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gorejr(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Is it possible to add the 15 gallon extra fuel with the quickbuild wing?  I know alot of the fuel system is in place.  Thanks!

Jim Gore RV-10

Griffin GA

LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

How long did you want to sit?

 At full throttle at 2100 RPM and 60 gallons, you can sit for 4 1/2  hours and still have a half hour reserve.

  

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 04/26/2006 4:25:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  gorejr(at)bellsouth.net writes:

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Is it    possible to add the 15 gallon extra fuel with the quickbuild wing?  I    know alot of the fuel system is in place.  Thanks!

Jim Gore    RV-10

Griffin GA

av8or(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Yes, the system is designed to be added to  aircraft already completed if you are talking about the ones in January's 2006  Sport Aviation by SafeAir1.

  

 JT Lenhardt

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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Our FBO here gives home-base pilots a excellent deal on avgas-at one point last year during the last run-up in prices, there was almost $2/gal difference in area gas prices. Bigger tanks would give me greater out and back range without having to refuel.  

Albert Gardner  

Yuma, AZ  

   

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gorejr(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

What kind of speed and fuel burn do you get at these settings?  Thanks  Jim Gore

 	  Quote: 	

 From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com

 Date: 2006/04/26 Wed PM 09:17:48 EDT

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Extra fuel tanks

 How long did you want to sit?

 At full throttle at 2100 RPM and 60 gallons, you can sit for 4 1/2  hours and 

 still have a half hour reserve.

 Jim Ayers

 In a message dated 04/26/2006 4:25:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  

 gorejr(at)bellsouth.net writes:

 Is it  possible to add the 15 gallon extra fuel with the quickbuild wing?  I  

 know alot of the fuel system is in place.  Thanks!

 Jim Gore  RV-10

 Griffin GA

LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Hi Jim,

  

 Just differential numbers for now, since my customers RV-10 doesn't have  all of the fairing on and it isn't painted yet.

  

 This numbers were obtained at 8,000' density altitude at full  throttle.

  

 2500 RPM  20 gph

 2300 RPM  15 gph  +1 knot faster than 2500 RPM

 2100 RPM  12 gph  -6 knots slower than 2500 RPM

  

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 04/27/2006 6:15:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  gorejr(at)bellsouth.net writes:

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What kind of    speed and fuel burn do you get at these settings?  Thanks  Jim    Gore

johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Jim, lets here the airspeed and MP at 8,000 DA, 2500 RPM, 20 gph, 3 blade MT and a Lyco at 260hp.  My version was missing your answer to Jim Gore’s request for SPEED data.  

   

John Cox  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd(at)aol.com

 Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:55 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Extra fuel tanks  

  

       

Hi Jim,  

    

   

    

Just differential numbers for now, since my customers RV-10 doesn't have all of the fairing on and it isn't painted yet.  

    

   

    

This numbers were obtained at 8,000' density altitude at full throttle.  

    

   

    

2500 RPM  20 gph  

    

2300 RPM  15 gph  +1 knot faster than 2500 RPM  

    

2100 RPM  12 gph  -6 knots slower than 2500 RPM  

    

   

    

Regards,  

    

Jim Ayers  

    

   

    

In a message dated 04/27/2006 6:15:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gorejr(at)bellsouth.net writes:  

   	  Quote: 	
		    

--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr(at)bellsouth.net>

 

 What kind of speed and fuel burn do you get at these settings?  Thanks  Jim Gore

LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Hi John,

  

 The manifold pressure was 23".

  

 Regarding airspeed.

  

 IMHO, the ONLY way to get VALID comparison airspeed numbers between  propellers is to fly them on the same aircraft and engine WITH NO  OTHER CHANGES MADE.

  

 I have offered to pay the expenses and provide the 3 blade MT Propeller for  a Hartzell propeller equipped RV-10 to do the testing.  I think it says a  GREAT deal that there have been NO TAKERS from RV-10's with the  RV-10 Hartzell propeller.

  

 What are you Hartzell drivers?  CHICKEN?

  

 With Best Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 PS Was that gauntlet to subtle?

  

 In a message dated 04/27/2006 9:22:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		     

Jim, lets here the    airspeed and MP at 8,000 DA, 2500 RPM, 20 gph, 3 blade MT and a Lyco at    260hp.  My version was missing your answer to Jim Goreâ€™s request for    SPEED data.   

John    Cox

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

I think it says a GREAT DEAL too.  Things like:



* Being happy with their prop

* Content to leave things as-is due to satisfaction

* Unwillingness to remove some nicely saftied critical prop bolts

	for no reason.

