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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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 Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
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From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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msausen
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:image001.jpg(at)01CA95D4.11672C20[/img]
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From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:850493118(at)15012010-175F[/img]
[img]cid:850493118(at)15012010-1766[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:image001.jpg(at)01CA95E2.12005680[/img]
[img]cid:image002.jpg(at)01CA95E2.12005680[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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kearney
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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Hmmm
What was the response....
Inquiring minds need to know.
..Les
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: January-15-10 11:35 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:062195918(at)15012010-2669[/img]
[img]cid:062195918(at)15012010-2670[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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And the response was? [img]cid:3CC5A878859344AC9CB9AF9BA144171C(at)dell[/img]
From: DLM (dlm46007(at)cox.net)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:34 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:B8C2432B9D6C4C98AC349FADE1A9261A(at)dell[/img]
[img]cid:2D1DCD7B9C7A4BF0BA46582DD9F9894D(at)dell[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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rleffler
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: 10 SB |
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David,
It appears that Scott took your advice. They were just posted on vansairforce.net
http://www.vansairforce.net/delete_eventually/Section45A.pdf
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:image001.jpg(at)01CA95F0.AF2222A0[/img]
[img]cid:image002.jpg(at)01CA95F0.AF2222A0[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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The time of compliance is determined by the builder. SBs in the USA for experimental aircraft are advisory only ; even certified aircraft are required to comply with SBs only if used commercially. Neither Vans nor the FAA have authority to require compliance prior to further flight. These are not ADs; ADs apply to certified aircraft.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:081064219(at)15012010-1845[/img]
[img]cid:081064219(at)15012010-184C[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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Kelly McMullen
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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There is a major disagreement between EAA and FAA. FAA says ADs apply to all
aircraft/components they are issued for. If AD comes out on a Lycoming IO540
crankshaft, piston pin plugs, etc. it does apply to any aircraft that has
the exact engine called out, whether experimental or not, according to FAA.
Of course EAA disputes that, but we know FAA writes, interprets, enforces
and is judge jury and executioner. NTSB is a rubber stamp for the most part
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:32 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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agreed: if the data plate still indicates a certified Lycoming as mine does. Certified parts to remain certified must comply with ADs.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:30 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 10 SB
There is a major disagreement between EAA and FAA. FAA says ADs apply to all aircraft/components they are issued for. If AD comes out on a Lycoming IO540 crankshaft, piston pin plugs, etc. it does apply to any aircraft that has the exact engine called out, whether experimental or not, according to FAA. Of course EAA disputes that, but we know FAA writes, interprets, enforces and is judge jury and executioner. NTSB is a rubber stamp for the most part. Not disagreeing with your comments about Service Bulletins, just pointing out that there are many opinions on applicability of ADs.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | The time of compliance is determined by the builder. SBs in the USA for experimental aircraft are advisory only ; even certified aircraft are required to comply with SBs only if used commercially. Neither Vans nor the FAA have authority to require compliance prior to further flight. These are not ADs; ADs apply to certified aircraft.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:992472921(at)15012010-29AD[/img]
[img]cid:992472921(at)15012010-29B4[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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My engine is experimental, simply because I have Eci cylinders. Eci cylinders have a revised FAA AD on them which leads me to believe regardless of if it's certified or not I think one is still required to make the changes per the AD.
P
From: DLM (dlm46007(at)cox.net)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
agreed: if the data plate still indicates a certified Lycoming as mine does. Certified parts to remain certified must comply with ADs.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:30 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 10 SB
There is a major disagreement between EAA and FAA. FAA says ADs apply to all aircraft/components they are issued for. If AD comes out on a Lycoming IO540 crankshaft, piston pin plugs, etc. it does apply to any aircraft that has the exact engine called out, whether experimental or not, according to FAA. Of course EAA disputes that, but we know FAA writes, interprets, enforces and is judge jury and executioner. NTSB is a rubber stamp for the most part. Not disagreeing with your comments about Service Bulletins, just pointing out that there are many opinions on applicability of ADs.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | The time of compliance is determined by the builder. SBs in the USA for experimental aircraft are advisory only ; even certified aircraft are required to comply with SBs only if used commercially. Neither Vans nor the FAA have authority to require compliance prior to further flight. These are not ADs; ADs apply to certified aircraft.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:21D7A858DF274D90A69958F6AF29C357(at)dell[/img]
[img]cid:5A10672FDB9F4B0DA60A4ADDA6DE00CF(at)dell[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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what does the data plate on your engine say?
