Matronics Email Lists :: View topic - Engine Restraint Cable

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

Engine Restraint Cable
Goto page 1, 2 Next

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kitfox-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

KITFOXZ(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:20 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

Hello Kitfoxers,

  

 Has anyone ever heard of an engine completely departing from a Kitfox in  flight?  Has there ever been an actual case of a cable restraint  system proven in preventing this event?  Is employing a cable restraint  system a practical effort or a needless worry?

  

 John

 Columbus, Ohio

 Series V Outback,  912S     

  [quote][b]

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

I put one on mine, John, just so I could stop worrying about that  

aspect of flight and worry about other things. Of course, I fly  

behind a Jabiru, so maybe it's justified.  : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

do not archive



On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:17 PM, KITFOXZ(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hello Kitfoxers,



 Has anyone ever heard of an engine completely departing from a  

 Kitfox in flight?  Has there ever been an actual case of a cable  

 restraint system proven in preventing this event?  Is employing a  

 cable restraint system a practical effort or a needless worry?



 John

 Columbus, Ohio

 Series V Outback, 912S

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

KITFOXZ(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

Thanks Lynn,  But, have you ever heard of a prop failure/loss or bird  strike that actually resulted in complete engine departure?  

  

  In a message dated 11/15/2009 8:51:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  lynnmatt(at)jps.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I put    one on mine, John, just so I could stop worrying about that  

aspect    of flight and worry about other things. Of course, I fly  

behind a    Jabiru, so maybe it's justified.  : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV    Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000    hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire    ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and    learning)

do not archive

	


  [quote][b]

Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

I think it would only be a feel good measure because if it were to come completely loose the cable will still let it shit and it's all over either way. Just do your inspections and be diligent about checking mounts and hardware.

_________________
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

No, I haven't, but I've only been around full-size aviation for about  

5 years. What got me to thinking about a cable was reading about an  

engine that lost one blade of its prop, and the thing shook so  

violently that the engine mount broke and the only thing holding the  

engine is place was some wiring, throttle cable, etc. After reading  

that, I figured that a few ounces of weight spent on a cable couldn't  

hurt. I used 3/16" stainless steel, encircling the engine, through  

the firewall, around the framework and back out through the firewall,  

and then used 4  clamps on the overlapping cable.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:12 PM, KITFOXZ(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thanks Lynn,  But, have you ever heard of a prop failure/loss or  

 bird strike that actually resulted in complete engine departure?



 In a message dated 11/15/2009 8:51:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  

 lynnmatt(at)jps.net writes:

 I put one on mine, John, just so I could stop worrying about that

 aspect of flight and worry about other things. Of course, I fly

 behind a Jabiru, so maybe it's justified.  : )



 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

 Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

 Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

 Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 Rotec TBI-40 injection

 Status: flying (and learning)

 do not archive

 ============================================================

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

I have 1/8 Cable attached to my engine in 2 places.

It is fished around the fuselage tubes on the cabin side of the firewall.



I think this topic came up a few years ago and I posted pics. If you cannot find them, I can dig them up for you .



I Recommend that everyone has one. 



Cheap , simple insurance !

_________________
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
Hundreds of Kitfox Movies
Most viewed Kitfox on youtube
Most popular on youtube
Highest rated on youtube

Av8r3400

Joined: 22 Sep 2008
Posts: 83
Location: North Central Wisconsin (KRRL)

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

Help me understand how this is going to help an emergency situation.



If the engine departs the airframe or the its dangling by a cable or two?  Either way leaves mostly an uncontrollable situation, doesn't it?

_________________
Thanks,
Av8r3400

Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
YouTube Videos

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

I would suggest that a dangling engine is better than losing it  

altogether.....think tail heavy if it's gone. If it's dangling by a  

cable or two, the last 3-4 feet of landing altitude might get  

exciting, but if it's gone, you're gone. At least that's the way I've  

imagined it working out.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Av8r3400 wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Help me understand how this is going to help an emergency situation.



 If the engine departs the airframe or the its dangling by a cable  

 or two?  Either way leaves mostly an uncontrollable situation,  

 doesn't it?



