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david steade

Joined: 26 Dec 2007
Posts: 32

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: Finger Brakes

Hi

  

 I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake  problem now but what has come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and  its suitability for the Europa particularly if silicone based brake  fluid has to be used.

  

 It seems some owners have changed the Jamar  products to modified toe brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid.  

  

 Any information on this subject would be  helpful.

  

  

 Regards

  

 David Steade

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: Finger Brakes

I had endless problems with my Jaymar cylinders, problems bleeding air, sticking pistons etc. and eventually threw them away and replaced them with a pair of Matco ones from the factory.  I used the standard red brake fluid in them and haven’t had any problems since. Would not recommend using the Jaymar based on my experience.   

   

Richard Iddon. G-RIXS  

   

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 Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes  

     

Hi  

    

   

    

I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what has come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its suitability for the Europa particularly if silicone based brake fluid has to be used.  

    

   

    

It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid.   

    

   

    

Any information on this subject would be helpful.  

    

   

    

   

    

Regards  

    

   

    

David Steade  

    

   

  

     

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jimpuglise(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: Finger Brakes

David- 

  

I am in the build stage yet so have not yet selected a fluid.  I hope you disassembled and cleaned the inside of the cylinders and the hole that goes through the middle.  I disasssembled mine and found all sorts of crap in it before cleaning.  There is an allen screw in each side.  Remove them and pass a wire through it.  You should be able to see from one side to the other.   

  

Jim Puglise A-283 



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Jeff(at)rmmm.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: Finger Brakes

Guy's,Unless you want to spend extra money I would do as others have done. Take the Jaymar cylinders completely apart. Get some carb or choke cleaner and a small soft round brush and clean all the crap out of them, put them back together and they'll work fine. It seems there was a bad batch of these. There was a thread on this a few years back, but as soon as I cleaned mine they have been working perfectly ever since. I used a matco emergency brake also with the dot 5 and it works great. The small bleeder screws leaked a bit letting air in the system but a little gasket seal on the threads fixed that. Working great for 3 years now.



 Jeff R.  N128LJ Gold Rush



 

  

On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Richard Iddon wrote:

[quote]I had endless problems with my Jaymar cylinders, problems bleeding air, sticking pistons etc. and eventually threw them away and replaced them with a pair of Matco ones from the factory.  I used the standard red brake fluid in them and haven’t had any problems since. Would not recommend using the Jaymar based on my experience.



 Richard Iddon. G-RIXS



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gholland(at)content-strea
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:50 am Post subject: Finger Brakes

David Hi!

 I fitted the original Matco Foot Brake cylinders to Trigear G-FIZY I built. I fabricated a bracket, ensured there was a removable panel above the bleed screws and it worked well. My only recommendation would be to ensure levers are long enough, probably about 9” but just as important is to ensure knob or handle ends are big enough for a good grip or action. There was a requirement to ensure correct rubber seals were used for different brake fluids. I used the ‘red’ Dot 5....I think! Europa supplied the rubbers. Photos attached. The Brake Levers in photo proved too short (action difficult) so were extended by about 4”.

 Regards

 Gerry

 

 Gerry Holland

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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:54 am Post subject: Finger Brakes

David Hi!

 I fitted the original Matco Foot Brake cylinders to Trigear G-FIZY I built. I fabricated a bracket, ensured there was a removable panel above the bleed screws and it worked well. My only recommendation would be to ensure levers are long enough, probably about 9” but just as important is to ensure knob or handle ends are big enough for a good grip or action. There was a requirement to ensure correct rubber seals were used for different brake fluids. I used the ‘red’ Dot 5....I think! Europa supplied the rubbers. Photos attached. The Brake Levers in photo proved too short (action difficult) so were extended by about 4”.

 Regards

 Gerry

 

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 [url=gholland(at)content-stream.co.uk]gholland(at)content-stream.co.uk[/url]

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: Finger Brakes

Sorry to everyone for receiving an earlier message 3 times!

 The List rejected twice so I resent twice....Doh!

 Again Sorry!

 Gerry

 

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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: Finger Brakes

gerry,

  

  is that a parking brake valve you have there, mounted next to the  cylinders, if so would you mind sharing the source,

 Like  you i used the matco cylinders and the original mounts inverted and mounted in  the tunnel. I then added another bracket

 to  either side to take the throttle and IFA levers.

  

 craig

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duanefamly(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: Finger Brakes

Craig,

    

   Check out AC Spruce.

    

   http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/matcoPBVALVE.php

    

   This has been used by many.

    

   Mike Duane

   Redding, CA

   XS Conventional Gear

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gholland(at)content-strea
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: Finger Brakes

Craig Hi!

 That is a Parking Brake fitted beside the two Brake Levers.

 The idea was to allow one handed ON or Off operation. When the levers were short it worked OK but once they were extended the reach required from one hand didn’t allow it. The Park Brake Unit was a 06-17200-MATCO BRAKE PARKING VALVE-$113.95 from Aircraft Spruce.

 The Hand operated Brakes take a little getting used to initially but after a short time it works out. The brake discs seem to need to be worn in pretty well as well.

 After that you can establish safe taxi speed and use the rudder for many fine adjustments in direction.

 Regards

 Gerry

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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: Finger Brakes

thanks  for that Gerry

  

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