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lyleedda(at)telus.net
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 Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? |
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Well, just the opposite, I have found.
When I was abuilding my RV, I used to sponge up any magazine stories and pictures about RVs ever since RV6
Ol' Blue came on line. Even pilot reports in ( egad ) ! English mags.
After only a half hour checkout, I was getting along just fine with my RV albeit with a couple of less than text book landings.
The other day though, I had to get checked out in a 172 and this really underlined what a sweet bird the RV really is.
I had never before, ever, been on final with only 300 feet altitude left and holding 2200 rpm in a STRONG wind to get down.
See, the instructor wanted those big barn door flaps hanging out full travel each and every time we went around so it felt like somebody had thrown the anchor out and we were two miles out with little ground speed and with me not wanting to sink below the 65 mph he liked to see on final, it was a lot of work, going round and round, smokin' ( for a 172 ) downwind, crabbing on base, and in low gear on final, wings going this way and that, and naturally, if the attitude was not just so, UP we would float and plop now and then as only about two landings were greasers without any noises......to go around again, she wanted to run for the right edge of the runway and lift off was good in that wind, although we did get some good closeup looks at cars and drivers on the way.
Old habits die hard and climbing at 100 which is good for an RV only gets me a couple of hundred of climb in the 172 until instructor fellow suggests pulling nose higher.
I did lots of things wrong....turning too soon , bank too much, fly over houses, try to slow down too soon, damn flaps...
An Rv does all the good things you expect it to do WHEN you want to do them.....adjusting to a 172 on a very turbulent day was not a good start.
I don't think I was a good ambassador for grey haired guys. He did not think today was a good day for me to do a few solo circuits.....maybe next time..
Funny thing I notice about the rental guys is that they don't ask anything about RVs. Don't even walk over on the ramp to gee whiz when an RV is parked....I think the office types warn them off us free spirit homebuilt people...no use in hanging with the wrong crowd....
Nowadays the rental outfits check you out very thoroughly...licence, medical, currency slip, RADIO LICENCE, can you believe it ?...photocopy of logbook, drivers licence, passport, certificate of circumcision...on and on...questions about what types you have flown..when...but when RV comes up, it is almost like it doesn't count...ain't professional i guess.
Not one has ever asked about the speeds, landings, crosswind behaviour, climbout......FUN FACTOR .....or asked to sit in one.....
If I was in my twenties and hanging around the ramp when something different came in, I would be there like a shot, but then by this time, I was probably affected by all those times I purposely stood in the slipstream of all those radial engines when they burped to life and cleared their throats of oil smoke and gas and a bit of ramp dust.
Mind you, I do like a 172 or almost anything that flies and won't scare you ( like a Seawind ), or that old Pietenpol that used to be here locally, the one with grass up to her legs, and the big honkin Kinner that looked like she would like to play lawn dart. That one I would never even want to sit in especially when the pal I knew told me he only flies " the old whore " once in a while for the owner who had very little liking to do so himself.
I ain't real picky..flyin' is flyin' and if it takes longer to get there, then I can most likely take time to map read since I never did have a wing leveler in the RV, and map reading had to be done quickly...ain't it all a hoot ?.....sure beats bingo !
Old Grey,
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jpl(at)showpage.org
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? |
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Lyle's message underscores why we have to go through check rides even
for something as easy to fly as a 172.
As for his comments regarding other folks' reaction to his
airplane... I can say that I would never ask to sit in the airplane
of someone I didn't know fairly well. I would most certainly want to
and would really love a ride, but if I don't know you, I'm not going
to ask. I wouldn't want to put you on the spot, forcing you to
acquiesce to my request even when you don't really want to.
I probably wouldn't even bother you on the ramp with questions I may
be dying to ask. Again, I don't want to be a pest. Yes, I
understand you may be quite happy to talk about your pride and joy.
But the times I'm likely to see your airplane are when it's stopping
for fuel, and you're going to look busy. I don't want to bug you
when you're busy.