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:24 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 10 SB
My engine is experimental, simply because I have Eci cylinders. Eci cylinders have a revised FAA AD on them which leads me to believe regardless of if it's certified or not I think one is still required to make the changes per the AD.
P
From: DLM (dlm46007(at)cox.net)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
agreed: if the data plate still indicates a certified Lycoming as mine does. Certified parts to remain certified must comply with ADs.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:30 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 10 SB
There is a major disagreement between EAA and FAA. FAA says ADs apply to all aircraft/components they are issued for. If AD comes out on a Lycoming IO540 crankshaft, piston pin plugs, etc. it does apply to any aircraft that has the exact engine called out, whether experimental or not, according to FAA. Of course EAA disputes that, but we know FAA writes, interprets, enforces and is judge jury and executioner. NTSB is a rubber stamp for the most part. Not disagreeing with your comments about Service Bulletins, just pointing out that there are many opinions on applicability of ADs.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | The time of compliance is determined by the builder. SBs in the USA for experimental aircraft are advisory only ; even certified aircraft are required to comply with SBs only if used commercially. Neither Vans nor the FAA have authority to require compliance prior to further flight. These are not ADs; ADs apply to certified aircraft.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:065345000(at)16012010-29BB[/img]
[img]cid:065345000(at)16012010-29C2[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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Kelly McMullen
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It does not matter. The AD is against the ECI cylinders installed on an aircraft. Just as Lycoming has no say in the AD, nor does Cessna or Piper.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:50 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | what does the data plate on your engine say?
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:24 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 10 SB
My engine is experimental, simply because I have Eci cylinders. Eci cylinders have a revised FAA AD on them which leads me to believe regardless of if it's certified or not I think one is still required to make the changes per the AD.
P
From: DLM (dlm46007(at)cox.net)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
agreed: if the data plate still indicates a certified Lycoming as mine does. Certified parts to remain certified must comply with ADs.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:30 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 10 SB
There is a major disagreement between EAA and FAA. FAA says ADs apply to all aircraft/components they are issued for. If AD comes out on a Lycoming IO540 crankshaft, piston pin plugs, etc. it does apply to any aircraft that has the exact engine called out, whether experimental or not, according to FAA. Of course EAA disputes that, but we know FAA writes, interprets, enforces and is judge jury and executioner. NTSB is a rubber stamp for the most part. Not disagreeing with your comments about Service Bulletins, just pointing out that there are many opinions on applicability of ADs.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | The time of compliance is determined by the builder. SBs in the USA for experimental aircraft are advisory only ; even certified aircraft are required to comply with SBs only if used commercially. Neither Vans nor the FAA have authority to require compliance prior to further flight. These are not ADs; ADs apply to certified aircraft.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
[img]cid:065345000(at)16012010-29BB[/img]
[img]cid:065345000(at)16012010-29C2[/img]
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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depends on whether there is an identification on the ECI cylinders. I would tend to consider engine ADs more seriously but the identification is key and who is going to identify the parts except the person holding a repairman certificate or an A&P/IA? If there is no ID, the parts cannot be determined as certified.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:14 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 10 SB
It does not matter. The AD is against the ECI cylinders installed on an aircraft. Just as Lycoming has no say in the AD, nor does Cessna or Piper.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:50 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | what does the data plate on your engine say?
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:24 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 10 SB
My engine is experimental, simply because I have Eci cylinders. Eci cylinders have a revised FAA AD on them which leads me to believe regardless of if it's certified or not I think one is still required to make the changes per the AD.
