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lcottrell

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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: test flight with the spot.

Today I could find no reason to not fly. Weather was 50  degrees on the ground, wind was not blowing on the ground as well. I  did have a 10 mile an hour tail wind on the way out once I got out of the hill  shadow.

  

  

 Things have been pretty  quiet, the weather has been a bit too unsettled to do much more than catch up on  my reading. Now my eye strain is bad enough to make an effort to get out and do  something, anything!



I have always been very aware of the worry that  Karen goes through every time that I go flying by myself. The country here is  the least populated in all of Oregon, I am sure that it ranks up there with some  other parts of the US as well. I installed a base aircraft radio to help and  while the range is as much as 60 miles it requires one to be pretty high to  accomplish that kind of range. I prefer to be within a hundred feet of the  ground, so it means that if I decided to do something other than what I told her  before leaving, I need to climb up high enough to talk to her. Wastes gas  something awful.



I bought a Spot Messenger last year, but I did not get  the tracking feature. Too cheap! It seemed to work somewhat, but the lack of a  permanent placement in the plane caused it to be of limited use. I decided to  purchase the tracking feature this year. I could say that it was for Karen, but  some of the places that I go are really hard to get there from here, and I don't  like walking all that much. We will just say that it seems like a good deal for  both of us.



There is a "Gap Seal" between the wings of "Dart" that is  made of Lexan, so I made a holder that would keep its antenna pointed to the  sky. It worked sitting in front of the hanger, but it needed a flight to really  give it a good test.

 

 

Today the weather seemed to invite flying so  I rolled her out, dressed warm and took off for Arock. It was apparent that the  wind was blowing at about 10 MPH from the West when I got up out of the wind  shadow that shades the airstrip. The temps at 5000 feet was 40 degrees, so I  wasn't sorry that I had put on my warm clothes. The plane and engine preformed  flawlessly although I will put some tape on the oil cooler the next time I fly.  The oil temps never got over 130 degrees, a bit cool for proper operation. I  stayed at 1000 feet agl and checked some of the ponds and rabbit spots that we  hunted Jessie and Peg (the hawk and falcon) on this fall.

 



 

In all the trip took 74 minutes and I burned 3.5  gallons of gas. I covered a bit more than 60 miles and even though I was down to  50 MPH coming back, I still averaged 60 MPH.

 

 



 

The wind was right for the short cross wind strip  and I had drug it and rolled it, so I was interested in how it would feel. My  landings are sometimes a thing of wonder. (wonder how anyone who has the hours  that I have, can land so crappy. ) Except the first ones after a long lay off.  My Golf games are like that too, the longer I play or fly the worse my game and  the landing get. I can't explain it, unless I just get careless. Any way I  started letting down about a mile from the strip, did just like my instructor  had told me so many times and depending on my position either gave it gas, or  allowed it to bleed off altitude, and made one of those landings that no one  ever sees, a perfect three point landing with so little roll out that I had to  give it gas to get to the turn off to the hanger. It is only 320 feet from the  fence to the hanger. Oh well, someday I will be able to do that every time.  Yeah, right!



I was pleased with the results of the test, I had nine  tracking points, that should make life or life flight easier.



 

http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0siAoTNYTZD6KPbiDncNLfKZruRqx5nUO

  

 This is the link to  the shared page, I prefer to use the hybrid map since it shows the sat picture  and roads as well.

  

 Larry C,Oregon  Firestar II 



  

  

  

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:29 pm Post subject: test flight with the spot.

Larry,

  

   What did that little SPOT critter set you back?  How much does the service run you, and what do you get for your money?

  

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lcottrell

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: test flight with the spot.

Goggle "Spot" and it will take you to their home  page. There was even an article in AOPA's mag this month. I think I paid $97  bucks for the main service and 48 for the tracking. What the hell, its only  money, but it does keep the little lady happier, and will me as well if I ever  manage to ball things up. I do not fly what is considered safe as there are  generally no roads where I want to go. Most of the GA guys would crap their  pants in the places where the little Firestar takes me. I have done all that I  can to stack the odds on my side, and the spot is one way to do  that.

  

 If you go to the link on the previous email you can  see the track that I flew. If you click on one of the little balloons you will  have the Lat and Long of the area that I was when the spot transmitted. At my  speed it narrows the search area to about 6 miles if I should crash 9 minutes  from the last send. It sends every 10 minutes. It will allow you to send an  "OK", a request for "help" (this one is a non panic request) and a "911" as well  as the tracking feature. You can specify who gets any of the three messages. It  is about the cheapest insurance available for me. A flight plan for me to tool  around the area is not feasible.

