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luis(at)cristabelle.net
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Which tool kit is the most complete/best to order for the -10.



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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

I went with the Avery Kit and was happy.



Swapped out the C-Frame for the DRDT-2.  = Great move.



If I had it to do again:

1) I'd swap out the hand squeezer for their pneumatic squeezer.

2) Order 200 extra 3/32" (Silver) clecos.

3) Order a 12" #12 bit.

4) Load up on extra emery cloth.

5) Load up on extra 1" Scotchbrite wheels.

6) Load up on Scotchbrite (Maroon) pads.

7) Add a longeron yoke.

 Add a chucking reamer for a #40 and #30.  They'll come in handy.

9) I'd swap out their vice-grip style fluting pliers for the more

standard type.  SKU #515

10) I'd completely drop their vice grip style dimpling pliers.  They're

not needed and don't work that well.

Avery's been great to do business with too.  No complaints here.



BTW: Make sure the cleco's you buy are Wedge-Lock.  They're the best

ones out there for durability and grabbing strength.  Every time I've

ordered cleco's from Avery mine have been Wedge Lock's.



Phil





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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

I love my isham set. 

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

I went with planetools.com it was totally complete and they had specific

bucking bar for the elevator aft spars.  Totally complete.  But I have added

about 300 additional #3 clecos

John Cumins



4086 emp in pieces for debur and primering

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Depending on how much time you want to spend on this I would tell you that  one can get a great tool kit for about $600. I bought most of my hydraulic tools  on ebay, the boeing store (not an option anymore) and The Yard Store  (refurbished section) My new sioux drill from Brown tools, otherwise I put  a list together, ask builders what I really needed , Tim Olson being the person  who got the brunt on my questions and ended up getting most things from The Yard  Store and Brown Tools. Brown worked with me on giving me a discount for buying  the bulk of my tools from him but the drills and other basic tools came from The  Yard Store. My non critical tools were bought from Harbor Freight, pop riveter  and things I didn't use much but glad to have for $30 and not worried if it  breaks tomorrow, it was a short term gain and did all I needed it to do.. still  working BTW after doing all of the empennage floors which is well over 100's of  rivets.

 In other words, I didn't buy a complete kit, 1) too expensive 2) there are  tools in there that one may use once 3)there are great industrial quality tools  one can buy off of ebay that worked "like new" so rather than paying $300 plus  for a APT recoiless riveter I got it for $69 never had one ounce of issues with  anything I bought hence my suggestion to do your homework and put the difference  saved towards upgrading the axles, wheels, and other items you'll find you want  better quality than what Vans sends.

 If you insist on buying a kit support those who support Doug Reeves of VAF-  Brown Tools, Avery being the two that come to mind. Call them and see what they  can do for you with putting a kit together, great to work with and they'll take  the time to answer any questions.

 Best of success with your purchase.

 Pascal

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Strasnuts

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Coming up with money for my 10 has been tough but I soany a lot of money on really nice tools and I don't regret it at all. Its amazing how many hours you can put on a drill or squeezers and guns.  Don't go cheap. Also the DRDT 2 dimpler is awesome and saves a bunch of time. Planetools is ran by isham and he backs up all his tools. I had a squeezer adjustable set bend and he sent me a new one. 

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

I loved mine too though it was 3 years ago.



Getting a chance to try out the various tools at Ron Alexander's week 

long build class allowed me to make a number of informed choices about 

the kit



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Kelly McMullen

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Suggest adding a Harbor Freight set of cobalt number size drills for

the $20 bucks or so, because there are holes that the plans call for

drill sizes not supplied in my Isham kit and not too common generally.



On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com> wrote:



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		    Add a chucking reamer for a #40 and #30.  They'll come in handy.

#41 reamer works better. You don't want the hole any bigger than
	


necessary. I have both, but have gone to just the smaller 41 because

the dimpling will enlarge the hole anyway.



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		   9) I'd swap out their vice-grip style fluting pliers for the more

 standard type.  SKU #515

 10) I'd completely drop their vice grip style dimpling pliers.  They're

 not needed and don't work that well.

I've used my dimpling pliers quite a few times, where nothing else but
	


pop-rivet dimpler would reach, and doesn't do as nice a job.



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		   Avery's been great to do business with too.  No complaints here.



