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luis(at)cristabelle.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:40 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

I'm piecing together a set of tools.   What do you all think of this setup?



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HCRV6(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

Louis, 

  

Do yourself a huge favor and purchase a good quality drill with a teasing trigger from Avery or Cleveland Tool if you are serious about building an RV.  You will regret the money you spend on cut rate tools.



Harry Crosby

RV-6 N16CX, 650 hours



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mdredmond(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

Louis,

  

 That set is already up to $139.  For not a lot more you could pick up a nice Sioux drill from Avery, Cleaveland or Brown (I think I paid $185 for mine [Brown Tool]).

  

 Then go to Pan American Tool and get the bits, stops and countersink cage if you're looking for the best prices (same quality - everyone else resells Pan American's stuff).

  

 If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland can be beat.  I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it cheaper elsewhere.  There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks in business.

   

  

 



 

 On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM, <luis(at)cristabelle.net (luis(at)cristabelle.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: luis(at)cristabelle.net (luis(at)cristabelle.net)

 

I'm piecing together a set of tools.   What do you all think of this setup?



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pbesing(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

I'd pass.  Get a numbered drill bit set from cleveland.  You will need all the bits you can get, and you will need many numbered bits besides #30 and #40.  The good set is not cheap, about $200, but if you always put them back they will last you forever.  Then get packages of #30's and #40's.  You will need long bits of those as well.  Plus the drill and all of those bits, countersink cage, etc is too cheap (yes, there is such a thing)  You do more drilling than anything else on the airplane.  Don't skimp on the drill or bits.  



Also, FWIW, I did not use the drill stops after I got used to drilling.  Too time consuming and a pain to change when you are burning through bits.  If you are in a tight spot and are worried about hitting  something, then change to a bit with the drill stop.  



Paul Besing

From: "luis(at)cristabelle.net" <luis(at)cristabelle.net>

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Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:19:42 PM

Subject: Gathering Tools



  



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bell

Joined: 26 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

I went through the plans and ordered several of all the bit sizes called for…there really aren’t all that many sizes that you really need…you will need many 30s and 40s.also the 12 inch 30 and 40 are very handy…12 is common as is 19.  There are several others that I cant recall right offhand. I would also invest in a good 90 degree adaptor that uses the threaded bits..The avery bits are very good…  

   

Remember, each and every 3/32 rivet hole has to be  sized with a 40 and every 1/8 with a 30…that is a lot of holes..Also a drill bit size guide is invaluable…it is impossible to tell the smaller bits apart without one…  

       

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I'd pass.  Get a numbered drill bit set from cleveland.  You will need all the bits you can get, and you will need many numbered bits besides #30 and #40.  The good set is not cheap, about $200, but if you always put them back they will last you forever.  Then get packages of #30's and #40's.  You will need long bits of those as well.  Plus the drill and all of those bits, countersink cage, etc is too cheap (yes, there is such a thing)  You do more drilling than anything else on the airplane.  Don't skimp on the drill or bits.  

 

 Also, FWIW, I did not use the drill stops after I got used to drilling.  Too time consuming and a pain to change when you are burning through bits.  If you are in a tight spot and are worried about hitting something, then change to a bit with the drill stop.  

 

 Paul Besing  

    

         

  

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luis(at)cristabelle.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

I'm gonna bite the bullet and just get the Planetools.com kit.  Too much of a PIA to get all the stuff right by piecing together a set.  Thanks all for setting my head straight.  



Luis.



On Jan 5, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Paul Besing wrote:

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		  I'd pass.  Get a numbered drill bit set from cleveland.  You will need all the bits you can get, and you will need many numbered bits besides #30 and #40.  The good set is not cheap, about $200, but if you always put them back they will last you forever.  Then get packages of #30's and #40's.  You will need long bits of those as well.  Plus the drill and all of those bits, countersink cage, etc is too cheap (yes, there is such a thing)  You do more drilling than anything else on the airplane.  Don't skimp on the drill or bits.  



Also, FWIW, I did not use the drill stops after I got used to drilling.  Too time consuming and a pain to change when you are burning through bits.  If you are in a tight spot and are worried about hitting something, then change to a bit with the drill stop.  



