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albertakolbmk3

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Location: Innisfail, AB

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

Hi again,



Anyone have some good ideas for a cheap hangar just to keep snow and the likes off of the kolb?

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rickofudall

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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

Do they have those cheap steel carports in Canada? They're pretty thin corrugated so I don't know how they'd do for snow loads, I don know that they stand up to 70 mph winds. Not bad for a structure that's nailed to the ground. If you folded the wings for the winter you could get by with a single car size and extend the length for just a bit more money. There was an article in EAA's Light Sport Magazine about a fellow who made a footing to extend the height and used it for his trike. I had a buddy who bought one of the silver tarp portable carports and it was rotten inside of two years.

Rick



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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

Fred Kerfoot

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:47 am Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

 If you don't mind folding the wings C you can get a used 40' Sea/Land container. They are strong C very secure C excellent protection from the weather (anything short of tornado) lots of extra storage (40') and relatively inexpensive.  In Florida you can find a good used weather-tight container for less than $2000 US.  If you don't want to fold the wings you might want to consider a pole shed.

  http://www.ehow.com/how_4697457_build-pole-shed.html

 

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Cheap hanger ideas

albertakolbmk3,



I respectfully request that you edit your signature, which includes lots of information about your airplane, to include your name.

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

Fredrick Kerfoot wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

  If you don't mind folding the wings, you can get a used 40' Sea/Land 

 container. They are strong, very secure, excellent protection from the 

 weather (anything short of tornado) lots of extra storage (40') and 

 relatively inexpensive.  In Florida you can find a good used 

 weather-tight container for less than $2000 US.  If you don't want to 

 fold the wings you might want to consider a pole shed.

  

 http://www.ehow.com/how_4697457_build-pole-shed.html 

 <http://www.ehow.com/how_4697457_build-pole-shed.html>

  

              FredK


	


I'd 2nd that idea, with a minor mod to the technique. If you design with 

a 'single pitch' roof, you can do it with 4x4 or 6x6 posts and steel 

purlins, used to build metal buildings. The purlins can be purchased to 

span amazing distances. Set 2 rows of posts at whatever width you need 

for the plane, with the post spacing determined by spacing requirements 

of the purlins you buy (typically around 4-5 feet). Make the 2 posts at 

the entry end the tallest, and the posts at the back the shortest; your 

choice of pitch. Pull a line along the posts at the chosen pitch angle, 

mark the tops at that angle & cut the tops. Using 'Z' channel purlins 

allows you to sit the purlin on the cut top of the post at the correct 

angle. Cut wood wedges to fill the gaps between the purlin's 'web' and 

the post, or just trim the high side of the posts at the right angle if 

you're using 6x6 posts. Lay metal roofing on the purlins & go to work 

with the screw gun.



Shelter done.



I added a 30x50 lean-to addition to my hangar using a similar technique 

& built the entire structure totally alone. The 30' purlins were light 

enough for me to lift one end & carry it up the ladder to set in its 

hanger on one end, then lift the other end to the top of its post. The 

32' pieces of roofing were placed on an over-extended extension ladder 

going from the ground to the eave, then dragged/pushed onto the roof. 

The work would have gone 3 or 4 times faster with a helper, but the 

point is, a helper isn't absolutely required.



The benefit of the single pitch roof is that all the water runs to the 

back, meaning you won't need a gutter on the front to keep water away at 

the entrance. (Simpler to build, too.)



BTW, isn't it amazing how many new and unexpected things you can learn 

when you visit a new web site? I've always wanted to 'learn to pole 

dance at home'....



Charlie

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Cheap hanger ideas

The airport where I keep my Slingshot does not allow privately built hangars since hangar rent is a big part of their revenue, at $250/mo rent and they are full with a waiting list. However, on the end of each row of T-hangars is a 1/2 T-hangar space with a wide roll up garage type door. Some of these are used for storage of ground maintenance equipment including snow plows etc. 



I am renting one of the unused 1/2 T-hangar spaces and store my Slingshot in it during the winter and tie-down outside during the summer flying season. I would probably fold the wings after every flight and store it in the 1/2 T if it did not require muffler removal. My A&P I/A partner and I 

http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix

 store our tools and equipment there and do a small amount of maintenance and inspection work on airplanes there which pays for our shop and my winter storage space at $100/mo. It is not ideal but it is cheap enough with the bit of revenue we get.

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Dana

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Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

At 10:54 AM 10/24/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:

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		  ...on the end of each row of T-hangars is a 1/2 T-hangar space with a wide 

roll up garage type door. Some of these are used for storage of ground 

maintenance equipment including snow plows etc.



I am renting one of the unused 1/2 T-hangar spaces and store my Slingshot 

in it during the winter and tie-down outside during the summer flying 

season. I would probably fold the wings after every flight and store it in 

the 1/2 T if it did not require muffler removal...


	


Couldn't you fit it in the 1/2 T by folding only one wing?  Of course it 

depends on which half of the T you have...



At our airport there's a Firestar (folded) and a gyrocopter sharing a 1/2 T.



-Dana



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Thom Riddle

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Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Cheap hanger ideas

Dana,



Yes I could fold just the left wing but would still have to remove the muffler to do that. It has two springs (like Rotax exhaust) per cylinder and safety wire securing each spring. Too much work for folding after every flight. If it were not for the need to safety the springs, the muffler removal would probably not be too onerous, but 8 safety wires is more than I'm willing to do every time I want to fly. I have an adequate cover for the canopy and engine but will be making a new and better one this winter.