 BTW: Make sure the cleco's you buy are Wedge-Lock.  They're the best

 ones out there for durability and grabbing strength.  Every time I've

 ordered cleco's from Avery mine have been Wedge Lock's.



 Phil


	


While the pneumatic squeezer is great, there are times I'd like to

have manual squeezer for certain tasks.

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Strasnuts

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Oh ya add a nice punch set. I forgot what they are called but they use a bolt to make holes in tight places and firewalls. Half inch thru one and a quarter. 

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luis(at)cristabelle.net
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Score:



Ischam 3

Avery.  1

Custom 2



Thank you for the responses so far!!!



I'll definetly add the hole punch, extra clecos, extra scotchbrite  

wheels, and a drdt2.



I'll eBay the air drill and pneumatic sqeezer.



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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

I purchased the Avery kit and it certainly does the job but, as others have said, there are some items in it that are not very useful.  Their double edge deburring tool is worthless IMHO, I've had three replaced now.  They have all had their heads fall off from brazing of the head on and I finally chucked it in my junk drawer.  DRDT-2 is a must also.  If I had to do it today, I would probably go with Isham.



Michael



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Kellym

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

IMHO, your best deal on a drill is from Avery. The Chicago Pneumatic is 

compact, light, and  has a very nice touch teasing trigger, for $125, or 

$155 with reversing. Sure a keyless chuck is nice, but is it worth an 

extra $70? Maybe Avery would make a deal combining the two.

Luis Rodriguez wrote:

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 Score:

 Ischam 3

 Avery.  1

 Custom 2

 Thank you for the responses so far!!!

 I'll definetly add the hole punch, extra clecos, extra scotchbrite 

 wheels, and a drdt2.

 I'll eBay the air drill and pneumatic sqeezer.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Luis Rodriguez <luis(at)cristabelle.net> wrote:

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

I have the red one and not sure the teasing capability is very good, so 

the Chicago sounds great.  Keyless chuck?  Can't imagine being without it.

Kelly McMullen wrote:

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 IMHO, your best deal on a drill is from Avery. The Chicago Pneumatic 

 is compact, light, and  has a very nice touch teasing trigger, for 

 $125, or $155 with reversing. Sure a keyless chuck is nice, but is it 

 worth an extra $70? Maybe Avery would make a deal combining the two.

 Luis Rodriguez wrote:

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> Ischam 3

> Avery.  1

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> Thank you for the responses so far!!!

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> I'll definetly add the hole punch, extra clecos, extra scotchbrite 

> wheels, and a drdt2.

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> I'll eBay the air drill and pneumatic sqeezer.

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> Sent from my iPod

>

> On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Luis Rodriguez <luis(at)cristabelle.net> 

> wrote:

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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

In my kit Isham threw in the keyless chuck Souix drill and it has been great 

even after being dropped about a hundred times.  The keyless chuck part was 

a free upgrade not the drill itself.



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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

I looked at putting a keyless chuck on my Sioux, but in the end I never  really felt that it was a big enough deal to actually do it. I think if one is  frugal, like me, it certainly is worth just trying everything as is and  upgrading those things that one really needs (or wants) no different than the  kit itself, some items really "need" to be replaced/upgraded and many don't,  others are fine as it is even though some have upgraded. My examples would  focus around the landing gear; axle, extension, wheel, etc.

 



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From:  "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

Sent: Thursday,  December 31, 2009 7:20 AM

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Subject: Re:  Most complete tool kit



[quote] --> RV10-List message posted  by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

 

 I  have the red one and not sure the teasing capability is very good, so 

  the Chicago sounds great.  Keyless chuck?  Can't imagine being without  it.

 

 Kelly McMullen wrote:

> --> RV10-List message  posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>

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>  IMHO, your best deal on a drill is from Avery. The Chicago Pneumatic  

> is compact, light, and  has a very nice touch teasing trigger,  for 

> $125, or $155 with reversing. Sure a keyless chuck is nice, but  is it 

> worth an extra $70? Maybe Avery would make a deal combining  the two.

>

> Luis Rodriguez wrote:

>> -->  RV10-List message posted by: Luis Rodriguez  <luis(at)cristabelle.net>

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>> Ischam 3

>> Avery.   1

>> Custom 2

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>> Thank you for the  responses so far!!!

>>

>> I'll definetly add the hole  punch, extra clecos, extra scotchbrite 

>> wheels, and a  drdt2.

