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sarg314(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: passenger stick

I put a 1/4" pin thru my passenger side stick (RV-6A) secured with a spring clip. Â There's a small connector on the cable from the stick grip, so the thing is pretty easily removable. Â My problem is that it wobbles slightly. Â I tried putting a little scotch tape on it to fill the gap, but 1 layer of scotch tape on the tube is too much. So it must be just a few thousandths undersize. Still it's easy to feel. Â Even when the pilot stick is moved I can feel the passenger stick rattling around. Â  Does any one have any suggestions for securing this?

Thanks

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Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly

 

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sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:22 pm Post subject: passenger stick

On 12/19/2009 10:38 AM, thomas sargent wrote:

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		   I put a 1/4" pin thru my passenger side stick (RV-6A) secured with a spring

 clip.  There's a small connector on the cable from the stick grip, so the

 thing is pretty easily removable.  My problem is that it wobbles slightly.

   I tried putting a little scotch tape on it to fill the gap, but 1 layer of

 scotch tape on the tube is too much. So it must be just a few thousandths

 undersize. Still it's easy to feel.  Even when the pilot stick is moved I

 can feel the passenger stick rattling around.

 Does any one have any suggestions for securing this?



 Thanks


	


Deform the end of the stick just enough to make it less "round". That 

should make it a friction fit in the socket.



Sam Buchanan

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: passenger stick

Tom, I replaced the supplied steel tube with hardware store aluminum, for weight savings and because the steel stick caused my panel mounted compass to go nuts.  A spiral wrap of black electrician's tape (not overlapping) makes for a snug fit.  I removed the stick-mounted pax PTT switch when I made the change, and did not realize until a long time after, that with my current intercom wiring and no passenger PTT switch, when I key the mic and let the pax talk on the comm, all anyone hears is dead air.  Drat!  They have to use my headset to talk to the other members of the flight, and that's not going to happen!  Project for a rainy day, I guess. 



I did the spring clip/clevis pin thing at first, too, but decided it was totally unnecessary.  I leave the stick out unless I intend to offer the pax some stick time.  Makes ingress and egress for beefier thighs much more comfortable and assures I have full aileron deflection available.

 



Bill 



On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:38 AM, thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com (sarg314(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] I put a 1/4" pin thru my passenger side stick (RV-6A) secured with a spring clip.  There's a small connector on the cable from the stick grip, so the thing is pretty easily removable.  My problem is that it wobbles slightly.  I tried putting a little scotch tape on it to fill the gap, but 1 layer of scotch tape on the tube is too much. So it must be just a few thousandths undersize. Still it's easy to feel.  Even when the pilot stick is moved I can feel the passenger stick rattling around.    Does any one have any suggestions for securing this?

Thanks

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Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly

 

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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: passenger stick

Why not tape off the stick above the joint and hit the area that slides in the joint with a light coat of your favorite spray paint.  If it is still not snug enough, hit it with another coat.

Bret Smith

RV-9A N16BL

Blue Ridge, GA

www.FlightInnovations.com



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bob194bn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: passenger stick

Tom when i built my 9-a painted stick and sanded down to friction fit in scoket very  tight, but can be removed in flight and replaced in flight no pins needed.

   From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com>

To: rv-list <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 8:38:11 AM

Subject: passenger stick

 I put a 1/4" pin thru my passenger side stick (RV-6A) secured with a spring clip.  There's a small connector on the cable from the stick grip, so the thing is pretty easily removable.  My problem is that it wobbles slightly.  I tried putting a little scotch tape on it to fill the gap, but 1 layer of scotch tape on the tube is too much. So it must be just a few thousandths undersize. Still it's easy to feel.  Even when the pilot stick is moved I can feel the passenger stick rattling around.   Does any one have any suggestions for securing this?

 Thanks

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Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly

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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: passenger stick

One or two more coats of paint on the stick..maybe?  

