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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: Parts that dont fit.

Hello Larry,

 I am a user   of the Homebuilthelp  DVD's (while building my 601 XL)

 There are two very important points I want to comment and advise.

 1.- The DVD instruction videos from Jon, HomebuiltHelp (HBH)  are Excelent, they are worth more that we pay for them!  Just by the time saved doing the job the first time correctly.    Jon has lots of experience building ZAC Airplanes and with his camera.   BUT  He is NOT and employee of Zenith Aircraft Co.  So the HBH DVD's are not included with the parts and kits sent by ZAC.   

 My Advice to all Invest in the Videos you will not regret it.

 2.- ZAC has their construction manuals. (photos and insttructions). 

 The ZAC manual is also of great help, I used it on my first two 701's  we built here,  BUT the plans Should always the Number ONE instructions to follow  (same goes for the HMH DVD's).   

 Another wonderfull help in building, is all this (free) Matronics Zentih Lists and all the great people here (well maybe 99% of us .

 Saludos

 Gary Gower

 Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

 701 912S 264 hrs

 601 XL  Jab 3300  building

 Next proyect:  650?   750?

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Larry Hursh <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	

From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Parts that dont fit

To: zenith650-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:07 AM

 --> Zenith650-List message posted by: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com (skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com)>

To all,

I've called and talked to Roger D at Zenith in Mexico Missouri about my new style Todd's canopy.  I told him trying to use the old instructional information is nothing close to the parts I was looking at.  I am deathly afraid to cut my canopy in half without SOME type of correct information as to how to do it.  He could see my point.  He told me that a DVD was available on www.homebuilthelp.com that shows how to convert an existing 601XL to the new style canopy.  I told him I see how it is if that was the "solution" to my problem - In other words, I buy the kit from them but I also have to buy the instructions from someone else???  Again, he could see my point after I explained it to  him.  He promised he was going to send a DVD to me....you might want to call Zenith as I did.

YES, there IS quite a few problems concerning a lack of forthcoming information on the new CH650....and YES, I also had a lot of pre-punched holes that was totally useless to me.  I suggested to Roger or Caleb (I can't remember which) that if they can't get the holes in the correct place to NOT put any holes at all in the side skins.  He DID offer to send me a new set of side skins.  I thanked him for the offer but I was so far along with it at that point, I wasn't going to go through it again.  So if you are having issues with things not lining up correctly, you are NOT alone.

Hope this helped.

Larry Hursh

Edwardsburg, Michigan

Zenith CH650 - N650LM Reserved     

2700cc Corvair Powered  

Crankshaft already ground .010 - .010  Balanced and nitrited at Moldex      

I hope to someday be that person my dog thinks I am....

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Belcher <z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com (z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Jim Belcher <z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com (z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com)>

 Subject: Re: Zenith650-List: Re: Parts that dont fit

 To: zenith650-list(at)matronics.com (zenith650-list(at)matronics.com)

 Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:32 AM

 --> Zenith650-List message posted

 by: Jim Belcher <z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com (z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com)>

 On Monday 05 October 2009 07:37, alsmith wrote:

 > --> Zenith650-List message posted by: "alsmith"

 <alan.smith(at)nutreco.com (alan.smith(at)nutreco.com)>

 >

 > We are also building a 650. We had to add a 1/8" Shim

 to the bottom front

 > of the Center spar to move it 5 degrees. The side

 skins were also

 > incorrect. The seat and arm rest and the rear spare

 supports were also 

 > bent incorrectly.  Zenith will send new parts, I

 suggest that you get

 > undrilled side skins to insure the alignment and fit

 is correct. We have

 > also informed Zenith that not having any Builders

 instructions for the 650

 > is making it  much more challenging a project. To our

 knowledge there are

 > zero available for the 650 modifications. We have been

 informed that they

 > are making these a priority to publish.

 There are SOME things available, because they sent me 650

 wing tips for the 

 601. when I asked for documentation, I was sent the wingtip

 drawings for the 

 650. It sounds as though things may not all that well

 coordinated.

 -- 

 ====================

                 Do

 not archive.

 ====================

                 Jim

 B Belcher

     BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science

   A&P/IA

       Retired aerospace technical

 manager

      Mathematics and alcohol do not

 mix.

          Do not drink and

 derive.

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Location: Edwardsburg, MI (near Elkhart, IN)

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: Parts that dont fit.

Thanks Gary for your comments.  I wasn't implying I wouldn't buy anything from Jon.  For me, it was just the idea that Zenith would provide all the new style parts for the 650 but we are supposed to use the 601XL's assembly guide.  I've never installed a canopy before so I was at a TOTAL LOSS as to even how to approach it.  I know the canopy material is extremely fragile, especially when it's cold.  I just didn't feel I knew enough about the installation so that's why I placed the call to Zenith.  

I felt it was Zenith's responsibility to me to prove me with either the instructional guide OR the DVD.  Do you think if I was to accidentally break my canopy for lack of knowledge how to handle it, do you think Zenith would be willing to provide another to me at no cost?  I don't think so.  The LEAST they can do is to provide me with the instructions OR the DVD if that is all that's available right now.  I think it's the least they can to do to help the Customer out. If I had a 601 and I was wanting to upgrade to the 650 canopy, I would EXPECT to pay for the DVD.  That's a different story.   I'm sure it's well worth the money spent.