>>

>> I'll eBay the air drill and pneumatic  sqeezer.

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>> Sent from my  iPod

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>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Luis Rodriguez  <luis(at)cristabelle.net> 

>>  wrote:

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Albert Gardner

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

The RV-10 is my 3rd kit but I never bought a complete tool kit, just what I needed from time to time. Most from Avery (excellent quality and service) but some from Harbor Freight (cheap and lacking quality). If you are near other builders or there is a active EAA Chapter nearby, those guys can offer advice (some good,  some  great, some ?) on what you need, how to use it, and might even lend seldom used, expensive tools so that you can save money for gas.  By the time you buy your own you may have used what you are thinking of buying and will will make better decisions I think. For instance, I have found reaming the pilot holes rather than using a drill leaves far less to deburr. And I borrowed a friends Fein Multitool for the fiberglass top rather than buy one-good deal for me since I've never had any need for one since.  

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

While I've got the experts on the line...

I'm currently trying to acquire used tools (aka, on the cheap) to start building an RV-10.  I've been looking at ebay for drills, and realize I don't quite know what I need.

In particular, when I read articles on building, I've seen multiple references (including the Sioux web site) which say you need >5000rpm in a drill for working with aluminum.  But such a drill doesn't seem to exist, and the drills that come with RV-10 tool kits tend to be around 2000rpm.

If I just buy one of the (many) older Sioux drills on ebay, am I likely to be happy?  Or do these things tend to wear out or break in funny ways when they get older?

Chris

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

[quote]      I looked at putting a keyless chuck on my Sioux, but in the end I never  really felt that it was a big enough deal to actually do it. I think if one is  frugal, like me, it certainly is worth just trying everything as is and  upgrading those things that one really needs (or wants) no different than the  kit itself, some items really "need" to be replaced/upgraded and many don't,  others are fine as it is even though some have upgraded. My examples would  focus around the landing gear; axle, extension, wheel, etc.

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From:  "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>

Sent: Thursday,  December 31, 2009 7:20 AM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Re:  Most complete tool kit

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 I  have the red one and not sure the teasing capability is very good, so 

  the Chicago sounds great.  Keyless chuck?  Can't imagine being without  it.

 Kelly McMullen wrote:

> --> RV10-List message  posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com (kellym(at)aviating.com)>

>

>  IMHO, your best deal on a drill is from Avery. The Chicago Pneumatic  

> is compact, light, and  has a very nice touch teasing trigger,  for 

> $125, or $155 with reversing. Sure a keyless chuck is nice, but  is it 

> worth an extra $70? Maybe Avery would make a deal combining  the two.

>

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>>  Score:

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>> Ischam 3

>> Avery.   1

>> Custom 2

>>

>> Thank you for the  responses so far!!!

>>

>> I'll definetly add the hole  punch, extra clecos, extra scotchbrite 

>> wheels, and a  drdt2.

>>

>> I'll eBay the air drill and pneumatic  sqeezer.

>>

>> Sent from my  iPod

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>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Luis Rodriguez  <luis(at)cristabelle.net (luis(at)cristabelle.net)> 

>>  wrote:

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Louis



The drill and pneumatic sqeezer are part of the ISM kit you want to get both

from them and I love the feel of the drill fits my hand perfectly.

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   I bought a Sioux palm drill and 3x rivet gun new...they are IMHO the best out there...not cheap...the best...Precision air tools makes the best dimple and rivet dies set on the market and I also have his pneumatic squeezer Kim's father was a RV builder and sheet metal master..his dies are super precision Cnc machined...I never broke or damage one...if you look at my RV you can see the quality if the dimples these make ...careful of ebay air tools...they may need a rebuild when you get them..  Off to the airport to burn some avgas....heheheh!!!!!Rick SkedN246RS.

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While I've got the experts on the line...

I'm cu= rrently trying to acquire used tools (aka, on the cheap) to start building = an RV-10. =A0I've been looking at ebay for drills, and realize I don&#3= 9;t quite know what I need.

In particular, when I read articles on building, I'= ve seen multiple references (including the Sioux web site) which say you ne= ed >5000rpm in a drill for working with aluminum. =A0But such a drill do= esn't seem to exist, and the drills that come with RV-10 tool kits tend=  to be around 2000rpm.

If I just buy one of the (many) older Sioux drills on e= bay, am I likely to be happy? =A0Or do these things tend to wear out or bre= ak in funny ways when they get older?