 --------

 Thanks,

 Av8r3400



 Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL &amp; IVO

 Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL &amp; Warp



 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 73162#273162

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

I have not had this happen on a "real" plane, but lots of times on models.  One of the local guys builds alot and I do the test flights for him.  When we go into electrics, he though that a good friction fit would hold the engine on... I flew a few of his variable CG airplanes till I started checking them over real good before the first flight!  He used a plug in harness on one and when the motor came off, it came unplugged and was gone.   She was uncontrollable tail heavy and came in spinning hard.  2 others he soldered the connections and when they came off it was just exciting for a few till I got it settled down.. it was kinda like chasing a crane load that starts swinging on ya.  Both of those planes I was able to land in one piece.  I know the scale is different, but I am with Lynn on this one.  I would rather have a engine swinging a little and have a chance to get it on the ground, than to have the engine depart completely and have no option other than to try to bend over in the cramped cockpit and kiss your (at)ss good by!

_________________
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (147 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009

I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....

clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

I do not think you need a cable around the engine on a Rotax powered aircraft.  I know of 2 props that came apart C the vibration was so great that the carbs flew off and engine stopped.  These engines are not like the heavy direct drive aircraft engines.

  

 Clint

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

 From: akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com

 Date: Mon C 16 Nov 2009 11:56:53 -0800

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com>

 

 I have not had this happen on a "real" plane C but lots of times on models. One of the local guys builds alot and I do the test flights for him. When we go into electrics C he though that a good friction fit would hold the engine on... I flew a few of his variable CG airplanes till I started checking them over real good before the first flight! He used a plug in harness on one and when the motor came off C it came unplugged and was gone. She was uncontrollable tail heavy and came in spinning hard. 2 others he soldered the connections and when they came off it was just exciting for a few till I got it settled down.. it was kinda like chasing a crane load that starts swinging on ya. Both of those planes I was able to land in one piece. I know the scale is different C but I am with Lynn on this one. I would rather have a engine swinging a little and have a chance to get it on the ground C than to have the engine depart completely and have no option other than to try to bend!

 over in the cramped cockpit and kiss your (at)ss good by!

 

 --------

 DO NOT ARCHIVE

 Leonard Perry aka SNAKE

 Soldotna AK

 Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 

 582 IVO IFA

 Full Lotus 1450

 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009

 

 hander outer of humorless darwin awards

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273185#273185

 

 

 

 

 

 

&gt==============
	


[quote] 

 

 

 		 	   		     	  Quote: 	
		  [b]

wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

If you ever hit a bird and broke a prop, you would install a cable from the  engine to the firewall.

 [quote]   ---

Av8r3400

Joined: 22 Sep 2008
Posts: 83
Location: North Central Wisconsin (KRRL)

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

Sorry, guys.  I'm not getting this at all.

You recommend putting a cable to a light sheet-metal firewall?  What will that do?



Or through the firewall to the airframe?  Do you expect the cable to be stronger than the bolts that bolt the engine mount to the airframe?



Or is the whole purpose of this cable to be a backup in case the rubber engine mounts tear apart?  This seems more likely, but isn't the mount designed to not completely separate if the rubber is torn out?

I'm not trying to be a wise-guy here, just trying to understand the logic.

_________________
Thanks,
Av8r3400

Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
YouTube Videos

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

Not to blatantly bash the Rotax (just subtly), but from what I've  

seen of 'em, there is enough wires, cables, hoses and fuel lines to  

probably hold the engine in place. I think that's what kept ....was  

it Gary's? ......plane flyable, and let him land after one blade  

departed and the resultant vibration shook the engine loose. You old- 

timers will  recall who I mean. I'm pretty sure that was a Rotax  

engine. Seriously though, I'm NOT bashing Rotax, but I wouldn't bet  

on any amount of the normal wiring, hoses, etc. to hold ANY engine in  

place once the vibration of a less-than-complete prop begins.

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I do not think you need a cable around the engine on a Rotax  

 powered aircraft.  I know of 2 props that came apart, the vibration  

 was so great that the carbs flew off and engine stopped.  These  

 engines are not like the heavy direct drive aircraft engines.

