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RVPilot(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)

I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently.  His take on the situation was this:  

   

<![if !supportLists]>·         <![endif]>Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a “certified” on a production airplane.  The combination to the best of his knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane.  Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental.  Based on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.  

   

<![if !supportLists]>·         <![endif]>One interesting point that we discussed.  He said the local FSDO here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for testing.  He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the speeds we fly, it seemed that you were always ‘turning left’ to stay within the radius.  Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 100 miles away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it.  As example, I will likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination of Burlington, IA (BRL).  In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella, Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant.  There is always an airport nearby in case of emergency.  Being that I have family in two of those cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time.  

   

<![if !supportLists]>·         <![endif]>One other area that I pressed him about was this:  I wish to eliminate the ‘wet compass’ from my panel.  I have dual AFS screens, with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up.  My question was why do I have to have a wet compass?  He said that there was no provision in the FARs to allow it to be eliminated.  He said the rules were written in the 60’s or before, and they had not been updated for current technologies.  He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma.  Has anyone done this?  I’d sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen.  

   

p.s.  As a side note, I have lost my job.  I hope to get reemployed before I am required to sell the plane.  If you know of anyone needing a sales and marketing pro, please let me know.  

   

Pete  

RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.  

   

   

   

   

Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US  

Subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs  

From: "aerosport1" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>  

   

   

I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required  

to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental  

engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25  

why instead of 40.  

Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list   

if you would like.   

   

Thanks Geoff  

   

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Geoff Combs  

 RV-10 QB N829GW  

Finishing  

   

   

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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)

Peter James wrote:

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 I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently.  His take on the 

 situation was this:

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 ·         One other area that I pressed him about was this:  I wish to 

 eliminate the ‘wet compass’ from my panel.  I have dual AFS screens, 

 with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up.  My question was why do I 

 have to have a wet compass?  He said that there was no provision in the 

 FARs to allow it to be eliminated.  He said the rules were written in 

 the 60’s or before, and they had not been updated for current 

 technologies.  He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or 

 standards office in Oklahoma.  Has anyone done this?  I’d sure like to 

 eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen.

Get a suction-cup mounted compass from Wall-world.  Stick it anywhere 
	


you can see it .... not necessarily read it ....

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 p.s.  As a side note, I have lost my job.  I hope to get reemployed 

 before I am required to sell the plane.  If you know of anyone needing a 

 sales and marketing pro, please let me know.

I read this and the first thought was "You picked a fine time to leave 
	


me, my job".  My condolences.  I've got my fingers crossed.  Thankfully 

I'm retired and although I've lost a fair amount of money in real 

estate, I'm still hanging in there.  Best of luck.

Linn

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 Pete

 

 RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.

 

  

 

  

 

  

 

  

 

 Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US

 

 Subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs

 

 From: "aerosport1" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>

 

  

 

  

 

 I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required

 

 to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 

 experimental

 

 engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And 

 if 25

 

 why instead of 40.

 

 Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list

 

 if you would like.

 

  

 

 Thanks Geoff

 

  

 

 --------

 

 Geoff Combs

 

  RV-10 QB N829GW

 

 Finishing

 

  

 

  

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

  

 

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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)

I would love to hear from any DAR that can grant a 25 hour experimental flyoff for a Subaru 'non TCDS' engine/prop combination.  40 seems to have a solid basis in safe flight.  And, Scotts perspective has been well proven with the current fleet.  Anyone remember Dan Lloyd's flyoff?  Where's Das Fed when you need a sound voice?  

   

Extended operational ranges from the Base of Operation (while avoiding congested areas) for Phase One makes a lot of sense.  

   

The requirement for a redundant compass was not based on either the 60's or a resistance to what is now called "current technologies".  Lightning strikes, EMF and a multitude of primitive failures of electrons force even 21st century glass cockpits pushed out of the factories of 2010 to retain an ISI and a compass.  Anyone remember the French flight out of South America that went down over the Atlantic? It will be interesting to see the rewrite that changes the old - proven technology of the paper, tube and fabric era.  Till you lose all electrical and the back-up fails you simply haven't discovered the road traveled  from the stick and rudder days.  Fly by wire and glass EFIS have some damned expensive triple redundant systems which are beyond even the budgets of RV-10 builders.  

   

Oh Yeh, Happy Birthday MATT!  

   

John Cox  

-pushin electrons-  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter James

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 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)  

  

  

   

   

I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently.  His take on the situation was this:  

   

<![if !supportLists]>·         <![endif]>Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a “certified” on a production airplane.  The combination to the best of his knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane.  Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental.  Based on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.  

   

<![if !supportLists]>·         <![endif]>One interesting point that we discussed.  He said the local FSDO here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for testing.  He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the speeds we fly, it seemed that you were always ‘turning left’ to stay within the radius.  Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 100 miles away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it.  As example, I will likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination of Burlington, IA (BRL).  In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella, Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant.  There is always an airport nearby in case of emergency.  Being that I have family in two of those cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time.  

   

<![if !supportLists]>·         <![endif]>One other area that I pressed him about was this:  I wish to eliminate the ‘wet compass’ from my panel.  I have dual AFS screens, with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up.  My question was why do I have to have a wet compass?  He said that there was no provision in the FARs to allow it to be eliminated.  He said the rules were written in the 60’s or before, and they had not been updated for current technologies.  He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma.  Has anyone done this?  I’d sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen.  

   

p.s.  As a side note, I have lost my job.  I hope to get reemployed before I am required to sell the plane.  If you know of anyone needing a sales and marketing pro, please let me know.  

   

Pete  

RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.  

   

   

   

   

Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US  

Subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs  

From: "aerosport1" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>  

   

   

I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required  

to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental  

engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25  

why instead of 40.  

Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list   

if you would like.   

   

Thanks Geoff  

   

--------  

Geoff Combs  

 RV-10 QB N829GW  

Finishing  

   

   

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