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Mike Whisky

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: Feedback wanted

I just wanted some feedback if the cable routing is ok and if using cable-ties is ok. If not what did others use.



Thanks Michael

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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Feedback wanted

 	  Michael Wellenzohn wrote: 	
		  I just wanted some feedback if the cable routing is ok and if using cable-ties is ok. If not what did others use.



Thanks Michael 	


Don't use the ties around your fuel injector lines or oil return lines underneath the cylinders or around your engine mount.  Use adel clamps on the injector lines like you already have from the engine shop.

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: Feedback wanted

In addition to the below comment, one thing I got from one of my inspectors

a few airplanes ago was not to tie things together directly with the tie

wraps as it invites chafing.  Instead use 3 tie wraps, one around each item

and then one to connect the two tie wraps.  I vaguely remember some

discussion contrary to this, but that was from an FAA guy and it made sense

to me. 



The routing itself looks very nice in my opinion.



Marcus  



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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: Feedback wanted

Michael,



A couple points:



First, as unlikely as it seems, cable ties will chafe into aluminum and steel tubes after a couple hundred hours or less.  Adel clamps are a huge pain in the butt but there's nothing better for securing something to a tube.

   

Second, I've never had any luck getting the adhesive pads on cable tie mounts to stick very well, even under the best conditions.  Don't count on those on the firewall staying there very long.  In cool areas we glue them on with Hysol.  In a hot area like the engine compartment you're gonna need a pop rivet or two.

   

Dave Saylor

AirCrafters LLC

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: Feedback wanted

You can also use silicone tape which sticks only to itself.  Then a cable tie over the tape. Just not too tight on the tie over the  tape.

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Michael,

A couple points:

First, as unlikely as it  seems, cable ties will chafe into aluminum and steel tubes after a couple  hundred hours or less.  Adel clamps are a huge pain in the butt but there's  nothing better for securing something to a tube.

Second, I've never had  any luck getting the adhesive pads on cable tie mounts to stick very well, even  under the best conditions.  Don't count on those on the firewall staying  there very long.  In cool areas we glue them on with Hysol.  In a hot  area like the engine compartment you're gonna need a pop rivet or  two.

Dave Saylor

AirCrafters LLC

140 Aviation  Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284  Cell

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: Cable ties =nyet

I am with Dave - I used a roll of silicone tape from Spruce to tie it all together. It is awesome. Use a scissors to cut the 1" strips into 1/2" strips and wrap it around anything loose. EGT. CHT wires, ignition, all the ignition wires and EFIS wires, and as an anti chafe. I think that it goes to 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Even if the cable ties do not melt on you they harden and break over time. Only behind the firewall.

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Mike Whisky

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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Location: Switzerland

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Feedback wanted

Thank you for all your great feedback. I'll see if I can use Adel clamps.



Cheers

Michael

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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:17 am Post subject: Feedback wanted

Google 'rescue tape' ..... I bought their sampler kit with 6 or 7 colors.

Linn



AirMike wrote:

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 I am with Dave - I used a roll of silicone tape from Spruce to tie it

 all together. It is awesome. Use a scissors to cut the 1" strips into

 1/2" strips and wrap it around anything loose. EGT. CHT wires,

 ignition, all the ignition wires and EFIS wires, and as an anti

 chafe. I think that it goes to 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Even if the

 cable ties do not melt on you they harden and break over time. Only

 behind the firewall.

 

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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Feedback wanted

Hey Linn,



I like the silicone tape also.  I shopped around and settled on F4 tape at Amazon:  

http://www.amazon.com/F4-Tape-Self-fusing-Silicone-Oxide/dp/B001HETINI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1260108700&sr=8-1



The blurb says "avation", it got an excellent review, and I got two rolls to qualify for free shipping.  It is very easy to cut, as you say, and very simple to add more wires to the bundle later by adding another strip.



Later, - Lew

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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: Feedback wanted

FWIW....it also works well on

 F-16s, A-10s, F-15s and every make and model of car I've ever owned...F-4 tape is a pretty general description since there was so many types of tape used to keep them flying....albeit the red silicone variety was the official first "F-4" tape...it also makes good Superballs !!!!

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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: Feedback wanted

Check this for under the cowl



http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11847/High-Temperature-Tapes/1-x-12-yd

s-Black-Silicone-Self-Fusing-Tape

 



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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: Feedback wanted

Michael



Never use cable ties in the engine compartment to secure anything to a motor

mount, any fluid line, always use clamps.  Cable ties will eventually either

stretch or just come loose and will chafe and worse will get dirt and grime

under them then chafe with dirt under them (sand paper) and will wear holes

in everything. 



Clamps will hold a lot better and not wear out like cable ties do. 



John G. Cumins

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Fairfield Ca 94533

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nukeflyboy

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Location: Granbury, TX

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Feedback wanted

I thought that AC 43.13-1A made it a no-no to tie electrical lines to fuel lines.  Why is it OK to tie a spark plug line (which are known to arc over) to a fuel injection line?  I didn't see anyone mention this.  Am I in error?

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