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rparigoris

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

I figured out that I can read temperatures from my Ilec SC-7 variometer for about a buck per sender. Curious what would be the max temperature you would want to allow your Ducati regulator to reach in order to achieve a reasonable service life? At which specific location on the regulator would you want to monitor?

Thx.

Ron Parigoris

kevann(at)gotsky.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:01 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

Mounting the Ducati on the front passenger footwell inside the intake air 

plenum is what I did to keep it cool.



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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

Hi KevinThx. for the reply."Mounting the Ducati on the front passenger footwell inside the intake air plenum is what I did to keep it cool." I have a 914 monowheel with intercooler. No intake plenum. What physical temperature in F or C do you consider cool for the Ducati? What location would that be on the ducati?Thx.Ron Parigoris   [quote][b]

lucien

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

 	  rparigoris wrote: 	
		  I figured out that I can read temperatures from my Ilec SC-7 variometer for about a buck per sender. Curious what would be the max temperature you would want to allow your Ducati regulator to reach in order to achieve a reasonable service life? At which specific location on the regulator would you want to monitor?

Thx.

Ron Parigoris 	




The ducati regulator doesn't have a reasonable service life; it burns up fine at any temperature so the temp probably doesn't matter.



I considered putting a small computer muffin fan on mine but have found it's just easier to keep Lockwood's order line no. handy in my cell phone so I can call them up quick when it burns out.



I'm on my plane's 3rd one now (if my count is right) and don't plan on this being the last one 



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rparigoris

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

Hi KevinThx. for the reply."Mounting the Ducati onthe front passenger footwell inside the intake air plenum is what I did tokeep it cool." I have a 914 monowheel with intercooler. No intakeplenum. What physical temperature in F or C do you consider cool for theDucati? What location would that be on the ducati?Thx.RonParigoris   [quote][b]

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

I too have the 914 with intercooler mounted on top of what I referred to as the intake plenum, where the air filter is fed by a NACA vent in the cowl, all sealed up with baffle material. I have no temp sender in there, but it must be just about the lowest temp location available FWF.



Kevin



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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:16 AM , rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:



 Hi Kevin 



Thx. for the reply. 

"Mounting the Ducati on the front passenger footwell inside the intake air plenum is what I did to keep it cool." I have a 914 monowheel with intercooler. No intake plenum. What physical temperature in F or C do you consider cool for the Ducati? What location would that be on the ducati? 

Thx. 

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

Hi KevinYou by chance have a pic? I have yet to install my intercooler or cowl so having a bit of a hard time figuring location you are referring? or a slight different description?Thx.Ron Parigoris"> I too have the 914 with intercooler mounted on top of what I referred to > as the intake plenum, where the air filter is fed by a NACA vent in the > cowl, all sealed up with baffle material. I have no temp sender in > there, but it must be just about the lowest temp location available FWF."   [quote][b]

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:10 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

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		  Hi Y'all,



Kevin is probably correct about that being the coolest place on a 914 installation.  Might not be a bad place to mount the Ducatti.  Lots of fresh air coming in there.



I find that the Ducatti regulator has the longest longevity when you don't use it.  I installed an alternator on the back of the gearbox and it has a separate voltage regulator powering my main buss.  I have a switch installed that can swap over to the Rotax electrical power just in case my main alternator fails and I need enough power to get to "NRST" airport on the GPS.



Bob Borger



On Wednesday, February 17, 2010, at 09:51AM, "Cori Hayth" <kevann(at)gotsky.com> wrote:

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    I too have the 914 with intercooler mounted on top of what I referred to as the intake plenum, where the air filter is fed by a NACA vent in the cowl, all sealed up with baffle material. I have no temp sender in there, but it must be just about the lowest temp location available FWF. 

  
	


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   On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:16 AM , rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: 

  

    Hi Kevin  

  

   Thx. for the reply.  

  "Mounting the Ducati on the front passenger footwell inside the intake air plenum is what I did to keep it cool." I have a 914 monowheel with intercooler. No intake plenum. What physical temperature in F or C do you consider cool for the Ducati? What location would that be on the ducati?  

  Thx.  

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

I don't have a pic handy, but my intercooler was purchased through Europa FL when John Hurst was there. It came with mounting instructions. You make a cuttout on top of the aluminum sheet that forms the area I am refering to as the" intake plenum", the K&N air filter protrudes into this area fed by the NACA on the port lower cowl. I mounted the Ducati regulator on the front passenger footwell, inside this cold air intake area. The whole thing is sealed up with baffle stuff to the lower cowl and around the air filter too, so air comming through the NACA is forced through the intercooler.



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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:05 AM , rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:



 Hi Kevin 

You by chance have a pic? I have yet to install my intercooler or cowl so having a bit of a hard time figuring location you are referring? or a slight different description? 

Thx. 