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

Hi mike,

 For what it worth .I got a spot for xmas. when I went on line to activate it , the factory told me to return it, that they had some problems and that at some unspecified time they would 

send me a replacement. Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .





Frank Goodnight

Firestar 2

Brownsville , TX



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   What did that little SPOT critter set you back?  How much does the service run you, and what do you get for your money?

  

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

> Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .

 >Frank Goodnight

 >Firestar 2

 >Brownsville , TX

 



 



 Larry,

    Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot.  This little gadget ought to be required equipment for people that fly in not-so-distant terrain, not to mention the boonies!!  The fact that your rescue team can come directly to where you are (or at least close to where you are) would be a huge safety factor, especially if a guy was injured!!   I'll definitely get one, when the time is right.

  

   (On a side note;  many of you may recall there were 3 hikers that went missing, around Christmas, on some Oregon mountain.  I think they found one of them after a couple of days looking.  He was dead.  They looked for a few more days for the other two.  As far as I know, they never found the other two.  They are dead, too.

   In this day and age of technology, it seems utter nonsense to not have this kind of locater beacon.  You save hundreds of hours of people looking for you.  You allow your loved ones to know exactly where you are....and in what condition you're in.  You may, in fact, save your own life, by being found relatively quickly.

   Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their success at locating you has been reported as low. 

   For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea.  Even if the only reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.

   I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)

  

 Frank,

   I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing.  I hope they get it back to you soon.  I would imagine it will be a year or so before I'm in the market for a Spot.  Hopefully they will get the bugs out it by then.

  

   Happy Valentine's Day to all.  Give your loved ones a squeeze.

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

plus ....there is a big rescue bill awaiting  if one lives...   Herb 

 At 08:46 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:

 [quote]> Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .

 >Frank Goodnight

 >Firestar 2

 >Brownsville , TX

 Larry,

    Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot.  This little gadget ought to be required equipment for people that fly in not-so-distant terrain, not to mention the boonies!!  The fact that your rescue team can come directly to where you are (or at least close to where you are) would be a huge safety factor, especially if a guy was injured!!   I'll definitely get one, when the time is right.

   (On a side note;  many of you may recall there were 3 hikers that went missing, around Christmas, on some Oregon mountain.  I think they found one of them after a couple of days looking.  He was dead.  They looked for a few more days for the other two.  As far as I know, they never found the other two.  They are dead, too.

   In this day and age of technology, it seems utter nonsense to not have this kind of locater beacon.  You save hundreds of hours of people looking for you.  You allow your loved ones to know exactly where you are....and in what condition you're in.  You may, in fact, save your own life, by being found relatively quickly.

   Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their success at locating you has been reported as low. 

   For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea.  Even if the only reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.

   I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)

 Frank,

   I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing.  I hope they get it back to you soon.  I would imagine it will be a year or so before I'm in the market for a Spot.  Hopefully they will get the bugs out it by then.

   Happy Valentine's Day to all.  Give your loved ones a squeeze.

 Mike Welch

 MkIII

 central Missouri

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

Good point, but frankly: bill, schmill! Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore, out of VHF range. Can  always raise an  airliner 5-6 miles up, on the airline freq's.  

My feeling is, if I'm  alive, they  can  jail me. If dead, no way. I'd prefer alive & in jail.

SPOT sounds like the best of  both worlds.

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On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Herb wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   plus ....there is a big rescue bill awaiting  if one lives...   Herb 

 At 08:46 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  > Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .

 >Frank Goodnight

 >Firestar 2

 >Brownsville , TX

 Larry,

    Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot.  This little gadget ought to be required equipment for people that fly in not-so-distant terrain, not to mention the boonies!!  The fact that your rescue team can come directly to where you are (or at least close to where you are) would be a huge safety factor, especially if a guy was injured!!   I'll definitely get one, when the time is right.

   (On a side note;  many of you may recall there were 3 hikers that went missing, around Christmas, on some Oregon mountain.  I think they found one of them after a couple of days looking.  He was dead.  They looked for a few more days for the other two.  As far as I know, they never found the other two.  They are dead, too.