The sort of folks you most want to give a ride are the folks who are
least likely to ask, I would think. Which means you need to do
something to be approachable, such as offer rides when someone
expresses the least interest.
"Nice airplane."
"Thanks. Built it myself. What do you fly?"
"I rent Cessnas."
"Well, want to ride in a REAL airplane?"
-Joe
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On Apr 13, 2006, at 4:23 PM, lyle wrote:
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The other day though, I had to get checked out in a 172 and
this really underlined what a sweet bird the RV really is.
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don't ask anything about RVs.
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Jerry Cochran
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? |
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What a well written and thought out reflection! Therefore... Please do
archive!
Jerry from rainy Oregon...
In a message dated 4/14/2006 12:06:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
Time: 02:27:52 PM PST US
From: "lyle" <lyleedda(at)telus.net>
Subject: Is an RV Hard To Fly ?
Well, just the opposite, I have found.
When I was abuilding my RV, I used to sponge up any magazine stories and
pictures
about RVs ever since RV6
Ol' Blue came on line. Even pilot reports in ( egad ) ! English mags.
After only a half hour checkout, I was getting along just fine with
my RV albeit with a couple of less than text book landings.
The other day though, I had to get checked out in a 172 and this really
underlined
what a sweet bird the RV really is.
I had never before, ever, been on final with only 300 feet altitude left
and holding 2200 rpm in a STRONG wind to get down.
See, the instructor wanted those big barn door flaps hanging out full
travel each and every time we went around so it felt like somebody had thrown
the anchor out and we were two miles out with little ground speed and with me
not wanting to sink below the 65 mph he liked to see on final, it was a lot
of work, going round and round, smokin' ( for a 172 ) downwind, crabbing on
base,
and in low gear on final, wings going this way and that, and naturally, if
the attitude was not just so, UP we would float and plop now and then as only
about two landings were greasers without any noises......to go around again,
she wanted to run for the right edge of the runway and lift off was good in
that
wind, although we did get some good closeup looks at cars and drivers on the
way.
Old habits die hard and climbing at 100 which is good for an RV only
gets me a couple of hundred of climb in the 172 until instructor fellow
suggests
pulling nose higher.
I did lots of things wrong....turning too soon , bank too much, fly over
houses, try to slow down too soon, damn flaps...
An Rv does all the good things you expect it to do WHEN you want to do
them.....adjusting to a 172 on a very turbulent day was not a good start.
I don't think I was a good ambassador for grey haired guys. He did not think
today was a good day for me to do a few solo circuits.....maybe next time..
Funny thing I notice about the rental guys is that they don't ask anything
about RVs. Don't even walk over on the ramp to gee whiz when an RV is
parked....I
think the office types warn them off us free spirit homebuilt people...no
use in hanging with the wrong crowd....
Nowadays the rental outfits check you out very thoroughly...licence,
medical, currency
slip, RADIO LICENCE, can you believe it ?...photocopy of logbook, drivers
licence, passport, certificate of circumcision...on and on...questions about
what types you have flown..when...but when RV comes up, it is almost like it
doesn't count...ain't professional i guess.
Not one has ever asked about the speeds, landings, crosswind behaviour,
climbout......FUN
FACTOR .....or asked to sit in one.....
If I was in my twenties and hanging around the ramp when something different
came in, I would be there like a shot, but then by this time, I was probably
affected by all those times I purposely stood in the slipstream of all those
radial engines when they burped to life and cleared their throats of oil
smoke and gas and a bit of ramp dust.
Mind you, I do like a 172 or almost anything that flies and won't scare you
( like a Seawind ), or that old Pietenpol that used to be here locally, the
one with grass up to her legs, and the big honkin Kinner that looked like she
would like to play lawn dart. That one I would never even want to sit in
especially
when the pal I knew told me he only flies " the old whore " once in a
while for the owner who had very little liking to do so himself.