While on this subject of tie-down outside... someone this list has commented that the Jabiru engines are prone to hard starting in humid conditions, at least the one(s) he was familiar with. It is not particularly humid here in Buffalo during the summer except when it rains. Once this summer, my first attempts at an engine cover failed during a rain storm and the engine was out in the rain over night. It was drenched when I arrived at the airport the next morning. It cranked right up with no problems. 



Perhaps the Jabiru that someone commented about was a very early model or perhaps the spark gaps (plugs and coils) were not set properly, or their distributer caps were not sealing properly. I can't say but can say without equivocation that I've not had any starting problems on my Jabiru 2200A (#1574) in any conditions, including those just described.... discounting the time I left the master switch on overnight .

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Cheap hanger ideas

 	  albertakolbmk3 wrote: 	
		  Hi again,



Anyone have some good ideas for a cheap hangar just to keep snow and the likes off of the kolb? 	




Here is a page showing how I built my hangar back in the 80's, we added another one just like it alongside a couple years back for Ed's FSII. It cost $1800 to build 25 years ago, Ed's recent one cost about $3200.

We use a roll up and roll down tarp across the front.

http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Hangar.html



One correction to the article on that page, what took 4 days 25 years ago takes 2 weeks after you pass age 60...



I can post more pictures if you want.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

ulflyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

There a way of interlocking the springs using small dia. aircraft 

cable where it can be quickly removed and taken out.  Think about how 

you would do it.

jerb



At 08:30 AM 10/24/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Dana,



Yes I could fold just the left wing but would still have to remove 

the muffler to do that. It has two springs (like Rotax exhaust) per 

cylinder and safety wire securing each spring. Too much work for 

folding after every flight. If it were not for the need to safety 

the springs, the muffler removal would probably not be too onerous, 

but 8 safety wires is more than I'm willing to do every time I want 

to fly. I have an adequate cover for the canopy and engine but will 

be making a new and better one this winter.



While on this subject of tie-down outside... someone this list has 

commented that the Jabiru engines are prone to hard starting in 

humid conditions, at least the one(s) he was familiar with. It is 

not particularly humid here in Buffalo during the summer except when 

it rains. Once this summer, my first attempts at an engine cover 

failed during a rain storm and the engine was out in the rain over 

night. It was drenched when I arrived at the airport the next 

morning. It cranked right up with no problems.



Perhaps the Jabiru that someone commented about was a very early 

model or perhaps the spark gaps (plugs and coils) were not set 

properly, or their distributer caps were not sealing properly. I 

can't say but can say without equivocation that I've not had any 

starting problems on my Jabiru 2200A (#1574) in any conditions, 

including those just described.... discounting the time I left the 

master switch on overnight .



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Thom Riddle

Buffalo, NY

Kolb Slingshot SS-021

Jabiru 2200A #1574

Tennessee Prop 64x31



A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from 

a simple system that works.

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frank.goodnight(at)att.ne
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:12 am Post subject: Cheap hanger ideas

Hi Richard ,

Thanks for  the photos of the mods to your firestar. I'm especialy  

interested in the PVC

fuel tanks. I,m planing to fly to M.V. this spring and some of the  

legs in west Texas are

longer than my fuel supply. I had thought about strapping on a 5  

gallon jug, and landing

someplace to pour it into my mains, but I like your idea better. My  

concern is with the glue

and fuel with alcohol. Did you use the pvc cement that you can buy at  

home depot & have

you had any problems? Thanks for any info you may be able to provide me.

Frank Goodnight

Firestar2

Brownsville Tx

On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Richard Pike wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 albertakolbmk3 wrote:

> Hi again,

>

> Anyone have some good ideas for a cheap hangar just to keep snow  

> and the likes off of the kolb?

 Here is a page showing how I built my hangar back in the 80's, we  

 added another one just like it alongside a couple years back for  

 Ed's FSII. It cost $1800 to build 25 years ago, Ed's recent one cost  

 about $3200.

 We use a roll up and roll down tarp across the front.

 http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Hangar.html

 One correction to the article on that page, what took 4 days 25  

 years ago takes 2 weeks after you pass age 60...

 I can post more pictures if you want.

 Richard Pike

 MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 69234#269234

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Cheap hanger ideas

Jerb,



The cable run through all the springs is worthing investigating. I'll do that tomorrow when I visit my slingshot next.



Rick,



I'll see if Jabiru sells another smaller muffler that might work on the Slingshot. It appears to me that my muffler is no wider than the engine either but the wing hinge location on the Slingshot is pretty close together, about 12" on centers if my eyeball tape measure is not too far off. The existing muffler is probably closer to 24" wide.



Thanks for your ideas.



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Richard Pike

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Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Cheap hanger ideas

[quote="frank.goodnight(at)att.ne"]Hi Richard ,

Thanks for  the photos of the mods to your firestar. I'm especialy  

interested in the PVC

fuel tanks. I,m planing to fly to M.V. this spring and some of the  

legs in west Texas are

longer than my fuel supply. I had thought about strapping on a 5  

gallon jug, and landing

someplace to pour it into my mains, but I like your idea better. My  

concern is with the glue

and fuel with alcohol. Did you use the pvc cement that you can buy at  

home depot & have

you had any problems? Thanks for any info you may be able to provide me.



Frank Goodnight

Firestar2

Brownsville Tx

Used the glue that Lowe's sells, no problems in 2 years. 

But when I rebuild the airplane, will be trying my hand at building an aluminum tank and mounting it in the upper area as John does with his MKIII. Ought to be able to get at least 12 gallons in the FSII, and have storage space underneath it. If it works out, will have these tanks for sale.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

albertakolbmk3

Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Posts: 69
Location: Innisfail, AB

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Cheap hanger ideas

Thanks for the ideas guys... I especially like the idea of using perlings.

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