 Dale Ensing

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dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: passenger stick

Tom:My pax side stick fits tightly and requires considerable effort to remove.  That notwithstanding, I secured it with an AN3 bolt & nyloc nut - but of course it's not conveniently removed - takes about 10 minutes and can only be done on the ground.   Some builders use a pin with a ring on one end and a spring clip on the other.  Others simply set it in place (friction fit) and hope it doesn't come out at some inopportune moment; it has happend.   I'd say, better safe now than sorry later.  Secure it - with a pin or bolt - doesn't cost much and only takes a few minutes.  I've been giving my wife lessons and if there is any way for that stick to come out accidentally - she'd find it.  

 Dan Bergeron



RV-7A, N307TB

Nearly 70 hours flight time since 



first flight on 08/04/09 at 7B2 (Northampton, MA)    



On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM, BOB L WATSON <bob194bn(at)verizon.net (bob194bn(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

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		  Tom when i built my 9-a painted stick and sanded down to friction fit in scoket very  tight, but can be removed in flight and replaced in flight no pins needed.

  

   From: thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com (sarg314(at)gmail.com)>

To: rv-list <rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)>

 Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 8:38:11 AM

Subject: RV-List: passenger stick



 I put a 1/4" pin thru my passenger side stick (RV-6A) secured with a spring clip.  There's a small connector on the cable from the stick grip, so the thing is pretty easily removable.  My problem is that it wobbles slightly.  I tried putting a little scotch tape on it to fill the gap, but 1 layer of scotch tape on the tube is too much. So it must be just a few thousandths undersize. Still it's easy to feel.  Even when the pilot stick is moved I can feel the passenger stick rattling around.   Does any one have any suggestions for securing this?

 



 Thanks

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Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly



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johnd(at)wlcwyo.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: passenger stick

Check out the attached PDF. This is the mod I did to my passenger stick.  

Do not fly without having the stick attached someway.  

I had forgotten to attach my passenger stick and while letting the passenger perform some stalls, the stick came out.  

Good thing I was following along with my hand on my stick.  

You should have seen the look on his face when the stick came out.  

Priceless  

     

[b]John L. Danielson[/b]  

   

        

  

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I put a 1/4" pin thru my passenger side stick (RV-6A) secured with a spring clip.  There's a small connector on the cable from the stick grip, so the thing is pretty easily removable.  My problem is that it wobbles slightly.  I tried putting a little scotch tape on it to fill the gap, but 1 layer of scotch tape on the tube is too much. So it must be just a few thousandths undersize. Still it's easy to feel.  Even when the pilot stick is moved I can feel the passenger stick rattling around.      

Does any one have any suggestions for securing this?  

    

   

    

Thanks

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Deerlake(at)bresnan.net
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: passenger stick

Hi, John.



That made me chuckle.  When Charlie T. (now lives in Casper if you 

didn't know) first flew with me, I let him fly it with a "loose stick" 

and we hit a bit of turbulence.  The stick came out.  The look on his 

face was hilarious!



I left my stick loose because there were too many times landing when I 

needed to get some extra aileron and the passenger's leg was in the 

way.  My normal procedure on final was to pull it out and hand it to the 

passenger.  That always got some funny looks.



The downside to a loose stick is you really hit some turbulence.  I was 

flying west of my house and hit the worst turbulence I'd ever hit in 25 

years of flying.  The stick flew out and hit the canopy.  That could 

have been bad.



Bob Skinner



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John Danielson wrote:

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 Check out the attached PDF. This is the mod I did to my passenger stick.



 Do not fly without having the stick attached someway.



 I had forgotten to attach my passenger stick and while letting the 

 passenger perform some stalls, the stick came out.



 Good thing I was following along with my hand on my stick.



 You should have seen the look on his face when the stick came out.



 Priceless



  



 **John L. Danielson**



  



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racerjerry

Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: Re: passenger stick

Install the removable passenger stick using an AN3 bolt & nyloc nut.  Tightening the bolt will remove all backlash.  Your insurance company, kids and wife will thank you (in that order).

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