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powerglider

Joined: 20 Oct 2009
Posts: 11

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

My girlfriend just bought a Kolb Mark 3, she has some previous cesna experience but needs instruction on her new plane as it's been a while (late 1980's).



Any instructors out there with Kolb 2 seat experience that don't have a plane that want to teach her on her plane?



Located in Mediapolis, Iowa, 52637, close to Burlington.



Her other choice so far is to take lessons on a cesna again.



We can bring the plane to your favorite runway (hope it's not too far) and take lessons from there. Or if you inspect our own field and it's appropriate you would be welcome to teach here.

Jason Omelchuck

Joined: 07 May 2009
Posts: 120
Location: Portland Oregon

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

I got my Sport Pilots license in a J3 and I feel this was a great airplane to  transition to a MKIII from.  If your girlfriend can find some kind of light tail dragger and learn to wheel land it, I believe her airplane will have a much better chance of surviving her first few hours unscathed.



My $.02 worth



Jason 

MKIII, Yamaha Powered

Portland, OR

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

> I got my Sport Pilots license in a J3 and I feel this was a great 

airplane to  transition to a MKIII from.  If your girlfriend can find some 

kind of light tail dragger and learn to wheel land it, I believe her 

airplane will have a much better chance of surviving her first few hours 

unscathed.

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 My $.02 worth



 Jason


	




Jason/Gang:



I try to get a few inches off the ground before I let the airspeed get below 

stall speed when landing.



If I get below stall speed at altitudes more than a few inches, it will 

stall and fall, whether one foot or 10 feet.  My mkIII won't survive a stall 

from 20 feet, for sure.



Worth what you paid for it.



john h

mkIII

Marysvale, Utah

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Jason Omelchuck

Joined: 07 May 2009
Posts: 120
Location: Portland Oregon

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

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Jason/Gang:



I try to get a few inches off the ground before I let the airspeed get below 

stall speed when landing.



If I get below stall speed at altitudes more than a few inches, it will 

stall and fall, whether one foot or 10 feet.  My mkIII won't survive a stall 

from 20 feet, for sure.



Worth what you paid for it.



john h

mkIII

Marysvale, Utah[/quote][/quote]



Powerglider,

I dont believe what John said should be substituted for training, or will help you find training for your girlfriends transition to her MKIII, but it couldent hurt to suggest to her not to stall her MKIII 20 feet above the runway.



Jason

MKIII, Yamaha Powered

Portland, OR

powerglider

Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

thank you for the replies.



My girlfriend found an instructor not too far away in Muscatine Iowa. He flies another tail dragger and will be getting familiar with her Kolb, then provide the instruction on her Kolb as long as he feels comfortable with that first which makes sense.

powerglider

Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

I'm thinking about the runways we need to start preparing for.



I'm hoping 2 runways, 1 north/south, 1 east/west both 500 feet long and 60 feet wide would be enough for a reasonable safety margin, is it?



No obstructions, 1 year corn stalks, 1 year soy beans around the runways, overrun would be the corn of the beans (nothing else to hit).



since the width is narrow, how can a pilot best keep the plane in the middle with a visual marker of some kind? a tall pole in the center at the end of the runway wouldn't work because it's an extra obstacle to clear, how to you mark the grass with a center line that is effective but environmentally friendly and offers excellent visibility?

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

Why put so many things in the first lessons. Find a nice long runway and take that part out of the equation until she's familiar and comfortable in the plane, then tackle short grass fields and visualization skills. I fly all over Kansas and I've never seen a grass strip with any sort of marking, other than lights along the edge and that's rare. MHO. 



Rick Girard

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:07 AM, powerglider <francesco(at)powerglider.biz (francesco(at)powerglider.biz)> wrote:

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I'm thinking about the runways we need to start preparing for.

 

 I'm hoping 2 runways, 1 north/south, 1 east/west both 500 feet long and 60 feet wide would be enough for a reasonable safety margin, is it?

 

 No obstructions, 1 year corn stalks, 1 year soy beans around the runways, overrun would be the corn of the beans (nothing else to hit).

 

 since the width is narrow, how can a pilot best keep the plane in the middle with a visual marker of some kind? a tall pole in the center at the end of the runway wouldn't work because it's an extra obstacle to clear, how to you mark the grass with a center line that is effective but environmentally friendly and offers excellent visibility?

  

 

 

 

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powerglider

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

OK, didn't explain right the first time.



She's taking lessons on another field and probably will fly out of a longer field in 2010 as well. I agree 100%, go for a nice long field for at least 1 season, then as many more as it takes to feel comfortable.



I'm starting the field now since I thought it would take at least 1 full season and probably 2 to make the runways flat enough and the grass at least reasonable. Right now it's left over soy bean field. Next year it will be corn so I would rather begin the runways this year since it's starting fairly flat to begin with.