Paul Besing

From: "luis(at)cristabelle.net (luis(at)cristabelle.net)" <luis(at)cristabelle.net (luis(at)cristabelle.net)>

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Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:19:42 PM

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acepilot(at)bloomer.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

Amen, bro!  I support Avery exclusively.  I have no doubt Cleaveland is 

just as good.  I just started with Avery, had great customer service and 

stuck with them!  



Matt Redmond wrote:

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 If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland 

 can be beat.  I usually spend a little more with these two even if I 

 can get it cheaper elsewhere.  There's a lot to be said for keeping 

 these nice folks in business.

  

  

  


	


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Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4

Gotta Fly or Gonna Die

mdredmond(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

My first experience with Avery was after I bought a pneumatic squeezer on eBay.  It worked well enough but I wanted an adjustable set holder on it.  Ordered one from Avery and it didn't fit my (early model) squeezer.  So I drove down to T67 (20 mi from me) and Bob spent about a half an hour getting me fixed up.  Then he and I did some dimpling and riveting because I'd never done it before.  Great guy - great family.

   

 I've also had excellent and friendly service from Cleaveland.  As an example, when I was afraid some Cleaveland dimple dies made substandard dimples (turned out that was NOT the case), DJ mentioned replacing my elevator skin if it turned out to be the dies.

   

 I can't speak for PlaneTools but they might be fine too.  I know Avery and Cleaveland are.

  

  

 



 

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net (acepilot(at)bloomer.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net (acepilot(at)bloomer.net)>

 

Amen, bro!  I support Avery exclusively.  I have no doubt Cleaveland is just as good.  I just started with Avery, had great customer service and stuck with them!    



Matt Redmond wrote:

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 If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland can be beat.  I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it cheaper elsewhere.  There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks in business.

   



 

	




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mdredmond(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

Make that stabilizer skin, not elevator skin.  Significantly more expensive part.

 



 

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Matt Redmond <mdredmond(at)gmail.com (mdredmond(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote] My first experience with Avery was after I bought a pneumatic squeezer on eBay.  It worked well enough but I wanted an adjustable set holder on it.  Ordered one from Avery and it didn't fit my (early model) squeezer.  So I drove down to T67 (20 mi from me) and Bob spent about a half an hour getting me fixed up.  Then he and I did some dimpling and riveting because I'd never done it before.  Great guy - great family.

   

 I've also had excellent and friendly service from Cleaveland.  As an example, when I was afraid some Cleaveland dimple dies made substandard dimples (turned out that was NOT the case), DJ mentioned replacing my elevator skin if it turned out to be the dies.

   

 I can't speak for PlaneTools but they might be fine too.  I know Avery and Cleaveland are.

  

   

  

 



 

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net (acepilot(at)bloomer.net)> wrote:

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		  --> RV-List message posted by: Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net (acepilot(at)bloomer.net)>

 

Amen, bro!  I support Avery exclusively.  I have no doubt Cleaveland is just as good.  I just started with Avery, had great customer service and stuck with them!    



Matt Redmond wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  

 If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland can be beat.  I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it cheaper elsewhere.  There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks in business.

   



 

	




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Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4

Gotta Fly or Gonna Die   

 cription,

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ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

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		   What do you all think of this setup?

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941


	


Yuck.



You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The Harbor Freight-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items, but for your main tools, get quality stuff.  Think about it, your airplane build final cost is anywhere from $30K to $80K including kit, engine, accessories, and instruments + avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap tools?



I have an Excel worksheet, now a couple years old, of recommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known building trainers.  I won't post it publically because the list started with them (I put it into Excel), but will email to those interested. The prices and links are now somewhat old but the items still relevant.



Ralph Finch

Davis, California

RV-9A QB-SA

 



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luis(at)cristabelle.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

I'm leaning toward the Cleavland Tool Kit.  I'll add:extra scotch brite pads/wheels

extra 150 clecos

quick change yoke pins

thin nose yoke



On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Matt Redmond wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Make that stabilizer skin, not elevator skin.  Significantly more expensive part.