   In this day and age of technology, it seems utter nonsense to not have this kind of locater beacon.  You save hundreds of hours of people looking for you.  You allow your loved ones to know exactly where you are....and in what condition you're in.  You may, in fact, save your own life, by being found relatively quickly.

   Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their success at locating you has been reported as low. 

   For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea.  Even if the only reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.

   I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)

 Frank,

   I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing.  I hope they get it back to you soon.  I would imagine it will be a year or so before I'm in the market for a Spot.  Hopefully they will get the bugs out it by then.

   Happy Valentine's Day to all.  Give your loved ones a squeeze.

 Mike Welch

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

A large rescue bill...should be a behavior modifier!!  Guess the estate can pay it...??     Herb 

 At 09:11 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:

 [quote]Good point, but frankly: bill, schmill! 

 Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore, out of VHF range. Can  always raise an  airliner 5-6 miles up, on the airline freq's.  

 My feeling is, if I'm  alive, they  can  jail me. If dead, no way. I'd prefer alive & in jail.

 SPOT sounds like the best of  both worlds.

 Russ K

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 On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Herb wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  plus ....there is a big rescue bill awaiting  if one lives...   Herb 

 At 08:46 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  > Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .

 >Frank Goodnight

 >Firestar 2

 >Brownsville , TX

 Larry,

    Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot.  This little gadget ought to be required equipment for people that fly in not-so-distant terrain, not to mention the boonies!!  The fact that your rescue team can come directly to where you are (or at least close to where you are) would be a huge safety factor, especially if a guy was injured!!   I'll definitely get one, when the time is right.

   (On a side note;  many of you may recall there were 3 hikers that went missing, around Christmas, on some Oregon mountain.  I think they found one of them after a couple of days looking.  He was dead.  They looked for a few more days for the other two.  As far as I know, they never found the other two.  They are dead, too.

   In this day and age of technology, it seems utter nonsense to not have this kind of locater beacon.  You save hundreds of hours of people looking for you.  You allow your loved ones to know exactly where you are....and in what condition you're in.  You may, in fact, save your own life, by being found relatively quickly.

   Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their success at locating you has been reported as low. 

   For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea.  Even if the only reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.

   I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)

 Frank,

   I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing.  I hope they get it back to you soon.  I would imagine it will be a year or so before I'm in the market for a Spot.  Hopefully they will get the bugs out it by then.

   Happy Valentine's Day to all.  Give your loved ones a squeeze.

 Mike Welch

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

Mike:

  

 I have this Personal Locator Beacon:

  

 http://www.acrelectronics.com/microfix/microfix.htm

  

 I fly with it, and also use it when I am riding my  dirt bike, ATV, or mountain bike.

  

 Initial purchase is much more than the SPOt, but a  one time purchase and no annual fees.

  

 The PLB works with NOAA SARSAT:

  

 http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/

  

 john hauck

 mkIII

 woodville, florida

  

  

  

  

 [quote]      Although ELT's are required in    Experimental aircraft, their success at locating you has been reported as    low. 

  For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea.  Even if    the only reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.

  I'd bet those    three hikers wish they had a Spot.)

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: Re: test flight with the spot.

Per Russ

...Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore, out of VHF range....



I never heard that one before. What makes carrying an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore "illegal"?

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

If you are well enough offshore NOTHING is illegal.

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 Per Russ

 ...Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore, out of VHF range....

 

 I never heard that one before. What makes carrying an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore "illegal"?

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

>I have this Personal Locator Beacon:

 >john hauck

 >mkIII

 >woodville, florida

  

 John,

  

   I DO like not having an annual fee.  I'd prefer a one-time purchase.  How much did your ELB unit cost?

  

   I didn't realize there were more than one brand of these ELBs.  Although I wouldn't hesitate to get the Spot brand, if that was all that was out there, the one-time purchase price of this model would likely push me in this one's direction.

  

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: Re: test flight with the spot.

FWIW,



I was wondering about location accuracy on these 406 PLBs and found the following excerpt on the NOAA.gov site:



....or a standard 406 MHz PLB the location accuracy is around two to three miles. Generally, this equates to a search time of around an hour for a search team on scene â€” depending on the terrain. Some beacons, however, take advantage of GPS technology and are able to generate a position with even greater accuracy. Those PLBs which have GPS receivers, attached either internally or externally, are able to produce a position smaller than a football field. For SAR teams, that means they can go directly to your location without having to conduct much of a search. With time always the critical element in a distress case, this can sometimes mean the difference between life and death...



Looks to me like the more expensive ones with an internal GPS would be worth the price if you actually come to need one at all.

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

I have a PLB (personal locator beacon with internal  GPS), not an ELB.

  

 The urls I included with my last msg will  give you all you need to know about PLBs, cost, capability, etc.

  

 john hauck

 mkIII

 Woodville, FL

  

  

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

Those PLBs which have GPS receivers, attached either internally or 

externally, are able to produce a position smaller than a football field. 

For SAR teams, that means they can go directly to your location without 

having to conduct much of a search. With time always the critical element in 

a distress case, this can sometimes mean the difference between life and 

death...

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 Looks to me like the more expensive ones with an internal GPS would be 

 worth the price if you actually come to need one at all.



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Thom R/Gang:



That is why I opted for a PLB with internal GPS.  Spot was not available 

when I bought my ACR PLB.  Not sure if I would have gone with the SPOT or 

not, had it been available.  I think I like the capability of the PLB and 

the NOAA system better.



100 meters is worse case.  The grid coordinates the PLB transmits to NOAA 

SARSAT will be typical of what your nav gps probable error is, which in my 

case, down to a couple two or three meters..



Time will probably be critical in most rescues.



john hauck

mkIII

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: test flight with the spot.

While I agree totally with all that is said about the  PLB's, the reason that I have the spot, is not so much for precise location of a  911 call for help, although the spot will do that as well. My main requirement  of the spot is the fact that I really do not have to hit a button, or for that  matter be physically able to hit a button for it to keep accurate locations of  where I am and have been. If you are capable of initiating a 911 call it will be  within 20 to 50 feet of your actual location, if not then depending on how long  into your flight from the last check in, with the Firestar, a mile each minute  up to the 10 minutes between check in's should enable a quick and efficient  search depending of course on terrain.

  

 Now, a disclaimer for Spot. The web site and tools that  are installed in it seem to my thoughts to be a royal pain in the ass, however  all that is not enough to overcome the usefulness that the spot can  deliver.

  

 There are many ways to safeguard your flights and safety,  from the way that your plane is set up for the terrain that one flies. ( tires,  steel gear legs, survival items in the plane, etc. ) To the way that you  fly. I personally do not choose to fly as though my plane is trying to kill me.  I know full well that if that does happen it will be because I was not up to  surviving due to carelessness or inattention. Yeah, crap happens all the time,  some of it is more serious than others, and I cannot deny that I can  occasionally be dumb enough to soil my shorts after the excitement has cooled  down, but it isn't going to rule my life or the things that I like to do. I  accept the full responsibility for the things that I do and am fully aware that  someday I may not be up to the task. So be it! That attitude will not stop  me from doing all I can to ensure that I die peacefully of old, satisfied  age.

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: test flight with the spot.

I echo Larry C's sentiments exactly.

  

 If I didn't feel comfortable flying the way I do, I would  spend my old age typing and sharing stuff I heard from others and had never  experienced and enjoyed myself.

  

 Aviation has always been exciting to me, since the day I  soloed a TH-55 at Fort Wolters, TX, at the ripe old age of 29.  That was  Sep 1968.  I was a late bloomer, but I have made up for it in my senior  years.  If I can not keep aviation exciting, I have a lot of other things  to do I enjoy just as much and produce just as much adrenalin as the little  Kolb.  All of these activities are conducive to having a PLB to save my  bacon if necessary.

  

 PLB is a lot like a parachute.  When you need it, it  is worth every penny you spent for it.

  

 john hauck

 mkIII

 Woodville, Florida

  

  

  

  

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   There are many ways to safeguard your flights and    safety, from the way that your plane is set up for the terrain that one flies.    ( tires, steel gear legs, survival items in the plane, etc. ) To the way    that you fly. I personally do not choose to fly as though my plane is trying    to kill me. I know full well that if that does happen it will be because I was    not up to surviving due to carelessness or inattention. Yeah, crap happens all    the time, some of it is more serious than others, and I cannot deny that I can    occasionally be dumb enough to soil my shorts after the excitement has cooled    down, but it isn't going to rule my life or the things that I like to do. I    accept the full responsibility for the things that I do and am fully aware    that someday I may not be up to the task. So be it! That attitude will    not stop me from doing all I can to ensure that I die peacefully of old,    satisfied age.

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