Just wondering if 500 feet will be enough after 1 season of flying? 600 feet by 60 feet is 1 acre, just trying to not take away any acreage from a good producing black Iowa soil, but safety will be more important than an extra acre or two of corn, Iowa won't miss 120 bushels or so of corn too much.

JetPilot

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

PowerGlider,



One thing to watch out for when flying the Kolb is that is looses speed MUCH faster than any other plane you have ever flown when you pull the power.  Most people that have GA experience start to pull the power at 50 feet or so, and expect the plane to keep flying.  If you do this on approach, you will not believe how fast you will stall and crash.  The Kolb is pretty easy to fly, but this is the one mistake every new pilot to this type of plane makes.   Also, power off glide is very bad, be prepared to point the nose WAY down when you do pull the power off, its nothing like just lowering the nose in a Cessna or piper.  Take the time to get training in your Kolb , if you wreck your plane due to lack of training, you wont be flying anyways, so just wait for the training.



500 feet is not long enough to safely fly a Kolb out of on a REGULAR basis...   500 feet can be done under perfect conditions when you are at the top of your game, but you will not be able to do this every time.  If you base your Kolb at the airport you describe, you will end up in the corn sooner or later, guaranteed.  If it happens on takeoff, it will be really bad...   I would make a single runway 1000 feet long, that is doable once you have experience IF there are no obstructions at each end if you have a Rotax 912-S.   If its a 582, I do not think 1000 feet will be enough to operate out of.



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powerglider

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

jetpilot,



I will have her read all this.



I'm not the one flying the Kolb, don't plan on it, I enjoy flying my paramotors and it's enough flying for me. I might join her as a passenger when she is trained, confident and ready, but I'm not in a hurry to take the passenger seat, I fly all the time in my paramotors and it gives me plenty of satisfaction.



Wow, 1000 feet! OK, I think we have that.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:18 am Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

I'm thinking about the runways we need to start preparing for.>>



Runways?  I don`t know anyone who operates from a runway. Ithought grass 

strips was what our flying was all about. A big field so that you can  land 

and take off in any direction is a lot more useful and even that is not 

strictly necessary



Pat

John Hauck

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

> Just wondering if 500 feet will be enough after 1 season of flying? 600 

feet by 60 feet is 1 acre, just trying to not take away any acreage from a 

good producing black Iowa soil, but safety will be more important than an 

extra acre or two of corn, Iowa won't miss 120 bushels or so of corn too 

much.

I have been flying off 750 feet in a cow pasture for 25 years.  Even that 

looks short after flying out of 3 and 4 thousand foot strips for a while. 

60 feet is wide enough for me.  The mkIII is 30 feet wide.  Gives 15 feet on 

each side.



I don't know how well your girl friend will fly.  She may need a wider and 

longer strip.



Do you have a name?



john h

mkIII

Marysvale, UT

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

1200' is plenty, especially if there are holes at the ends.

The sumac on this end is tall enough to keep me steep so's not to scare the folks on I-90

BB MkIII, 28' wings

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powerglider

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

Sorry about that, yes my name is Francesco De Santis. My girlfriend's name is Dawn Shaffer. 



I'm new to the area as we moved here from Florida where I haven't seen snow in 15 years, well saw some 2 saturday's ago!



I was just thinking it would be easier to make a new "grass strip" that is larger/longer and perhaps take some off if it's too much than to try and make one too small and then make it larger/longer.



 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  > Just wondering if 500 feet will be enough after 1 season of flying? 600 

feet by 60 feet is 1 acre, just trying to not take away any acreage from a 

good producing black Iowa soil, but safety will be more important than an 

extra acre or two of corn, Iowa won't miss 120 bushels or so of corn too 

much.

I have been flying off 750 feet in a cow pasture for 25 years.  Even that 

looks short after flying out of 3 and 4 thousand foot strips for a while. 

60 feet is wide enough for me.  The mkIII is 30 feet wide.  Gives 15 feet on 

each side.



I don't know how well your girl friend will fly.  She may need a wider and 

longer strip.



Do you have a name?



john h

mkIII

Marysvale, UT

elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

I have a 582 on mK3c and I fly out of a 900 ft and never use even half of it on take off or landing when I am alone  but I use 2/3 of it when taking a pasanger and I also been flying kolbs a while 

   I have flown a Mk3X with a 912UL 80 Hp and that would also work on this 900 ft strip but it uses more runway than My Plane on Both Take off & Landing 

   dont do as I say do what works for you,Be safe  if your new at this get all the room you can untill that plane fits you like a Glove

    

   Fly on 

   Ellery in Maine 

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa?

if you dont take a good safety margin out of the crop she could become fertilizer and I dont think anyone wants that to happen 

    

   Ellery

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