  A fully charged battery will outlive one that is allowed to sit at a reduced capacity every time.

Michael

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Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation" phase of my RV-10 Wink....



It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?



I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it and it always cranks up just fine.



Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have already learned so much.



Thanks,

Ande Boyer

Huntsville, AL





On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero (tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero)> wrote:
What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.

Please share your thoughts.

TDT

Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
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617-905-4800 (mobile)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:24 pm    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I watched the discussion on AeroElectric and read lots of things
at other places about charging my Odyssey PC925, and spent a bunch
of time reading before I bought a charger. Michael's right, that
12248 would eb a great way to go, and it's supposely got a great
voltage curve for charging the Odyssey.

What I did for myself though was a little different. I got
a larger charger, that costs a bit more. I had been looking for
Odyssey specific chargers, and wanted to make sure I did the best
I could to charge at the right voltage. There is an Odyssey
labeled charger that looks exactly like the Schumacher
Speed Charge 1200A, which WalMart also sells. The difference I
think is that the Odyssey doesn't have the variety of
charging profiles. I got one off Ebay really really cheap,
and got one at WalMart too, so now I use them at home and
at the hangar.

Here is a link:

http://store.schumachermart.com/sc-1200a.html

A few weeks ago I got fired up to verify that this was really
the same, so I sent Schumacher an email asking if they had
the same charge curve, and they said they were the same.
I'm assuming I'd use AGM mode, so that's what I've been
using. It's more expensive of a charger than you have
to have, but it can charge other batteries too.

I plug mine in sometimes if I have a big trip coming up,
and want to ensure I've got a perfect charge, and I
charge it during the winter when I don't fly as often.
In the summer though, I generally don't charge it.
I suppose I connect the charger maybe 10 times a year.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
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I’m using the BatteryMinder 12248 for my Odyssey batteries. There was
a write-up in one of the mags a few months back comparing different
chargers and this one looked to be the best. It will charge any style
lead acid battery and also desulphates. They will say on their site
that you should get their “special” charger for Odyssey batteries but it
only has a single profile in it for Odyssey AGM batteries.



I spent a bunch of time looking at the information on the “special”
charger vs. the 12248 which will charge flooded, AGM, and gel batteries
and could not find a difference in the Odyssey vs. the AGM profiles that
made it worthwhile. I also run the Odyssey in my motorcycle and ATV but
I wanted the options and I have been very happy with it.



Michael



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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle
charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting
to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.



Please share your thoughts.


TDT



Tim Dawson-Townsend

Aurora Flight Sciences

tdt(at)aurora.aero <mailto:tdt(at)aurora.aero>

617-500-4812 (office)

617-905-4800 (mobile)



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

I have posted previously on poor cranking performance. I have had an issue with slow cranking ever since first start. My battery failed completely two weeks ago. I firmly believe my original (Concorde) battery was stuffed from the start and never really held a full charge - would not buy another. Have not been able to get a PC925 locally yet, so used a Dekka sealed gel cell as a temp measure. Same size as the Concorde with 380CCA. Could not believe how quickly the prop spun with a decent battery.

When finalising my avionics integration, I used a 20Amp 13.2VDC power supply in parallel with the battery to prevent constant discharge. I need to do some more research, but it would not surprise me if this contributed to the failure of the battery by overcharging it.

BTW, is it possible to fit two 680s in the standard tray without modification?

Cheers
Ron

VH-XRM, flying in Oz

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a "Battery Minder". Look it up online. Cost around $50. Not only trickle charges, but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from forming. The friends 210 has not replaced his battery in over 10 years... whereas before they seemed to last 3 or 4 years. I use them on cars stored, motorcycles, boats, and my plane.
Don McDonald
Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!

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I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time ..... exception is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
Linn

Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Odyssey PC680s (who isn’t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging all the time when you’re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it’s winter, etc.


Please share your thoughts.


TDT


Tim Dawson-Townsend

Aurora Flight Sciences

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero) <mailto:tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)>

617-500-4812 (office)

617-905-4800 (mobile)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Chargers Reply with quote

No to the 680s without mod; too wide; also probably need additional master
contactor to use either or both batteries.

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