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tc1917(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: thinner

If all the crap has died down, I would like to respond to the person in 

Hawaii who needed to know what to thin poly stuff down with.  You need to 

understand that MEK is a mixing agent that is also a drying agent.  It dries 

almost immediately but has very high penetration power.  You use MEK to mix 

in poly tak so it glues and sets quickly for putting your fabric on (for 

example).  Now, from experience, I have learned that you do not use MEK in 

poly brush.  It loosens the fabric quite quickly and you have to scrap 

everything.  (one whole wing panel).  I use lacquer thinner in poly brush, 

spray and even in poly paint.  Now, be very careful how much you use in the 

paint because it is very thin anyway.  I prefer to use a drying agent such 

as 85 or so depending on the weather so I can control how fast the paint 

dries for a good sheen.  But -- if all you can get is the lacquer thinner, I 

would do that but practice on something with it first.  It has a tendency to 

fog over and make itself dull.  I hope this answers your question 

completely.  I did not jump in when the waters were so muddy with crap talk. 

Let us please get this list back to actually talking about Kolbs instead of 

boobs.  I realize of course, there are others out there with different 

knowledge and experience and do things differently.  I just cannot seem to 

pay such a high price for thinner.  My opinion.  Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb 

Slingshot 912 UL.

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:47 am Post subject: thinner

> I use lacquer thinner in poly brush C spray and even in poly paint.  

 >My opinion. Ted Cowan C Alabama C Kolb 

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 Ted C

  

   Ellery and you suggest lacquer thinner may be an acceptable solvent in Poly Fiber products C on some occasions.

   I have only covered my MkIII C but  C for me C I'd be afraid of mixing things that the Poly Fiber makers wouldn't approve of.  Personally C my own experience with PF is quite limited C so I have no long term examples of how well the fiber stays on.

  

   Have the Poly Fiber people mentioned anything about lacquer thinner being an approved solvent for their products?

  

   I'm not arguing with your use of lacquer thinner C I'm just curious if it is safe C and won't hurt the adhesion of the PF glues.  Is there any empirical evidence it doesn't have any deleterious affects?

  

   Again C I'm not arguing with lacquer thinner's use C but for me and my limited knowledge C I'd need to know 100% it wouldn't hurt the Poly Fiber process.  I'd hate to be buzzing along in three years C and the wing's fabric fell off.

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII CX

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henry.voris

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Location: Pueo Field, Kula, Maui

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: Re: thinner

02nov09



Thanks Guys...



Mike W.,   I surely would like to use the regulation Poly-Fiber thinners, but I am unable to obtain them without paying the $300 HAZ-MAT toll (extortion). If I were covering the entire plane (or a wing) I wouldn't flinch. However we're talking about a 15" by 3" hole to patch. When I had punched a smaller hole in the wing Dave Starbuck told me to quit sniveling, patch it with packing tape, and go fly... (good advice) Unfortunately this hole is too large for packing tape... Although the photos I recently saw on the net of some guy in Alaska recovering his Cub with Ducting Tape after a bear attack gives me courage...



Ted,   Thanks for the good advise on the proper use of MEK and lacquer thinner. I do intend to practice before attacking the hole... Beauford was good enough to contact me off list with advise on selecting lacquer thinner by volatility...



The Kolb List is the best source of information and inspiration. When Five-Charlie-Bravo and I are in the air again, I know it'll be because of the help and advice I've recieved from the members of this list... even those members who engage in the periodic food-fights/pissing matches... Thank you all...



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elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: thinner

Mike

    

   I have covered many airplanes in the past and some of them working with a couple different  A&P's using Lacquer thinner some ultralights but also some ceritfied airplanes I have asked that same question to the A&P's I have worked with and they told me that Lacquer thinner  is the same stuff as what poly fiber sells only for more cash  and that they have beeen using it for years and have never had any problems 

 and I have many hundreds of hours in aircraft with having used Lacquer thinner and I have not had any fabric leaving any part of my plane 

   I have not called Polyfiber with that question , But what do you think they will say anyway  They want to sell you as much as they can for a premium rate 

   but to get the shine you want in your paint finish you have to use the thinner that will let the paint cure at the correct rate depending on the conditions you are working in "Temp & Humidity"

   I am not going to argue with anyone I think we have had enough of that on this list lately

    But if you use it in your poly brush,spray and even in poly paint well is that connected to the airplane you are flying ? are you leaving a trail of fabric in your travels?