 Clint

 > Subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

 > From: akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com

 > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:56:53 -0800

 > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 >

 > 

 <akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com>

 >

 > I have not had this happen on a "real" plane, but lots of times  

 on models. One of the local guys builds alot and I do the test  

 flights for him. When we go into electrics, he though that a good  

 friction fit would hold the engine on... I flew a few of his  

 variable CG airplanes till I started checking them over real good  

 before the first flight! He used a plug in harness on one and when  

 the motor came off, it came unplugged and was gone. She was  

 uncontrollable tail heavy and came in spinning hard. 2 others he  

 soldered the connections and when they came off it was just  

 exciting for a few till I got it settled down.. it was kinda like  

 chasing a crane load that starts swinging on ya. Both of those  

 planes I was able to land in one piece. I know the scale is  

 different, but I am with Lynn on this one. I would rather have a  

 engine swinging a little and have a chance to get it on the ground,  

 than to have the engine depart completely and have no option other  

 than to try to bend!

 > over in the cramped cockpit and kiss your (at)ss good by!

 >

 > --------

 > DO NOT ARCHIVE

 > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE

 > Soldotna AK

 > Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV

 > 582 IVO IFA

 > Full Lotus 1450

 > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009

 >

 > hander outer of humorless darwin awards

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > Read this topic online here:

 >

 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 73185#273185

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >==============

 >

 >

 >

 ============================================================ _- 

 ============================================================ _- 

 ============================================================

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

Putting a cable "TO" the firewall won't do a damn thing except wreck  

your once-pretty firewall. Putting the cable "through" the firewall,  

around some tubing members and back out through the firewall, around  

some substantial partof the engine where it can't slip off....through  

an unused hole, etc.,....then bring the cable ends together and  

parallel to each other, and use cable u-bolts/cable clamps to secure  

the ends together. At least that's the way I did mine.

The idea is to require the cable to break a weld, tear a piece of  

airframe out, or do some other catastrophic damage in order to come  

free with the engine. Maybe it'll just slow things down a bit....kind  

of like an energy absorbing device. If some of that flailing engines'  

energy is subdued, you stand a better chance of writing about the  

incident on this forum....after a change of skivvies.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Av8r3400 wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Sorry, guys.  I'm not getting this at all.

 You recommend putting a cable to a light sheet-metal firewall?   

 What will that do?



 Or through the firewall to the airframe?  Do you expect the cable  

 to be stronger than the bolts that bolt the engine mount to the  

 airframe?



 Or is the whole purpose of this cable to be a backup in case the  

 rubber engine mounts tear apart?  This seems more likely, but isn't  

 the mount designed to not completely separate if the rubber is torn  

 out?

 I'm not trying to be a wise-guy here, just trying to understand the  

 logic.



 --------

 Thanks,

 Av8r3400



 Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL &amp; IVO

 Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL &amp; Warp



 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 73218#273218

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

The idea is the airplane more or less retains its CG envelope and doesn't

quickly become too tail heavy, or nose light if you like, to glide.



Noel



--

_________________
Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

Below is a message I received off line.. 

G'day Snake,

 Please post this for me if you will. It seems to have gotten stuck in my server or whatever.  Larry Huntley ( Milk stool death wish pilot)

 

I'm not sure what is so complicated about this subject.

 1/  If an engine comes loose from the airframe the tail becomes heavier

than the nose. the plane returns to the ground tailfirst.Wings don't work.

You die.

  2/  If the engine is still hanging by a cable wrapped around the airframe,

the front is still heavier, it goes down nose first, wings still work,you

have some control.  You have a hell of a rough landing ,but you may well

live.

  Of course, #1 will not hurt.  #2 may hurt pretty bad. Your choice.

  If you are absolutely ,positively and totally confident that your

experimental engine on your experimental aircraft could not come loose under

any circumstances,there is no reason to think about it,but I think it is a

good subject to bring up on a forum like this as some may never have given

it thought.

  Thank you to whomever began this thread.     Larry

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

Both Gary and I have had prop failure s in flight and we have both had engines TEAR from mounts and break the engine mounts partially. 



We both landed safely (  yes dead stick practice is certainly an attribute) 



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=41866&highlight=safety+cable



did the engines fall off  ?    ==>  N0 



If they did , would I be posting this ?   == NO 

SAFETY CABLE   -- YES on engine and on bungee gear as well contrary to some peoples opinions.



You can pay now or pay later. 

Dave

clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

Hi Lynn C



 



I guess you are right about all these cables and wires holding things together in the most widely used engine used in LSA. 95% if I am correct.  The 912 ULS unlike the simple Jabiru 2200 with its equil poor performance which can be verified in several aviation magazines. Some say is sounds very nice

clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

What props were you using?