* Waning interest in spending more money



I know people would love to see the numbers on an MT, but it would

take more than an offer of "allowing" me to fly one for free

and go through the pain in the butt to pull those bolts and

put on the new prop.  My feeling is, when something is buttoned

up nicely, you don't increase reliability by pulling it apart

a couple more times.  In addition, there are still some minor

things I'd like to complete, and once you're flying already,

it seems that most everything drops to the bottom of your

priority list.



But, hopefully someone will bite, as it would be nice to see

the numbers.



Maybe it should go the other way....offer a Hartzell to someone

flying an MT.  It's a cheaper prop to ship, and to buy to

send them.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi John,

  

 The manifold pressure was 23".

  

 Regarding airspeed.

  

 IMHO, the ONLY way to get VALID comparison airspeed numbers between 

 propellers is to fly them on the same aircraft and engine WITH NO 

 OTHER CHANGES MADE.

  

 I have offered to pay the expenses and provide the 3 blade MT Propeller 

 for a Hartzell propeller equipped RV-10 to do the testing.  I think it 

 says a GREAT deal that there have been NO TAKERS from RV-10's with the 

 RV-10 Hartzell propeller.

  

 What are you Hartzell drivers?  CHICKEN?

  

 With Best Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 PS Was that gauntlet to subtle?

  

 In a message dated 04/27/2006 9:22:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 

 johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:

 

     Jim, lets here the airspeed and MP at 8,000 DA, 2500 RPM, 20 gph, 3

     blade MT and a Lyco at 260hp.  My version was missing your answer to

     Jim Goreâ€™s request for SPEED data.

 

     John Cox

johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

The question remains… What was the airspeed in knots. I’m not engaging in the banter about valid airspeed.  Just your number Please!   The rest of the dialog is well known to the group about identical aircraft, identical engines, identical power settings.  Am I the only one that has notices dozens of flying RV-10s and everyone is hiding their personal performance numbers?  

   

About the only positive response has been on empty weight.  No one is identifying their change in CG from the factory spec.  There are lots of question on component placement that would help builders if there was less secrecy.  At least Tim mentioned he did not have the loading problem as quoted by VANS.  We should all be able to ask, “And what did he do to solve that obstacle?”  

   

What is it about you MT prop twirlers that keeps data so close to the vest.  I can’t make out your whisper, could you shout it once again please… Airspeed that is.  I got the chicken part. Today is Friday and it smells fishy.  

   

John - $-00.02  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd(at)aol.com

 Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:09 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Extra fuel tanks  

  

       

Hi John,  

    

   

    

The manifold pressure was 23".  

    

   

    

Regarding airspeed.  

    

   

    

IMHO, the ONLY way to get VALID comparison airspeed numbers between propellers is to fly them on the same aircraft and engine WITH NO OTHER CHANGES MADE.  

    

   

    

I have offered to pay the expenses and provide the 3 blade MT Propeller for a Hartzell propeller equipped RV-10 to do the testing.  I think it says a GREAT deal that there have been NO TAKERS from RV-10's with the RV-10 Hartzell propeller.  

    

   

    

What are you Hartzell drivers?  CHICKEN?  

    

   

    

With Best Regards,  

    

Jim Ayers  

    

PS Was that gauntlet to subtle?  

    

   

    

In a message dated 04/27/2006 9:22:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:  

   	  Quote: 	
		    

Jim, lets here the airspeed and MP at 8,000 DA, 2500 RPM, 20 gph, 3 blade MT and a Lyco at 260hp.  My version was missing your answer to Jim Gore’s request for SPEED data.  

John Cox

johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Touche' and an excellent solution to the challenge.  My heart was in

hearing you pick up the gauntlet though.  I suspect Hartzell sees little

advantage with 96% of the RV-10 market.



John



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LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Hi Tim,

  

 A little oops here.

  

 The Hartzell RV-10 propeller is unique to the RV-10.  And only an  RV-10 builder can buy one.

  

 Best Regards,

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 04/28/2006 8:39:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>



(Stuff    Cut)

Maybe it should go the other way....offer a Hartzell to    someone

flying an MT.  It's a cheaper prop to ship, and to buy to send    them.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not  archive

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:17 am Post subject: Extra fuel tanks

Rent one from an RV-10 builder who bought one but didn't install

it yet.  Still cheaper than shipping the MT across the country

twice.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Tim,

  

 A little oops here.

  

 The Hartzell RV-10 propeller is unique to the RV-10.  And only an RV-10 

 builder can buy one.

  

 Best Regards,

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 04/28/2006 8:39:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 

 Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:

 

     

 

     (Stuff Cut)

     Maybe it should go the other way....offer a Hartzell to someone

     flying an MT.  It's a cheaper prop to ship, and to buy to send them.

 

 

     Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

     do not archive

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