 



 

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Matt Redmond <mdredmond(at)gmail.com (mdredmond(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		   My first experience with Avery was after I bought a pneumatic squeezer on eBay.  It worked well enough but I wanted an adjustable set holder on it.  Ordered one from Avery and it didn't fit my (early model) squeezer.  So I drove down to T67 (20 mi from me) and Bob spent about a half an hour getting me fixed up.  Then he and I did some dimpling and riveting because I'd never done it before.  Great guy - great family.

  

 I've also had excellent and friendly service from Cleaveland.  As an example, when I was afraid some Cleaveland dimple dies made substandard dimples (turned out that was NOT the case), DJ mentioned replacing my elevator skin if it turned out to be the dies.

  

 I can't speak for PlaneTools but they might be fine too.  I know Avery and Cleaveland are.

  

   

  

 



 

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net (acepilot(at)bloomer.net)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV-List message posted by: Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net (acepilot(at)bloomer.net)>

 

Amen, bro!  I support Avery exclusively.  I have no doubt Cleaveland is just as good.  I just started with Avery, had great customer service and stuck with them!   



Matt Redmond wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  

 If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland can be beat.  I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it cheaper elsewhere.  There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks in business.

   



 

	




-- 

Scott

http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/

Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4

Gotta Fly or Gonna Die  

 cription,

 www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List

 ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com

 Matt Dralle, List Admin.

 =====





	






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marty_away(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars C all the posts I've read stated the same thing about buying quaility tools.  

  

 The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good C fast C electic drill (spinning 1700 or better).

 Yes C they are bigger C bulkier C and heavy than an air drill; but you don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge.  I got that Blazing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this forum C where the author quoted C 'and I never looked back.' and I agree.  



 Four other tips:

 - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason)

 - Good quality dimple dies; else you'll buy many lower cost ones

 - TALCO squeezer and accesories; It's worth its 'lack of weight' for the gold you spend on it.

-  90 degree threaded drill set as already mentioned--very pricey for what they are; but very C  very helpful.

      

 FWIW

  

 Marty

 RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling)

  

  

  

 

 





 

[quote] From: ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Gathering Tools

 Date: Tue C 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800

 

 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph & Maria Finch" <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>

 

 > What do you all think of this setup?

 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941

 

 Yuck.

 

 You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The Harbor Freight-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items C but for your main tools C get quality stuff. Think about it C your airplane build final cost is anywhere from $30K to $80K including kit C engine C accessories C and instruments + avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap tools?

 

 I have an Excel worksheet C now a couple years old C of recommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known building trainers. I won't post it publically because the list started with them (I put it into Excel) C but will email to those interested. The prices and links are now somewhat old but the items still relevant.

 

 Ralph Finch

 Davis C California

 RV-9A QB-SA

 

 

 

 

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bell

Joined: 26 Aug 2009
Posts: 17

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No noise nor chuck key to keep up with either. 

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom:  Marty Helller <marty_away(at)hotmail.com> 

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:12:34 +0000

To: <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools

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sreynard

Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 13
Location: Santa Rosa, CA

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:35 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

Besides, you need something to mix your two part epoxy primer.  



A good plug-in model is also good.  The wait for the battery to

recharge can really slow ya down.  I need to get a new battery. . . .



The only time you have too many quality tools is when you don't have

enough room left to use them.  :0



Steve Reynard

RV-7A Wings

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Marty Helller <marty_away(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars, all the posts I've read

 stated the same thing about buying quaility tools.



 The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good, fast, electic

 drill (spinning 1700 or better).

 Yes, they are bigger, bulkier, and heavy than an air drill; but you don't

 need to wait for the compressor to re-charge.  I got that Blazing Flash of

 the Obvious (BFO) tip from this forum, where the author quoted, 'and I never

 looked back.' and I agree.



. . .

yenduc(at)me.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:11 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great).  One more tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was available at Costco for about $17) to help  in putting in all of the screws in the cover plates and floor boards.  I agree that either Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value.



dave

RV 7A (135 hours)



On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell(at)cablelynx.com (glennbell(at)cablelynx.com) wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No noise nor chuck key to keep up with either.



Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Marty Helller <marty_away(at)hotmail.com (marty_away(at)hotmail.com)>

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:12:34 +0000

To: <rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: RE: Gathering Tools

Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts I've read = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B 

 =3B

The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C fast=2C elect= ic drill (spinning 1700 or better).

Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I got that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this =3Bforum=2C where the aut= hor quoted=2C 'and I never looked back.' and I agree. =3B 



Four =3Bother tips:

- Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason)

- Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones

- =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight' f= or the gold you spend on it.

- =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very pricey for what they are=3B but very=2C =3B very= helpful.

 =3B

FWIW

 =3B

Marty

RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling)

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		  =3B From: ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com (ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com)

=3B To: rv-list(at)matronics.= com

=3B Subject: RE: Gathering Tools

=3B Date: Tue=2C = 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800

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=3B -->=3B RV-List message pos= ted by: "Ralph &=3B Maria Finch" <=3Bralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com ([email]=3Bralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com[/email])>=3B>=3B 

=3B >=3B What do you all think of this setup?

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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:46 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

There are times a corded electric drill comes in handy. Just be careful dragging that cord across sharp aluminum edges.  

     

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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Cudney

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Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great).  One more tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was available at Costco for about $17) to help  in putting in all of the screws in the cover plates and floor boards.  I agree that either Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value.    

   

    

dave  

    

RV 7A (135 hours)  

    

       

On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell(at)cablelynx.com (glennbell(at)cablelynx.com) wrote:  

  



 

     

I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No noise nor chuck key to keep up with either.  

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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

Way, Way back when I was starting to build my 8A I remember reading that one

of the reasons for using an air-powered drill when working with aluminum

sheet was to avoid electrocuting yourself when the edge of a sheet cut

through the cord of your electric drill. That was before battery powered

drills. The other reason was to get the high speed that was appropriate for

drilling the aluminum sheet. I suppose a GFI (ground fault interrupter?)

circuit or the modern-day equivalent might solve the first problem. 



Terry



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swayze(at)europa.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: Gathering Tools

I looked at this package on eBay. You will want a drill that has an 

old-fashioned adjustable chuck. Those drill bits with the hex ends 

that fit in the quick change drill will be expensive to replace. I 

agree with the previous posts about getting quality tools. That said, 

however, I saved a lot of money on a number of tools that you have to 

have but don't use that often by buying used or looking on eBay. For 

example, I picked up a right-angle drill for about $50 that I know 

would have cost me several hundred if I bought it new. It's an 

awesome tool and it works great. You have to have one of these 

eventually, but you don't need a brand new one. It's not used that 

often. There are other examples as well.



I have had extremely good service and can't say enough about my 

experiences with Avery Tools, Cleveland, PlaneTools, and some others as well.



At 06:19 PM 1/4/2010, you wrote:

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I'm piecing together a set of tools.   What do you all think of this setup?



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bobbyhester(at)newwavecom
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

Here is a good drill that I bought and it's on sale right now!

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 David Cudney wrote: [quote]Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great).  One more tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was available at Costco for about $17) to help  in putting in all of the screws in the cover plates and floor boards.  I agree that either Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value.   

   

   dave

   RV 7A (135 hours)

   

      On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell(at)cablelynx.com (glennbell(at)cablelynx.com) wrote:

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		       I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No noise nor chuck key to keep up with either.

     

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 Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars C all the posts I've read = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B 

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 Yes C they are bigger C bulkier C and heavy than an air drill=3B but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I got that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this =3Bforum C where the aut= hor quoted C 'and I never looked back.' and I agree. =3B 

     

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 - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason)

 - Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones

 - =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight' f= or the gold you spend on it.

 - =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very pricey for what they are=3B but very C =3B very= helpful.

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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: Gathering Tools

With twenty years of sheet metal experience. i have bought every tool in the book. used counter sink cages are a decent deal off ebay along with 90 degree drills at worse they will need bearings. Get a pneumatic squeeze you are going to want one. with a quick trip to the welder you can modify the dimpling frame to accept the squeeze.



About drills, a good pneumatic 3/8 chuck high speed is what you want. and a electric 1/2 slow speed



die grinders, these are harbor freight items. just include an in-line oilier and they will live long beyond this project.



clecos you can never have too many.



A good setup shop/ with easy access will save you years off the build time.



insulate your compressor/ you and your neighbors will appreciate it.



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