P
From: DLM (dlm46007(at)cox.net)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 10 SB
agreed: if the data plate still indicates a certified Lycoming as mine does. Certified parts to remain certified must comply with ADs.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:30 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 10 SB
There is a major disagreement between EAA and FAA. FAA says ADs apply to all aircraft/components they are issued for. If AD comes out on a Lycoming IO540 crankshaft, piston pin plugs, etc. it does apply to any aircraft that has the exact engine called out, whether experimental or not, according to FAA. Of course EAA disputes that, but we know FAA writes, interprets, enforces and is judge jury and executioner. NTSB is a rubber stamp for the most part. Not disagreeing with your comments about Service Bulletins, just pointing out that there are many opinions on applicability of ADs.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | The time of compliance is determined by the builder. SBs in the USA for experimental aircraft are advisory only ; even certified aircraft are required to comply with SBs only if used commercially. Neither Vans nor the FAA have authority to require compliance prior to further flight. These are not ADs; ADs apply to certified aircraft.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 10 SB
I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
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From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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The big ECI on the valve cover is a big clue. I wouldn't be surprised to see
a part number on them as well.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:57 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:
[quote] depends on whether there is an identification on the ECI cylinders. I
would tend to consider engine ADs more seriously but the identification is
key and who is going to identify the parts except the person holding a
repairman certificate or an A&P/IA? If there is no ID, the parts cannot be
determined as certified.
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen
*Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2010 7:14 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: 10 SB
It does not matter. The AD is against the ECI cylinders installed on an
aircraft. Just as Lycoming has no say in the AD, nor does Cessna or Piper
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johngoodman
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: 10 SB |
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Haven't any of you folks thought about hitting the "Post Reply" button instead of "Quote?" We don't need to see the same stuff over and over again. Sorry for the rant....
John
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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Mailing list only members enjoy the quoted portion. Each his own.
Also, thought of adding do not archive to the bottom so it does not get
archived?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Haven't any of you folks thought about hitting the "Post Reply" button instead of "Quote?" We don't need to see the same stuff over and over again. Sorry for the rant....
John
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: 10 SB |
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If Ron will confirm his address "Down Under" and permission to post here(his SB 10-1-4 kit), I picked it up today before VANS closed for the weekend and it is ready for an immediate FEDEX transmittal to Oz - post haste. A Fedex 757 is on our PDX ramp next door to my airline and ready for a flight to MEM and points beyond such as Melbourne. We could all use a quick sharing of information on the three bags and revised 45A plans "with his permission". I could even convert the document to PDF??? I would like to confirm that his address on file is still the most correct for a speedy shipment.
John Cox
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I wouldn’t think that posting SB on a website wouldn’t stand-up in court as official notification. Meaning the clock hasn’t started for compliance.
But once you get a physical copy of the SB in the mail, with the revised plans, with the appropriate materials; that’s a different story.
The smart ones are probably those who aren’t replying to the thread. J Cause they still don’t know about the SB yet……
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I received a positive response to this email to Scott Risan this AM.
"I believe you would eliminate a lot of calls to technical support by publishing the plans changes in PDF form. It would seem that Section 45A will be common knowledge in about two weeks; why not publish as a PDF and eliminate the calls to technical support looking for information. Also the time of compliance is not very realistic; perhaps it should indicate different times for flying and not flying aircraft, given that flying aircraft have already been operating safely via other methods. In my case I am the only pilot; I have lengthened Van's supplied pins to ensure complete engagement of the metal door frames. My checklist calls for a manual feel of the pins when engaged (twice) before takeoff."
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
I think everyone is looking for the diagrams/picture of what the fix is.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 10 SB
David,
If you’re looking for the verbage of the SB, it’s right here.
If you’re looking for the plans revisions, I haven’t seen those yet…
Phil
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From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 10 SB
I talked to Vans this morning about the SB. They referred me to the SB that they say is being mailed this week. I asked if there was a PDF and they indicated not. Perhaps someone on this list , upon receipt of the SB, could send it to the list in PDF form.
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