Chris

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>> I'll eBay the air drill and pneu= matic=20 sqeezer.

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Most complete tool kit

Chris, like the subject of Primer, tools bring out the personal side of the RV-10 list.  Several will tell you that one brand is better over another.  Most like the Beach Boys song "Be true to your school" have not played the field much. The key is the feel, balance and weight in Your Hands.  Speed is indeed a factor in improving quality of production.  You can always regulate down a faster product for slower cutting or deity forbid "Drill an errant rivet".  The inverse is not possible. Trueness of the "chucked bit" is another.  Some chucks tend to wear out more quickly than others. Many builders love  the keyless chuck.  Noise of the pneumatics and consistent speed under load are two metrics to measure your options against.  Pilots tend to go deaf from flying without noise cancelling headsets.  Builders do it from their pneumatic tools.  Be sure and get protection that you enjoy wearing.  

I have two Sioux palm reversibles and love them.  I found the Dotco with ergonomic grip to be even more comfortable.  I cannot stand the miniature (hard to find) special size key necessary to change items in the Sioux chuck.  I would love to have a keyless chuck in just one of mine but there are tradeoffs when trying to back out a stuck bit that is turning in the chuck.   The reason I have two small drives (five in total) is the convenience of have PRE set up a 0.030 bit, another with the 0.040, another with a micro cage for countersinking and another for scotchbrite disks on an arbor.  Many of the micro cages will have a bushing rather than a bearing and begin migrating at the end of the build as your QC level becomes more demanding.  And yes, I use both reamers and Cogswell Deburr tools.  

Some of us follow the path of Tiger Woods in life, I have a fetish for tools.  A quality tool in the hand of a craftsman, properly applied can be a thing of beauty.  For shops to die for, visit the archive of Bob Newman's - TCW workshop.  Pictures can be far more eloquent.  

No one has yet mentioned a 90 or 45 degree drill for those tight spots using 1/4" x 28 threaded bits.  I even have a "East Indian" manufactured pancake drill for hard to reach areas with only 1" of headroom.  60% of my stuff has come from Ebay.  About 10% gets re-sold so Caveat Emptor.  

Many are building quality products with the most basic of builder tools.  A majority of builders learn about the tool options later in the build rather than in the beginning. Few of them have been willing to sell anything after completion of their kit. Others are fortunate enough to have access to the DRDT2 dimpler or share it around with friends.  That will be the hardest tool to sneak past my wife in her random tours of the hangar.  Visit Tim Olson's site on how to engage your partner in the build and its rewards.  

Enjoy the journey and consider engaging one or several EAA Tech Advisors (near you) to share with you the roads less traveled or infrequently repaved by builder mistakes.  Visit http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html .  Feel at ease contacting builders Offline - Anytime.  

John Cox  

Aurora, OR    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Colohan

 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:55 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Most complete tool kit  

While I've got the experts on the line...    

I'm currently trying to acquire used tools (aka, on the cheap) to start building an RV-10.  I've been looking at ebay for drills, and realize I don't quite know what I need.  

In particular, when I read articles on building, I've seen multiple references (including the Sioux web site) which say you need >5000rpm in a drill for working with aluminum.  But such a drill doesn't seem to exist, and the drills that come with RV-10 tool kits tend to be around 2000rpm.  

If I just buy one of the (many) older Sioux drills on ebay, am I likely to be happy?  Or do these things tend to wear out or break in funny ways when they get older?  

Chris    

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)> wrote:      

I looked at putting a keyless chuck on my Sioux, but in the end I never really felt that it was a big enough deal to actually do it. I think if one is frugal, like me, it certainly is worth just trying everything as is and upgrading those things that one really needs (or wants) no different than the kit itself, some items really "need" to be replaced/upgraded and many don't, others are fine as it is even though some have upgraded. My examples would focus around the landing gear; axle, extension, wheel, etc.  

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 > I have the red one and not sure the teasing capability is very good, so 

 > the Chicago sounds great.  Keyless chuck?  Can't imagine being without it.

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 >> IMHO, your best deal on a drill is from Avery. The Chicago Pneumatic 

 >> is compact, light, and  has a very nice touch teasing trigger, for 

 >> $125, or $155 with reversing. Sure a keyless chuck is nice, but is it 

 >> worth an extra $70? Maybe Avery would make a deal combining the two.

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