Larry 

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com>

 Subject: Re: Re: Parts that dont fit.

 To: zenith650-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 3:06 PM

 Hello Larry,

  

 I am a user   of the Homebuilthelp 

 DVD's (while building my 601 XL)

  

 There are two very important points I want to comment

 and advise.

  

 1.- The DVD instruction videos from Jon, HomebuiltHelp

 (HBH)  are Excelent, they are worth more that we

 pay for them!  Just by the time saved

 doing the job the first time correctly.  

  Jon has lots of experience building ZAC Airplanes and

 with his camera.   BUT  He is NOT and

 employee of Zenith Aircraft Co.  So the HBH

 DVD's are not included with the parts

 and kits sent by ZAC.   

 My Advice to all Invest in the Videos you will not

 regret it.

  

 2.- ZAC has their construction manuals. (photos and

 insttructions). 

 The ZAC manual is also of great help, I used it

 on my first two 701's  we built here,

  BUT the plans Should always the Number ONE

 instructions to follow  (same goes for the HMH

 DVD's).   

  

 Another wonderfull help in building, is all this

 (free) Matronics Zentih Lists and all the great people here

 (well maybe 99% of us .

  

 Saludos

 Gary Gower

 Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

 701 912S 264 hrs

 601 XL  Jab 3300  building

 Next proyect:  650?   750?

  

  

  

  

  

 

 

 --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Larry Hursh

 <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 From: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com>

 Subject: Re: Re: Parts that dont fit

 To: zenith650-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:07 AM

 

 

 --> Zenith650-List message posted

 by: Larry Hursh <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com>

 

 To all,

 

 I've called and talked to Roger D at Zenith in Mexico

 Missouri about my new style Todd's canopy.  I told

 him trying to use the old instructional information is

 nothing close to the parts I was looking at.  I am

 deathly afraid to cut my canopy in half without SOME type of

 correct information as to how to do it.  He could see

 my point.  He told me that a DVD was available on

 www.homebuilthelp.com that shows how to convert an existing

 601XL to the new style canopy.  I told him I see how it

 is if that was the "solution" to my problem - In

 other words, I buy the kit from them but I also have to buy

 the instructions from someone else???  Again, he could

 see my point after I explained it to

  him.  He promised he was going to send a DVD to

 me....you might want to call Zenith as I did.

 

 YES, there IS quite a few problems concerning a lack of

 forthcoming information on the new CH650....and YES, I also

 had a lot of pre-punched holes that was totally useless to

 me.  I suggested to Roger or Caleb (I can't

 remember which) that if they can't get the holes in the

 correct place to NOT put any holes at all in the side

 skins.  He DID offer to send me a new set of side

 skins.  I thanked him for the offer but I was so far

 along with it at that point, I wasn't going to go

 through it again.  So if you are having issues with

 things not lining up correctly, you are NOT alone.

 

 Hope this helped.

 

 

 Larry Hursh

 Edwardsburg, Michigan

 

 Zenith CH650 - N650LM Reserved     

 

 2700cc Corvair Powered  

 Crankshaft already ground .010 - .010  Balanced and

 nitrited at Moldex 

     

 

 I hope to someday be that person my dog thinks I am.....

 

 

 --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Belcher <z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com>

 wrote:

 

 > From: Jim Belcher <z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com>

 > Subject: Re: Re: Parts that dont fit

 > To: zenith650-list(at)matronics.com

 > Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:32 AM

 > --> Zenith650-List message posted

 > by: Jim Belcher <z601a(at)anemicaardvark.com>

 > 

 > On Monday 05 October 2009 07:37, alsmith wrote:

 > > 

 "alsmith"

 > <alan.smith(at)nutreco.com>

 > >

 > > We are also building a 650. We had to add a

 1/8" Shim

 > to the bottom front

 > > of the Center spar to move it 5 degrees. The

 side

 > skins were also

 > > incorrect. The seat and arm rest and the rear

 spare

 > supports were also 

 > > bent incorrectly.  Zenith will send new

 parts, I

 > suggest that you get

 > > undrilled side skins to insure the alignment and

 fit

 > is correct. We have

 > > also informed Zenith that not having any

 Builders

 > instructions for the 650

 > > is making it

  much more challenging a project. To our

 > knowledge there are

 > > zero available for the 650 modifications. We have

 been

 > informed that they

 > > are making these a priority to publish.

 > 

 > There are SOME things available, because they sent me

 650

 > wing tips for the 

 > 601. when I asked for documentation, I was sent the

 wingtip

 > drawings for the 

 > 650. It sounds as though things may not all that well

 > coordinated.

 > -- 

 > ====================

 >              

   Do

 > not archive.

 > ====================

 >              

   Jim

 > B Belcher

 >     BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science

 >              

  

 >   A&P/IA

 >  

     Retired aerospace technical

 > manager

 > 

 >      Mathematics and alcohol do

 not

 > mix.

 >          Do not drink

 and

 > derive.

 > =============================================

 > 

 > Email Forum -

 > FAQ,

 >    - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -

 > List Contribution Web Site -

 >              

 -Matt

 > Dralle, List Admin.

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 

 

       

 

  http://www.matronics.cop;        

           -Matt

 Draronics.com/contribution"

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