Ron Parigoris 



"> I too have the 914 with intercooler mounted on top of what I referred to 

 	  Quote: 	
		   as the intake plenum, where the air filter is fed by a NACA vent in the 

 cowl, all sealed up with baffle material. I have no temp sender in 

 there, but it must be just about the lowest temp location available FWF." 


	


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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:31 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

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		  Ron,



Front face of the passenger foot well.



Bob

 

On Wednesday, February 17, 2010, at 10:05AM, <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  	
  Hi Kevin

You by chance have a pic? I have yet to install my intercooler or cowl so having a bit of a hard time figuring location you are referring? or a slight different description?
	


Thx.

Ron Parigoris

 

"> I too have the 914 with intercooler mounted on top of what I referred to 

 	  Quote: 	
		   as the intake plenum, where the air filter is fed by a NACA vent in the 

 cowl, all sealed up with baffle material. I have no temp sender in 

 there, but it must be just about the lowest temp location available FWF."    	  Quote:

rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hi Ron,



Here's a pretty good pic of where Kevin is talking about:



http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=64421



Mounted there on the aluminum face that's the front of the passenger wheel well.  Right there about where the CD6 is printed upside-down.



Bob Borger



 

On Wednesday, February 17, 2010, at 10:05AM, <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  	
  Hi Kevin

You by chance have a pic? I have yet to install my intercooler or cowl so having a bit of a hard time figuring location you are referring? or a slight different description?
	


Thx.

Ron Parigoris

 

"> I too have the 914 with intercooler mounted on top of what I referred to 

 	  Quote: 	
		   as the intake plenum, where the air filter is fed by a NACA vent in the 

 cowl, all sealed up with baffle material. I have no temp sender in 

 there, but it must be just about the lowest temp location available FWF."    	  Quote:

pestar

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

I did not even mount mine, threw it out. I use a Schicke GR6 from Germany specifically designed as a replacement for the Ducatti regulator.  See http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm



If I remember correctly price about Euro95.



Regards Peter

Peter Armstrong

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lucien

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

 	  pestar wrote: 	
		  I did not even mount mine, threw it out. I use a Schicke GR6 from Germany specifically designed as a replacement for the Ducatti regulator.  See http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm



If I remember correctly price about Euro95.



Regards Peter

Peter Armstrong

Auckland, New Zealand 	




Speaking of the Shicke regulator, if anyone runs across a US distributor for these (or some other way of getting hold of these without paying an arm and a leg), please post something to the list. 

I'd love to replace my ducati when it burns out again with one of these.



Thanks,

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

Lucien,



Here is a link to an English translation (Google) of Schicke's home page.



http://tinyurl.com/y9ac4an



Notice near the bottom it says



"An export of the devices in the United States of America without the written consent of Send electronic not allowed! "

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lucien

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:46 am Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

 	  Thom Riddle wrote: 	
		  Lucien,



Here is a link to an English translation (Google) of Schicke's home page.



http://tinyurl.com/y9ac4an



Notice near the bottom it says



"An export of the devices in the United States of America without the written consent of Send electronic not allowed! " 	




Well, so much for that.... Oh well.  

Anyone know of any other acceptable substitutes on the ducati (that last more than 100-200 hours)?

I thought about just a basic motorcycle regulator, but those are generally just as expensive and burn up at about the same rates....



LS

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

Lucien,



I've owned three 912 powered airplanes and never had a Ducati regulator fail. But I never went in for a lot of high electrical load devices either. I never had nor wanted a glass cockpit but two of my airplanes had transponders, strobe lights. One of them had transponder, strobes and landing lights. That one had over 700 hours on original regulator when we sold the airplane.

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lucien

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:17 am Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

 	  Thom Riddle wrote: 	
		  Lucien,



I've owned three 912 powered airplanes and never had a Ducati regulator fail. But I never went in for a lot of high electrical load devices either. I never had nor wanted a glass cockpit but two of my airplanes had transponders, strobe lights. One of them had transponder, strobes and landing lights. That one had over 700 hours on original regulator when we sold the airplane. 	




Well I'm on the 3rd one in this plane already and am, er, eagerly awaiting it to burn out so I can go out and buy another one .



What seems to be the case is the failure rate really gets high when it gets a load put on it. The last one lasted a iittle under 100 hours, but I wasn't keeping the battery relentlessly topped off at all times with a battery charger. Also, I had my old incandescent nav lights at the time, those plus the strobe would always cause it to run behind a bit. 

So it was always having to charge the battery a little bit during the day when the lights were off or having an extra load on it in the evenings.



The new one is around 50 hours so far and is still working, but again because I do all this extra stuff to keep it from having to actually have a load on it. 



If it does have to charge the battery or power lights, etc., it's hot to the touch when I get back to the hangar (until it burns out that is)......



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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:49 am Post subject: Re: What is the max temp for Ducati regulator?

I've been flying a Allegro 2007 with a 912ul. Dynon glass panels both sides, strobes, fuel pump, landing lights, etc. It has 250 hours on it and it's in need of it's third regulator. Regulator is mounted on the hot side of the firewall.

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