  

 Clint

 

[quote] Subject: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

 From: dave(at)cfisher.com

 Date: Tue C 17 Nov 2009 18:54:28 -0800

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com>

 

 Both Gary and I have had prop failure s in flight and we have both had engines TEAR from mounts and break the engine mounts partially. 

 

 We both landed safely ( yes dead stick practice is certainly an attribute) 

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=41866&highlight=safety+cable

 

 did the engines fall off ? ==> N0 

 

 If they did  C would I be posting this ? == NO 

 

 

 SAFETY CABLE -- YES on engine and on bungee gear as well contrary to some peoples opinions.

 

 You can pay now or pay later. 

 

 

 Dave

 

 --------

 Rotax Dealer C Ontario Canada

 http://www.cfisher.com/

 Awesome *New Forum *

 http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/

 Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth 

 http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273382#273382

 

 

 

 

 

 

==============

 

 

 

 		 	   		     	  Quote: 	
		  [b]

Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: Engine Restraint Cable

Clint, Leave Lynn alone. I've had a bad week, but Lynn's streak is alot longer. Hell, Lynn told me he's never getting married again...3 wives is enough. And, he is already more than a 1 beer guy.

 Again do not archive

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com (clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote] Hi Lynn,

 

I guess you are right about all these cables and wires holding things together in the most widely used engine used in LSA. 95% if I am correct.  The 912 ULS unlike the simple Jabiru 2200 with its equil poor performance which can be verified in several aviation magazines. Some say is sounds very nice.

 

 

P.S. What is going to happen when your Jabiru reaches 1000 hours, we are all waiting in suspense.

 

Clint

 

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)

 Subject: Re: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

 > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:13:49 -0500
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>

 > 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Not to blatantly bash the Rotax (just subtly), but from what I've 

 seen of 'em, there is enough wires, cables, hoses and fuel lines to 

 probably hold the engine in place. I think that's what kept ....was 

 > it Gary's? ......plane flyable, and let him land after one blade 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   departed and the resultant vibration shook the engine loose. You old- 

 timers will recall who I mean. I'm pretty sure that was a Rotax 

 > engine. Seriously though, I'm NOT bashing Rotax, but I wouldn't bet 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   on any amount of the normal wiring, hoses, etc. to hold ANY engine in 

 place once the vibration of a less-than-complete prop begins.

 > 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

 Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs

 Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

 Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 > Rotec TBI-40 injection
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Status: flying (and learning)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:

 

 > I do not think you need a cable around the engine on a Rotax 

 > > powered aircraft. I know of 2 props that came apart, the vibration 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > was so great that the carbs flew off and engine stopped. These 

 > engines are not like the heavy direct drive aircraft engines.

 > >
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > Clint

 >

 > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable

 > > From: akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com (akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com)

 > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:56:53 -0800

 > > > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > >

 > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" 

 > <akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com (akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com)>

 > > >
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > > I have not had this happen on a "real" plane, but lots of times 

 > on models. One of the local guys builds alot and I do the test 

 > flights for him. When we go into electrics, he though that a good 

 > > friction fit would hold the engine on... I flew a few of his 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > variable CG airplanes till I started checking them over real good 

 > before the first flight! He used a plug in harness on one and when 

 > > the motor came off, it came unplugged and was gone. She was 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > uncontrollable tail heavy and came in spinning hard. 2 others he 

 > soldered the connections and when they came off it was just 

 > > exciting for a few till I got it settled down.. it was kinda like 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > chasing a crane load that starts swinging on ya. Both of those 

 > planes I was able to land in one piece. I know the scale is 

 > > different, but I am with Lynn on this one. I would rather have a 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > engine swinging a little and have a chance to get it on the ground, 

 > than to have the engine depart completely and have no option other 

 > > than to try to bend!
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > > over in the cramped cockpit and kiss your (at)ss good by!

 > >

 > > --------

 > > DO NOT ARCHIVE

 > > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE

 > > > Soldotna AK
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > > Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV

 > > 582 IVO IFA

 > > Full Lotus 1450

 > > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009

 > >

 > > > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > > Read this topic online here:

 > >

 > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273185#273185

 > > >
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >==============

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > ========== _- 

 > > =================================== _- 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > ===================

 _=======

 

 

 


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  



"_blank">www.aeroelectric.com

.com/" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com

="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List

ttp://forums.matronics.com



	
[b]

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kitfox-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours Goto page 1, 2 Next
Page 1 of 2

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum