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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

 
 
Some good advice would be appreciated.
 
A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.
 
This is quite an large heavy item. 
 
Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.
 
People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?
 
I am seriously thinking of returning this item.
 
Thanks,
 
JOhn
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

I installed the Piper style plug on my baggage bulkhead and also carry the plug in unit that the jumper cables will attach to. It's really handy when I am using the avionices in the hangar and don't want to run the battedry down but I only have needed a jumpstart when I left the master on. It beats having to remove the baggage bulkhead to access the battery. (I'm hoping that whoever gives me a jump start will have jumper cables also.)
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Some good advice would be appreciated.
A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.
This is quite an large heavy item.
Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.
People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?
I am seriously thinking of returning this item.
Thanks,
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

These days of electric panels, one may be assuming a significant risk taking off after jumping a dead battery.

Considering the availability of batteries like Odyssey (they hold 90% of their charge after sitting for 6 months), the only way to get a dead battery is to leave something on or a problem with the charging system. Either way, the battery should be considered damaged until you can do a recovery and subsequent test discharge, or better yet just replace it.

The bottom line (my opinion), jumping dead batteries went out with battery boxes to collect acid overflows. Send the extra weight back for a refund.

Carl Froehlich (RV-8A flying with two Odyssey PC-625s and all electric panel)
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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:17 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

John you may have seen my set up on the 8A (under development). Yes heavy (not sure we have the same one as mine can’t be 1.5 lbs.), yes kind of ugly. My only answer is that when you need one you need one. With modern EFIS you will find yourself plugged in a heck of a lot more than you may think. The system update for my G900x takes about 30 minutes. Initial programming could be hours. No reason you can’t simplify with basic leads near the batteries but the plugs are easier to use and get to when loaded (the baggage area loaded, not when you are loaded).

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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

Depends on how frequently you leave a light or radio on overnight……..

Realistically, you shouldn’t need it too often. With that said, the one time I needed it on my Cherokee, it was rather convenient to jump start with my car. Having to pull a battery is a real PITA.

Another use is to plug in ground power to practice with you glass panels and avionics in the hangar.

bob

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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

It depends on how often you leave the master switch on or have trouble getting the engine to start. In the first 115 hours in my plane, I have not needed one. I went the simple route. I got a small trickle charger and connected the provided cord, with plug, to the battery. I run the cord through the rear shoulder harness cable slot (I have inertial reels and do not use the cables). Whenever I have the master switch on for an extended period of time, I plug in the charger.

Simple, yet effective. When I go on long trips, I bring the charger with me just in case. Could not jump the airplane, but could recharge the battery.

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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:35 am    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

get a battery tender for aircraft- a few wires and a place to put the female connection in the rear and you're set. Wont help for jump starting but it does recharge so with patience it would get the battery back to charges after a while.
Pascal


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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.
True ..... but how much did that dinner last night weigh? Or how heavy is your 'tool box'? I agree that every ounce adds up.
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Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?
That depends on how often you leave something on, or how old your battery is (usually coupled with cold weather).
Or anything else unusual.
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I am seriously thinking of returning this item.
I'm keeping mine. I've had a couple of missed flights ..... usually due to aged batteries. They test good at annual, but don't last the year or a hard start.
Linn

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

Yeah they weigh a lot. That being said if you ever find yourself dead on the ramp, you will be most happy you installed one. It is pretty much the standard receptacle that just about any FBO can jump. I Installed mine next to the battery tray behind the aft baggage bulkhead with a small access door.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

John,

Due to my own negligence, I had to have a jumpstart on the first engine run! It's a long story, but the bottom line is, it was very nice to have the ability. Lots of pilots would be reluctant to go fly an airplane that required a jumpstart because the battery was dead for some unknown reason. For me, that would be a large red flag. However, the real value for me is that I can hook up power in the hangar and play with avionics as long as I want. I use this function probably once a week. Every time I update databases, preloading flight plans, any maintenance where I want to operate flaps, lights, etc. It is heavy (it sounds like I have the same one you bought), but I would hate to be without it.
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On Mar 15, 2010, at 5:12 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:


Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

I will replace battery every 5 yrs like I do on my personal and work vehicles. Use the old batteries in not so important places like the lawn mower, tractor, hangar 12v power supply(always connected to battery tender). Never had to have a jump on any primary vehicles. Secondary vehicles yes but they are easy to jump and then go to auto parts place and get another. I will install "Master On" indicator. I will install one fused wire to "Bat" terminal on master relay with easily accessible jack and another fused wire to opposite terminal for external power supply. Battery master switch/relay will not have to be energized consuming power. No external power relay, no external power master switch, no extra wires to panel, no heavy wires or external power connectors needed, no access cover needed. Saves money, 3+ lbs of weight, time. I may regret it one of these days though...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is if you have anything that has a keep alive it can drain your battery over time. Dynon’s stuff was famous for this for a while, probably still is. But anything that requires a trickle for keeping state or batteries charged will drain your mains after a while. Even with the AGM’s that don’t lose charge when sitting there, I would recommend you put a maintainer on your battery if you let it sit for any extended period.

I also have dual 680’s and they are both on separate contactors with the battery bus off of just one. If one battery is dead I can isolate it for starting and then bring it back online to charge. I also have each LSE III ignition independently wired to each battery which further allows me to isolate them from the rest of the system by shutting off a battery contactor should the need arise. If anything in the electrical system is a problem that requires me to kill the master, I don’t have to worry about taking out the ignition and each has an independent power supply at that point. Both of my AFS, my Dynon backup, and my 496 all have internal batteries. Much like a vacuum/mag system I can kill my power and still keep going. Now ghosts in the machine are a whole different potential problem Smile

Michael

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get a battery tender for aircraft- a few wires and a place to put the female connection in the rear and you're set. Wont help for jump starting but it does recharge so with patience it would get the battery back to charges after a while.

Pascal



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Subject: Jumper plug and recepticle.







Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

Hey John,
Did you go with the Piper plug? I wonder if the Cessna would be lighter?

Phil



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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

I installed a cessna receptacle aft of baggage bulkhead and use a a/c spruce plug. I have used it twice when trouble with hot start. Everyone carries jumper cables in their truck. I never worry about a start. That is worts alot to me. Robert

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Hey John,
Did you go with the Piper plug? I wonder if the Cessna would be lighter?

Phil



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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:08 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

Phil, I think you're right. It's lighter, but has a larger footprint and needs a separate door, IIRC.
The piper just needs a round hole Vs. the oval hole for Cessna ...... and the Piper has it's own door.
Linn

Perry, Phil wrote: [quote] <![endif]--> <![endif]-->
Hey John,
Did you go with the Piper plug? I wonder if the Cessna would be lighter?

Phil



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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:12 PM
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Some good advice would be appreciated.

A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.

This is quite an large heavy item.

Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.

People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?

I am seriously thinking of returning this item.

Thanks,

JOhn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

I was thinking about putting it into the baggage bulkhead and located just in front of the baggage door. This way it would be out of the weather, but still accessible via the baggage door.

My plan may be flawed though. The further you get into the project, the more you realize that all that thinking you did previously really doesn't matter. Smile

Phil

From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tue Mar 16 18:38:49 2010
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle.
Phil, I think you're right.  It's lighter, but has a larger footprint and needs a separate door, IIRC.
The piper just needs a round hole Vs. the oval hole for Cessna ...... and the Piper has it's own door.
Linn

Perry, Phil wrote: [quote] <![endif]--> <![endif]-->
Hey John,
Did you go with the Piper plug?  I wonder if the Cessna would be lighter?
 
Phil
 
 
 
From: John Gonzalez [mailto:indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com (indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com)]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:12 PM
To: RV 10 group
Subject: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle.


 
 
 
Some good advice would be appreciated.
 
A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug.
 
This is quite an large heavy item. 
 
Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day.
 
People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge?
 
I am seriously thinking of returning this item.
 
Thanks,
 
JOhn
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. Reply with quote

[quote="Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com"]I was thinking about putting it into the baggage bulkhead and located just in front of the baggage door. This way it would be out of the weather, but still accessible via the baggage door.

My plan may be flawed though. The further you get into the project, the more you realize that all that thinking you did previously really doesn't matter. Smile

Phil

Phil, that is where I located mine and I am very happy with it in that position. I have an opening for it in my aft baggage bulkhead and in the upholstery panel. It is covered by a small rectangular cover that velcros in position. Abby at Flightline Interiors did a nice job on it. I also made a plug out of a block of phenolic that stays "plugged in" when not in use to protect the pins. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I would not want to be without it.


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