    

   Ellery in Maine

   Dont worry Go Flying & have a great flight 

 

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: thinner

It "Does" seem peaceful on the list....

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 Thinning the Poly...everything...

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  "I" used MEK... bought locally...

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 I never noticed anything wrong with using it...



 My Fabric job turned out great.... it's been going for over



5 years now... I thinned everything with MEK...

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Most places didn't carry it... But Home Depot does...

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          Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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PS  I plan on thinning my next project the same way...

Wittman "Buttercup"

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Possums

Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 247

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: thinner

At 03:15 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote:

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It "Does" seem peaceful....(snip)



Thinning the Poly...everything!

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  "I" used MEK... bought locally...

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  I never noticed anything wrong with using it...?


	


Me neither, I use it for salad dressing - calms me down,

like Beauford  says, "I found that if I did NOT get at least eight 

daily hours of intense MEK fumes,

my hands shook so badly I had difficulty pouring gin, or lighting cigars...."

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russkinne(at)mac.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: thinner

POSSUMS!

You look even younger than I'd imagined

What a credit to Kolb-dom you are!

Congratulations.



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On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:38 PM, possums wrote:



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> <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>

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> It "Does" seem peaceful....(snip)

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> Thinning the Poly...everything!

> .

>  "I" used MEK... bought locally...

> .

>  I never noticed anything wrong with using it...?



 Me neither, I use it for salad dressing - calms me down,

 like Beauford  says, "I found that if I did NOT get at least eight  

 daily hours of intense MEK fumes,

 my hands shook so badly I had difficulty pouring gin, or lighting  

 cigars...."<New Student.JPG>

lcottrell

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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: thinner

Is that dinner or the family pet?

 Larry

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Possums

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: thinner

At 09:25 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote:

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		  Is that dinner or the family pet?

 Larry

 	
He ain't big enough to be dinner yet.



 But we will keep feeding him, like the chipmunks - maybe someday?



 "Possums do not harbor diseases normally found in dogs and cats, 

 such as distemper (rabies), parvovirus, or hepatitis. All warm-blooded 

 mammals can contract rabies, but opossums are rarely found to be 

 rabid. Scientists believe that because the oppossum is cursed with 

 a small brain (5 times smaller than that of a raccoon) it is protect 

 naturally from this type of disease." The perfect Sport Pilot.



 Darwin wins again!!

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Richard Pike

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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: Re: thinner

Possum Bar-B-Que - Yum Yum!



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GeoB

Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Location: Fresno, CA

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: Thinner

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		   Scientists believe that because the oposum is cursed with a small brain (5 times smaller than that of a raccoon)


	


A scientist who studies marsupials in Australia claims that a small brain can be a survival characteristic. In general, it is 'biologically costly' for an organism to maintain nerve tissue such as a brain. It requires a fairly constant temperature, it has to be protected from trauma and be shock-mounted, it consumes vast quantities of O2 and nutrition for its size, compared to other types of tissue. Zoologists and anthrpologists claim that if an organism has a large brain it is because his survival depends on it. You won't find one where it is not needed [1]. Interior Australia is not the garden spot of the world. The land is not very productive because there isn't enough water for a lot of plants. This can make survival tough there. Kangaroos (also a marsupial) have tiny brains. This cuts down significantly on their demand for food



[1] Some entemologists claim that bugs can probably think. They claim that a creature relying on a set of instincts to deal with danger and other life issues would require a large brain to hold all of the necessary responses. They think that a smaller brain that can reason would provide a larger more flexible set of responses.



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