I ain't real picky..flyin' is flyin' and if it takes longer to get there,
then
I can most likely take time to map read since I never did have a wing leveler
in the RV, and map reading had to be done quickly...ain't it all a hoot
?.....sure
beats bingo !
Old Grey,
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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? |
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Jerry2Dt from rainy Oregon...
To archive this you would actually have to also remove the D.N.A.-Line at the bottom of the original post!
Subject: Re: Is an RV Hard To Fly ?
What a well written and thought out reflection! Therefore... Please do archive!
Jerry from rainy Oregon...
From: "lyle" <lyleedda(at)telus.net>
Subject: Is an RV Hard To Fly ?
Well, just the opposite, I have found.
When I was abuilding my RV, I used to sponge up any magazine stories and
pictures
about RVs ever since RV6
Ol' Blue came on line. Even pilot reports in ( egad ) ! English mags.
After only a half hour checkout, I was getting along just fine with
my RV albeit with a couple of less than text book landings.
The other day though, I had to get checked out in a 172 and this really
underlined
what a sweet bird the RV really is.
I had never before, ever, been on final with only 300 feet altitude left
and holding 2200 rpm in a STRONG wind to get down.
See, the instructor wanted those big barn door flaps hanging out full
travel each and every time we went around so it felt like somebody had thrown
the anchor out and we were two miles out with little ground speed and with me
not wanting to sink below the 65 mph he liked to see on final, it was a lot
of work, going round and round, smokin' ( for a 172 ) downwind, crabbing on
base,
and in low gear on final, wings going this way and that, and naturally, if
the attitude was not just so, UP we would float and plop now and then as only
about two landings were greasers without any noises......to go around again,
she wanted to run for the right edge of the runway and lift off was good in
that
wind, although we did get some good closeup looks at cars and drivers on the
way.
Old habits die hard and climbing at 100 which is good for an RV only
gets me a couple of hundred of climb in the 172 until instructor fellow
suggests
pulling nose higher.
I did lots of things wrong....turning too soon , bank too much, fly over
houses, try to slow down too soon, damn flaps...
An Rv does all the good things you expect it to do WHEN you want to do
them.....adjusting to a 172 on a very turbulent day was not a good start.
I don't think I was a good ambassador for grey haired guys. He did not think
today was a good day for me to do a few solo circuits.....maybe next time..
Funny thing I notice about the rental guys is that they don't ask anything
about RVs. Don't even walk over on the ramp to gee whiz when an RV is
parked....I
think the office types warn them off us free spirit homebuilt people...no
use in hanging with the wrong crowd....
Nowadays the rental outfits check you out very thoroughly...licence,
medical, currency
slip, RADIO LICENCE, can you believe it ?...photocopy of logbook, drivers
licence, passport, certificate of circumcision...on and on...questions about
what types you have flown..when...but when RV comes up, it is almost like it
doesn't count...ain't professional i guess.
Not one has ever asked about the speeds, landings, crosswind behaviour,
climbout......FUN
FACTOR .....or asked to sit in one.....
If I was in my twenties and hanging around the ramp when something different
came in, I would be there like a shot, but then by this time, I was probably
affected by all those times I purposely stood in the slipstream of all those
radial engines when they burped to life and cleared their throats of oil
smoke and gas and a bit of ramp dust.
Mind you, I do like a 172 or almost anything that flies and won't scare you
( like a Seawind ), or that old Pietenpol that used to be here locally, the
one with grass up to her legs, and the big honkin Kinner that looked like she
would like to play lawn dart. That one I would never even want to sit in
especially
when the pal I knew told me he only flies " the old whore " once in a
while for the owner who had very little liking to do so himself.
I ain't real picky..flyin' is flyin' and if it takes longer to get there,
then
I can most likely take time to map read since I never did have a wing leveler
in the RV, and map reading had to be done quickly...ain't it all a hoot
?.....sure
beats bingo !
Old Grey,
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